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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Jul 18, 2023 9:10:02 GMT -5
The first Avengers movie came out a year before Man of Steel but sure. Watchmen came out in 2009, though, which is what Wilson is talking about. Even if what Wilson was trying to say way "Watchmen flopped because it was too dark, which influenced Marvel's decision to go light" he'd still be wrong, as "lighter" comic book movies had been doing very well for decades by then, and the comparatively light and bubbly Iron Man had been a massive success the year before. Yeah, Iron man had way more to do with any marvel success than anything Snyder did. Hell Raimi's spider-man had more to do with their success than anything DC related
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Jul 18, 2023 11:34:32 GMT -5
At the time it felt like Iron Man and the movies that followed were more a reaction to the Fox X-movies, Transformers and other movies where the producers and directors had a 'This is stupid, let's make it cool by changing everything.'
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Post by Feyrhausen on Jul 18, 2023 11:42:02 GMT -5
At the time it felt like Iron Man and the movies that followed were more a reaction to the Fox X-movies, Transformers and other movies where the producers and directors had a 'This is stupid, let's make it cool by changing everything.' Whereas Watchmen was taking its lessons from those movies and their philosophy.
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Jul 18, 2023 12:08:54 GMT -5
At the time it felt like Iron Man and the movies that followed were more a reaction to the Fox X-movies, Transformers and other movies where the producers and directors had a 'This is stupid, let's make it cool by changing everything.' Whereas Watchmen was taking its lessons from those movies and their philosophy. Watchmen was more "let's make a movie that is somehow simultaneously slavishly loyal to the source material but completely misses the point of it"
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Jul 18, 2023 14:36:31 GMT -5
Watchmen was one of the late 90s-2020's films that felt like someone made a music video with a multi million dollar budget and was then given a hundred million more to stretch it out into a film and no supervision to ensure the resulting work was any good.
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Post by Savage Gambino on Jul 18, 2023 15:02:37 GMT -5
Whereas Watchmen was taking its lessons from those movies and their philosophy. Watchmen was more "let's make a movie that is somehow simultaneously slavishly loyal to the source material but completely misses the point of it" What's amazing is, the movie is such a one-to-one adaptation of the comic, Snyder basically had to go out of his way to show he didn't "get" Watchmen: from depicting Silk Spectre I extra male gaze-y (almost through The Comedian's eyes) before The Comedian assaults her, to depicting Comedian's last stand as him going out like a badass, to going out of his way to tone down Rorschach.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Jul 18, 2023 15:04:11 GMT -5
Watchmen was one of the late 90s-2020's films that felt like someone made a music video with a multi million dollar budget and was then given a hundred million more to stretch it out into a film and no supervision to ensure the resulting work was any good. To me, Watchmen is a prime example of throwing good money after bad. It lost about $100 million at the box office, so WB released the Theatrical Cut, the Director's Cut, and the Ultimate Cut to try to make up the loss in the home market. It finally broke even last year, 13 years after release.
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Jul 18, 2023 15:06:20 GMT -5
Watchmen was more "let's make a movie that is somehow simultaneously slavishly loyal to the source material but completely misses the point of it" What's amazing is, the movie is such a one-to-one adaptation of the comic, Snyder basically had to go out of his way to show he didn't "get" Watchmen: from depicting Silk Spectre I extra male gaze-y (almost through The Comedian's eyes) before The Comedian assaults her, to depicting Comedian's last stand as him going out like a badass, to going out of his way to tone down Rorschach. Don't forget making Ozy straight up look like a villain from the start with wearing black, scowling, and having the light German accent. (Oh making him gay for some gay panic there from a throwaway line that was originally just supposed to show the way Rorschach thinks) The entire failure to understand Dr Manhattan is America to literally everyone on the global scale. Using Hallelujah in one of the worst sex scenes ever made.
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Post by darbus alan on Jul 18, 2023 15:07:28 GMT -5
Watchmen isn't really a superhero story. It's a deconstruction of a superhero story.
It had dick to do with the Avengers besides the most superficial, surface similarities.
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Post by BlackoutCreature on Jul 18, 2023 15:51:31 GMT -5
Watchmen was one of the late 90s-2020's films that felt like someone made a music video with a multi million dollar budget and was then given a hundred million more to stretch it out into a film and no supervision to ensure the resulting work was any good. To me, Watchmen is a prime example of throwing good money after bad. It lost about $100 million at the box office, so WB released the Theatrical Cut, the Director's Cut, and the Ultimate Cut to try to make up the loss in the home market. It finally broke even last year, 13 years after release. So what you're saying is that The Flash still has a chance of turning a profit?
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Jul 18, 2023 16:58:06 GMT -5
Watchmen isn't really a superhero story. It's a deconstruction of a superhero story. It had dick to do with the Avengers besides the most superficial, surface similarities. Yeah, it's really less a superhero story than it is a political thriller and character study that uses superheroes as its backdrop.
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Post by Magnus the Magnificent on Jul 18, 2023 18:11:34 GMT -5
Watchmen was one of the late 90s-2020's films that felt like someone made a music video with a multi million dollar budget and was then given a hundred million more to stretch it out into a film and no supervision to ensure the resulting work was any good. To me, Watchmen is a prime example of throwing good money after bad. It lost about $100 million at the box office, so WB released the Theatrical Cut, the Director's Cut, and the Ultimate Cut to try to make up the loss in the home market. It finally broke even last year, 13 years after release. See! Zack-Daddy is a genius and they're playing the long game, and you Disney-fans are tooooooo dumb to see it!! Sny-hards, probably, but heavily censored.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Jul 18, 2023 18:54:44 GMT -5
So what you're saying is that The Flash still has a chance of turning a profit? I'm pretty sure the last surviving member of the cast will die of old age long before The Flash ever turns a profit.
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Post by The Heartbreak TWERK on Jul 18, 2023 19:08:38 GMT -5
Actor Man can say words good.
Maybe not understand words though.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Jul 25, 2023 1:04:28 GMT -5
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Post by Hit Girl on Jul 25, 2023 1:44:46 GMT -5
Don't worry about the Snyder cult. I'm sure they are already burning the Barbie dolls that they either bought, or stole from their little sisters.
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Post by ayumidah on Jul 25, 2023 3:01:53 GMT -5
The Snyder joke made me happy, at least, haha. But as soon as I heard it, I went "oh god there are going to be so many things being said on twitter when I get home"
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Post by Push R Truth on Jul 25, 2023 6:17:58 GMT -5
Barbie crushing the Snyderverse wasn't on my bingo card for 2023
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Post by WoodStoner1 on Jul 25, 2023 6:23:02 GMT -5
The Snyder joke made me happy, at least, haha. But as soon as I heard it, I went "oh god there are going to be so many things being said on twitter when I get home" Makes me glad I am deciding to take a break from Tw....er, X. And kinda reminds me of certain people about certain SNL skits. EDIT: Tw...X? Twix? I think I'll use that as a mock name for that! This joke just makes me more hyped to see the movie.
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Post by BayleyTiffyCodyCenaJudyHopps on Jul 25, 2023 6:56:16 GMT -5
I didn't think either of the Justice League movies were that good and even I can tell nah, she knew what she was doing.
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