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Post by A Platypus Rave on Dec 19, 2022 22:47:29 GMT -5
Whedon hasn’t worked on anything I can think of that came out in a long time. Is there…is there a point where Ray just takes the win? I’d rather watch video of Joss Whedon berating a cast than keep his thing rolling Whedon resigned in barely-hidden disgrace from The Nevers in 2020, did a trade interview in 2021 which somehow made him look even worse, and nothing's been heard of him since. The working theory amongst most studio insiders and a lot of trade writers at this point is that Fisher is just working as Snyder's puppet to undermine anybody preventing him from coming back to DC. Once Whedon and Geoff Johns were sidelined Fisher moved on to Walter Hamada, now Hamada's out and Gunn's in he's starting on Gunn. Well as Snyder is likely the only person that's going to give him a job...
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Post by TWERKIN' MAGGLE on Dec 19, 2022 22:50:02 GMT -5
Ray Fisher is a piece of shit.
Even if everything he spoke about was 100% true, he's conducted himself as such a whiny, pathetic little worm of a man that there's no other way to take it.
He's a piece of shit and should disappear from the public life.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Dec 20, 2022 2:56:38 GMT -5
"WHY DO YOU CALL US TOXIC?!?!?!"
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Post by TWERKIN' MAGGLE on Dec 20, 2022 3:11:57 GMT -5
Weaponizing Charity, nice.
And they don't understand why people think they're scum.
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Post by lucas_lee on Dec 20, 2022 7:10:38 GMT -5
"WHY DO YOU CALL US TOXIC?!?!?!" This is definitely weaponizing suicide. What a dweeb and a loser
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Post by tntchamp on Dec 20, 2022 9:52:11 GMT -5
At this point the best way to describe Ray Fischer is to use the Homer Simpson line "Does anybody care what this guy thinks". Also it still blows my mind that such a mediocre filmaker like Zack Snyder has such a devoted cult to him. I mean I would get it if it was someone like Stanley Kubrick or Christopher Nolan since those guys are talented but Snyder is not even that good. His biggest achievement seems to be making a good adaptation of watchman that follows the material almost panel by panel and yet still misses the point.
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Post by Cyno on Dec 20, 2022 10:12:27 GMT -5
"WHY DO YOU CALL US TOXIC?!?!?!" What a literal piece of shit.
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Dec 20, 2022 11:37:58 GMT -5
At this point the best way to describe Ray Fischer is to use the Homer Simpson line "Does anybody care what this guy thinks". Also it still blows my mind that such a mediocre filmaker like Zack Snyder has such a devoted cult to him. I mean I would get it if it was someone like Stanley Kubrick or Christopher Nolan since those guys are talented but Snyder is not even that good. His biggest achievement seems to be making a good adaptation of watchman that follows the material almost panel by panel and yet still misses the point. I've always maintained that these people support him for reasons that have nothing to do with his films (reasons he himself would likely find repellant if he actually looked into it)
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Post by Push R Truth on Dec 20, 2022 12:00:12 GMT -5
This shit dead yet?
I only wish all this snyderverse effort and money got put into something more useful... like a sequel to The Adventures of Buckaroo Banzai Across the 8th Dimension
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Post by Feyrhausen on Dec 20, 2022 12:11:45 GMT -5
At this point the best way to describe Ray Fischer is to use the Homer Simpson line "Does anybody care what this guy thinks". Also it still blows my mind that such a mediocre filmaker like Zack Snyder has such a devoted cult to him. I mean I would get it if it was someone like Stanley Kubrick or Christopher Nolan since those guys are talented but Snyder is not even that good. His biggest achievement seems to be making a good adaptation of watchman that follows the material almost panel by panel and yet still misses the point. I've always maintained that these people support him for reasons that have nothing to do with his films (reasons he himself would likely find repellant if he actually looked into it) I dont give him that much credit. I think he knows exactly what kind of people they are. He may not personally share their beliefs but he is fine with them if they get him what he wants. Support and adulation. And if he is fine with them then he is just as bad.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Dec 20, 2022 12:34:59 GMT -5
At this point the best way to describe Ray Fischer is to use the Homer Simpson line "Does anybody care what this guy thinks". Also it still blows my mind that such a mediocre filmaker like Zack Snyder has such a devoted cult to him. I mean I would get it if it was someone like Stanley Kubrick or Christopher Nolan since those guys are talented but Snyder is not even that good. His biggest achievement seems to be making a good adaptation of watchman that follows the material almost panel by panel and yet still misses the point. his biggest achievement is either 300 or Dawn of the DEad remake... (written by James Gunn)
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Dec 20, 2022 12:38:05 GMT -5
I've always maintained that these people support him for reasons that have nothing to do with his films (reasons he himself would likely find repellant if he actually looked into it) I dont give him that much credit. I think he knows exactly what kind of people they are. He may not personally share their beliefs but he is fine with them if they get him what he wants. Support and adulation. And if he is fine with them then he is just as bad. he is absolutely aware of how toxic these people are. He talked abotu how cool it was they were spamming like Sesame Street videos with "f*** elmo we want the snydercut" and constantly bothering secretaries at WB about it. Also thanking EVS in the Snydercut despite not using any of his comics as inspiration for it, like all the other comic creators he thanked.
