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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Jul 25, 2018 15:26:29 GMT -5
The only change he made that I actually thought was somewhat for the better was turning Dr. Manhattan into the villain to unite the US and the USSR instead of a giant squid, which would've looked corny as hell on the big screen. And yes, BvS is a piece of shit. I will fully disagree with this. 1. Making it to Dr. Manhattan just flat out doesn't work. The world doesn't see him as a third party enemy... Doc IS AMERICA. He was their attack dog... no one would feel bad that their attack dog bit them back... especially not Soviet Russia who were looking for a reason to launch nukes in teh story. 2. it not being a squid leaves all manner of dangling plot threads that don't make any sense... because literally everything Veidt does leads to the alien. as for "The squid would look stupid." Well then make it literally anything else. The fact it was a squid wasn't the point so Go into the creature shop and make something grotesque. The point was it was a horrifying alien monstrosity was... something with no ties to any country or known entity. Doc IS America, and has been since he helped win the Vietnam War.
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Post by YAKMAN is ICHIBAN on Jul 25, 2018 15:28:38 GMT -5
The only change he made that I actually thought was somewhat for the better was turning Dr. Manhattan into the villain to unite the US and the USSR instead of a giant squid, which would've looked corny as hell on the big screen. And yes, BvS is a piece of shit. I will fully disagree with this. 1. Making it to Dr. Manhattan just flat out doesn't work. The world doesn't see him as a third party enemy... Doc IS AMERICA. He was their attack dog... no one would feel bad that their attack dog bit them back... especially not Soviet Russia who were looking for a reason to launch nukes in teh story. 2. it not being a squid leaves all manner of dangling plot threads that don't make any sense... because literally everything Veidt does leads to the alien. as for "The squid would look stupid." Well then make it literally anything else. The fact it was a squid wasn't the point so Go into the creature shop and make something grotesque. The point was it was a horrifying alien monstrosity was... something with no ties to any country or known entity. Doc IS America, and has been since he helped win the Vietnam War. I was okay with that change even if it didn't really make sense. The worse crime was the casting of Veidt. He screamed villain from the moment he appeared.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Jul 25, 2018 15:29:47 GMT -5
Sucker Punch was where the realisation hit for a lot of people that Snyder's wheelhouse is in adapting other works, not creating his own. As much hate as BVS gets, Sucker Punch is by far his worst movie, and of the eight movies he's made so far it remains the only one not adapted from an existing property.
I don't think he's a hack, but he Is more or less a glorified cover band.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Jul 25, 2018 15:34:16 GMT -5
I like Suckerpunch for what it is, which is just a collection of pretty cool music videos.
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Post by darbus alan on Jul 25, 2018 15:35:12 GMT -5
Oh yeah, Sucker Punch was terrible, though at least cosplayers are thankful for its costume design?
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Jul 25, 2018 15:35:36 GMT -5
Sucker Punch was where the realisation hit for a lot of people that Snyder's wheelhouse is in adapting other works, not creating his own. As much hate as BVS gets, Sucker Punch is by far his worst movie, and of the eight movies he's made so far it remains the only one not adapted from an existing property. I don't think he's a hack, but he Is more or less a glorified cover band. I mean, what else would he have to do in order to be considered a hack? He's no good at anything other than adapting other media, and he always botched those by missing the point of the original source.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Jul 25, 2018 15:37:43 GMT -5
Sucker Punch was where the realisation hit for a lot of people that Snyder's wheelhouse is in adapting other works, not creating his own. As much hate as BVS gets, Sucker Punch is by far his worst movie, and of the eight movies he's made so far it remains the only one not adapted from an existing property. I don't think he's a hack, but he Is more or less a glorified cover band. I mean, what else would he have to do in order to be considered a hack? He's no good at anything other than adapting other media, and he always botched those by missing the point of the original source. He does have a good eye for visuals, though he is way too fond of desaturising everything within an inch of its life. Someone like Uwe Boll doesn't even have that.