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Post by Cyno on Dec 20, 2022 14:33:31 GMT -5
I've always maintained that these people support him for reasons that have nothing to do with his films (reasons he himself would likely find repellant if he actually looked into it) I dont give him that much credit. I think he knows exactly what kind of people they are. He may not personally share their beliefs but he is fine with them if they get him what he wants. Support and adulation. And if he is fine with them then he is just as bad. Snyder's stated his political beliefs before and they're basically "standard Hollywood liberal." To the point where he's stated confusion over why people think there's coded right-wing messaging in his movies. He even left doing an adaptation of The Fountainhead over political reasons (nevermind that he was on board with that to begin with).
So yeah, there's a lot of what you'd call "useful idiots" in the SnyderCult crowd where Snyder may find their worldview personally repugnant, but they serve his purpose. I think that really showed itself when Geeks and Gamers acted personally betrayed when Snyder went off on them around the time ZSJL came out.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Dec 20, 2022 14:55:55 GMT -5
Snyder's stated his political beliefs before and they're basically "standard Hollywood liberal." To the point where he's stated confusion over why people think there's coded right-wing messaging in his movies. He even left doing an adaptation of The Fountainhead over political reasons (nevermind that he was on board with that to begin with). Yeah, Snyder is pretty "woke" for somebody who is idolised by the "anti-woke" crowd. As for his confusion over why people think his movies are right-wing coded, that boils down to a combination of people seeing what they want to see and him just not being a particularly good storyteller. This is the same man who made Sucker Punch as a supposed "feminist empowerment" story, after all.
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Post by TWERKIN' MAGGLE on Dec 20, 2022 15:19:15 GMT -5
It's because Snyder is one of those assholes that thinks Superman is Jesus and tried to get everyone to buy that, even though Superman was made by two young Jews in New York in the late 30s.
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Dec 20, 2022 15:22:52 GMT -5
I think Snyder kind of rides this line where he tries to make his movies serious, emotionally-charged think-pieces with a lot of depth and subtlety, but he's also just kind of a dumb dudebro who doesn't actually think concepts through all that much so you get stuff like, "Oh yeah, let's make it so Dr. Manhattan is framed for it and attacks the whole world instead of just New York, it fits better with the established rules of the universe and gives the whole world more reason to come together!" without him following that chain of thought to its logical conclusion of, "Yeah, it being against the established rules of the universe is the entire damn point of the squid and if the rest of the world found themselves nuked by America's long-established attack dog they'd wipe the US off the map before they even learned that the US was hit too."
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Post by tntchamp on Dec 20, 2022 18:06:09 GMT -5
At this point the best way to describe Ray Fischer is to use the Homer Simpson line "Does anybody care what this guy thinks". Also it still blows my mind that such a mediocre filmaker like Zack Snyder has such a devoted cult to him. I mean I would get it if it was someone like Stanley Kubrick or Christopher Nolan since those guys are talented but Snyder is not even that good. His biggest achievement seems to be making a good adaptation of watchman that follows the material almost panel by panel and yet still misses the point. his biggest achievement is either 300 or Dawn of the DEad remake... (written by James Gunn) Yeah I think Dawn is his second best movie though like Watchmen, he completely missed the point of the original and kind of just turned it into a over the top (but still fun) zombie movie. Hell I wonder how much credit should really go to Gunn really.
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Dec 20, 2022 18:08:40 GMT -5
Granted even the Dawn of the Dead remake has a bunch of stupid shit the movie isn't prepared to deal with in it like the idea that the whole zombie thing is happening because Hell is running over and we need to be punished for our sins.
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Post by Cyno on Dec 20, 2022 18:10:35 GMT -5
300 also missed the point where the comic was intentionally framed as pro-Spartan propaganda. Granted, it was still a really fun action movie; just not a great adaptation of the source material.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Dec 20, 2022 18:39:48 GMT -5
Yeah I think Dawn is his second best movie though like Watchmen, he completely missed the point of the original and kind of just turned it into a over the top (but still fun) zombie movie. Hell I wonder how much credit should really go to Gunn really. The first draft of the screenplay available online if you want to read it. Snyder didn't come on board until the second or third draft.
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