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Post by mcmahonfan85 on Jul 25, 2018 17:29:20 GMT -5
part of the Snyder Cut has been release...well, a Fan-Made Snyder Cut:
this is astonishing for a few reasons. first off, how the hell is it the Snyder Cut when its cut by a fan? unless they guy's name is Joe Snyder, its not a "Snyder Cut"
and secondly, this is supposed to be "Zack Snyder's original vision" for Justice League, but scene was written and directed by Joss Whedon. so unless Zack Snyder's original vision for Justice League was him getting fired and replaced by Joss Whedon, i don't the product fits what was advertised
and the less said about Snyder Christ, the better
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Post by darbus alan on Jul 25, 2018 18:59:28 GMT -5
I mean, what else would he have to do in order to be considered a hack? He's no good at anything other than adapting other media, and he always botched those by missing the point of the original source. He does have a good eye for visuals, though he is way too fond of desaturising everything within an inch of its life. Someone like Uwe Boll doesn't even have that. There are different levels of hackery, though I think Snyder is more of a fraud than a hack. But yeah, compared to Uwe Boll he's Scorsese.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Jul 25, 2018 19:04:06 GMT -5
part of the Snyder Cut has been release...well, a Fan-Made Snyder Cut: this is astonishing for a few reasons. first off, how the hell is it the Snyder Cut when its cut by a fan? unless they guy's name is Joe Snyder, its not a "Snyder Cut" and secondly, this is supposed to be "Zack Snyder's original vision" for Justice League, but scene was written and directed by Joss Whedon. so unless Zack Snyder's original vision for Justice League was him getting fired and replaced by Joss Whedon, i don't the product fits what was advertised and the less said about Snyder Christ, the better You're trying to apply logic to people who don't know the meaning of the word. I've spent the last couple of nights discussing the merits of the Snyder Cut with a few of the more passionate members of the "movement", and it went pretty much as follows: Them:178,000 people want the Snyder Cut, Warner Bros. are losing money by not giving us what we want. Me:If all 178,000 people buy the Snyder Cut at, say, $25 each, that's less than $4.5 million in sales, of which Warner Bros. receive less than half. That won't even cover the cost of finishing up the movie, much less the making and distribution of physical copies. For Warner Bros. to seriously consider a Snyder Cut you'd need about 10-20 million people demanding it, something they could take to the money people and say "We could really make a profit on this." Them:Okay, so maybe Warner Bros. won't make any money back, but they'll receive redemption from the fanbase as they don't want us to boycott future movies. Plus Zack Snyder has a legal right according to the DGA to demand a Director's Cut. Me:He does, but Warner Bros. are under no obligation to release it or even spend money on the finishing of his version. Final Cut almost always rests with the studio, unless the director has some major stroke, like Spielberg or Scorsese. Them:But it is finished! Look at the trailers, look at the VFX company's leaked footage, Jay Olivera worked on the storyboards for the movie for six weeks and he says it's finished! Me:The trailers aren't the finished product. The VFX and CGi are almost always replaced in the final movie to bring them up to cinema quality. Also, Jay Olivera worked on the movie for six weeks, the production under Snyder ran from January 2016 until May 2017, and you're taking the word of a guy who was there for less than 10% of the time? Them:But Warner Bros. lied to us! They promised us the version of the movie seen in the trailers and we didn't get it. Me:Trailers had to go out, and they had to make do with what they had at the time. Besides, trailers do that all the time. Look up "Missing Trailer Scene" on TVTropes sometime. Warner Bros. declared Snyder's first cut "unwatchable" but they didn't have the option of simply not marketing it. Warner Bros. ordered a specific type of movie, and Snyder didn't deliver. Them:Did they order a terrible villain, diminishing character arcs, and sexist jokes? One person said it was unwatchable, and we don't know the context of that. Me:The director of Sucker Punch and the guy who reduced Lois Lane's role in BVS to a damsel in distress who needed to be saved on three separate occasions by Superman isn't exactly the guy I would choose to defend by bringing up sexism. And do you really need context when Snyder's employers (two of them, actually) consider the movie he submitted to be unwatchable? Them:Is the best thing you have to do tonight is trolling some people who just want to see a movie. I'm really sorry for you, man. Let people be happy. Blocked.
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Post by Magnus the Magnificent on Jul 25, 2018 19:24:08 GMT -5
Sny-hards are dumb, pure and simple.
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Post by Juice on Jul 25, 2018 20:28:45 GMT -5
Sny-hards are dumb, pure and simple. I quite like him. Outside of suckerpunch ive liked all of his projects.
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Post by The Heartbreak TWERK on Jul 25, 2018 21:41:25 GMT -5
Zack Snyder sucks and so does everything he's done in this universe. He personally assaulted the DC Universe and marred what could've been a fantastic franchise.
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Post by cabbageboy on Jul 25, 2018 22:28:57 GMT -5
What would be embarrassing for Snyder is if Aquaman turned out pretty decent for James Wan. Then the only turkeys in the universe would be the various Snyder helmed productions.
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Post by Mozenrath on Jul 25, 2018 22:31:21 GMT -5
I will fully disagree with this. 1. Making it to Dr. Manhattan just flat out doesn't work. The world doesn't see him as a third party enemy... Doc IS AMERICA. He was their attack dog... no one would feel bad that their attack dog bit them back... especially not Soviet Russia who were looking for a reason to launch nukes in teh story. 2. it not being a squid leaves all manner of dangling plot threads that don't make any sense... because literally everything Veidt does leads to the alien. as for "The squid would look stupid." Well then make it literally anything else. The fact it was a squid wasn't the point so Go into the creature shop and make something grotesque. The point was it was a horrifying alien monstrosity was... something with no ties to any country or known entity. Doc IS America, and has been since he helped win the Vietnam War. I was okay with that change even if it didn't really make sense. The worse crime was the casting of Veidt. He screamed villain from the moment he appeared. I know Jude Law actively campaigned to get cast as him. I wonder if that'd have worked better than Niles Crane-looking dude.
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Post by Mozenrath on Jul 25, 2018 22:33:17 GMT -5
What would be embarrassing for Snyder is if Aquaman turned out pretty decent for James Wan. Then the only turkeys in the universe would be the various Snyder helmed productions. James Wan's a pretty consistently quality director, so it's got a fighting chance, I'd say.
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Post by Larryhausen on Jul 25, 2018 22:46:09 GMT -5
What would be embarrassing for Snyder is if Aquaman turned out pretty decent for James Wan. Then the only turkeys in the universe would be the various Snyder helmed productions. That and Shazam being literally the first DC trailer that had me going "yup! I need to see this!"
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Post by HMARK Center on Jul 25, 2018 23:20:53 GMT -5
To be a slight devils advocate, I'm definitely holding out hope that Aquaman and Shazam don't go "full Marvel" in terms of style and presentation; I'm just so worn out on that formula, and when I first saw Man of Steel I remember thinking "Hey, I'm alright with this, both studios will feel distinct from one another, that's cool"...then the wheels came off with BvS and Suicide Squad, of course, but I liked having that optimism back then.
Wonder Woman managed to avoid fully aping the model, even if it did fall into the "third act feels kind of tacked on and the villain doesn't land as well as he/she/it should" trap at the end, so that gives me some hope.
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Post by Hit Girl on Jul 26, 2018 6:46:23 GMT -5
The only change he made that I actually thought was somewhat for the better was turning Dr. Manhattan into the villain to unite the US and the USSR instead of a giant squid, which would've looked corny as hell on the big screen. And yes, BvS is a piece of shit. I will fully disagree with this. 1. Making it to Dr. Manhattan just flat out doesn't work. The world doesn't see him as a third party enemy... Doc IS AMERICA. He was their attack dog... no one would feel bad that their attack dog bit them back... especially not Soviet Russia who were looking for a reason to launch nukes in teh story. 2. it not being a squid leaves all manner of dangling plot threads that don't make any sense... because literally everything Veidt does leads to the alien. as for "The squid would look stupid." Well then make it literally anything else. The fact it was a squid wasn't the point so Go into the creature shop and make something grotesque. The point was it was a horrifying alien monstrosity was... something with no ties to any country or known entity. Doc IS America, and has been since he helped win the Vietnam War. That makes it more meaningful, that someone America thought was their personal geopolitical weapon, eventually turned on then. The alien aspect was always the weakest element of the graphic novel IMO. Changing it to Manhattan was a huge improvement. Unfortunately it's the only good idea Zack Snyder has ever had.
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Post by Welfare Willis on Jul 26, 2018 7:22:25 GMT -5
What would be embarrassing for Snyder is if Aquaman turned out pretty decent for James Wan. Then the only turkeys in the universe would be the various Snyder helmed productions. Wan has a pretty good track record even if the concept is not super appealing. Not sure how I feel about Mamoa in the role.
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