Are fans justified in wanting to see Impact die?

[A Platypus Rave is Correct]

Apr 10, 2018 22:32:43 GMT -5 Richard said:

For the question at hand, at one time I'd easily say yes. When they weren't paying people, when they weren't taking care of the people that got injured on their watch, and other scandals I think it was completely justified. With the changes in management and the recent changes they have made I think they deserve a chance to sink or swim.

Yeah, mostly this.

But a major problem is they still have all the ill will built up from the fanbase due to it being the same company that has burned them, time after time and done the underhanded shit before hand.

So maybe the new people aren't going to get a fair shake from everyone but it's gotta be something they expected for pulling into a massively damaged brand like TNA.

Apr 10, 2018 22:32:43 GMT -5 Richard said:

Apr 10, 2018 20:41:43 GMT -5 The Barber said:

The low ad rates have affected wresting more than Impact ever has.

If what you said was true, then you'd blame Impact for CW, WGN, SyFy and others for cancelling WWE, am I right?

Spike (or whatever it is called now) and Destination America (and all 19 Discovery owned networks) have point blank told people they want nothing to do with wrestling after TNA was canceled because of management incompetence. WGN blamed WWE rightly. CW you might be able to make a case for but they were also going from a general audience demo to focusing on 18-34 females. SyFY didn't cancel WWE, NBC moved SDL up to USA with a rights fee boost. Unless you're talking ECW/NXT but even then it obviously didn't hurt anything.

Yeah, CW didn't renew Smackdown because it didn't fit the demographic they were going for, it was by far their leader in Ratings and helped boost their overall ad rates by popping them up (like USA uses Raw and Smackdown for).

No one has flat out come out of the woodwork and said yeah we're done with Wrestling all together because they didn't renew with WWE.

MULTIPLE channels have with TNA, and considering how willing to help SPIKE was with TNA the entire time it was on the network should tell you how much they damaged their relationship at the end.

[Mozenrath]

I'd contend that with the changes that came when they failed pursuing the BROKEN universe, they did pretty much die already.

It's a Theseus's Ship situation. How much can you replace before it's not TNA anymore, in name or deed?

Most of what pissed us off is gone, through one change to the next.

[OVO 40 hunched over like he 80]

So far we have seen,

Bounced Checks.
Production people not being paid.
Production people being intimidated by neo nazis into not getting paid.
Jesse Sorensen being treated like shit.
Roxy Lebeau being treated like shit.
Daffney being treated like shit.
Making the roster pay for the shit hall of fame dinner.
Having a dirty ring that gave hepatitis to Nigel Mcguiness.
DJ Z needing to start a f***ing go fund me to pay for his surgery.
Terry Taylor giving pills to Konnan instead of paying for his f***ing surgery.
Okada's career almost dying.
Young Bucks not having enough money to pay for a f***ing two dollar sub at the airport.

I could go on for hours.

I don't feel bad for people being out of work because guess what? Their job in tna doesn't pay them on time or even pays them at all.

Let this shithole crumble, let the fire burn, then let the water soak this whole rat infested place. f*** TNA.

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I'll clarify my earlier post.

Literally everybody on roster has better career options. The remaining guy worth a damn (Eddie) has WWE as an option at any stage and is making money in Japan.

The others either have enough in the way of potential to get a developmental deal or have loads of better paying, more regular work available to them.

Nobody in wrestling needs TNA any more. Nobody in TNA needs TNA any more. It's just taking up space and conversation that could go to another promotion more deserving that hasn't self-immolated at every available opportunity.

Moreover as an entity as recently as last year it was actively trying to sabotage careers (Broken Universe wranglings).

I'll give the 3 Amigos credit in that they're speaking in less grandiose statements now and just trying to rebuild, being aware of their level, but they have an element in there who has a track record of rubbing everyone up the wrong way and causing problems and honestly there is no way back to even half of what the company once was.

It serves no purpose other than to exist, and nobody is dependent on it. Time to go.

[Wolf Hawkfield no1 NZ poster]

f*** yes.

Even if you ignore all the shitty things they have done, their still the wrestling equivalent of the sick horse that needs to be put out of its misery with a mercy kill.

[alexwrightspackage]

I want companies that treat their employees like shit, like not paying them or paying on time, to die.

Honest question as I haven't been following--does the new mgmt still do that? If so, they can go to hell.

[benstudd]

I feel like the train has passed on wanting this company to die.

Nobody is watching anyway now. It has fallen into ignorance and people seem to not even know that it exist.

[OVO 40 hunched over like he 80]

Apr 11, 2018 4:09:23 GMT -5 alexwrightspackage said:

I want companies that treat their employees like shit, like not paying them or paying on time, to die.

Honest question as I haven't been following--does the new mgmt still do that? If so, they can go to hell.

According to Ryan Satin he talked with talent who didn't received their checks for weeks after doing the tapings. So tna's business as usual, it will always be a scummy place no matter who runs it.

[alexwrightspackage]

Apr 11, 2018 4:22:44 GMT -5 OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 said:

Apr 11, 2018 4:09:23 GMT -5 alexwrightspackage said:

I want companies that treat their employees like shit, like not paying them or paying on time, to die.

Honest question as I haven't been following--does the new mgmt still do that? If so, they can go to hell.

According to Ryan Satin he talked with talent who didn't received their checks for weeks after doing the tapings. So tna's business as usual, it will always be a scummy place no matter who runs it.

Then I vote for Impact to die.

There are now other options like ROH, Lucha or Japan that hopefully others will find employment at.

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if they can't afford to pay people on time they should sell the company to someone who can

[Oh Cry Me a Screwball]

Apr 10, 2018 18:56:47 GMT -5 Lizuka #BLM said:

At a point in time I'd say absolutely but at this point TNA's business model has changed so much that it's really not doing any harm to anyone. Maybe if they do some scummy shit again but they seem to be doing a good job of course correcting right now.

Pretty much. When they were on a good streak of changing networks, leaving every single one of them unwilling to ever do business with wrestling again, they needed to go away before they caused any more permanent damage. Right now, they are about as stable as they can be with a lot of toxicity fading away, and they are experimenting with streaming on Twitch and having streamers do alt commentaries, which might actually do the wrestling business some good in the long run for a change.

[The Dark Order Inferno]

I do not buy the 'TNA salted the earth for wrestling on TV.' Wrestling does not attract lucrative advertisers, that is and will always be the reason most stations want nothing to do with the sport, it was a problem before TNA and remains a huge problem now. TNA's relationship with Spike was so acrimonious toward the end, they got months worth of contract extensions that gave them enough time to find a new home.

As for fans being justified wanting TNA closed. No, at this point everyone responsible for the vast majority of TNA's issues are gone from positions of power, Dixie, Jarrett (it amazes me how quickly all his sins have been wiped away since he made nice with the WWE), Russo, Hogan, Bischoff, even the six sided ring is gone. Wanting the company to die now is just something people want out of spite, but that's the wrestling fanbase for you.

[A Platypus Rave is Correct]

Yes. Wrestling has always had a stigma for advertisers.

But TNA had multiple channels willing to take a chance on them one of which has had wrestling on it since the 90s.

Decide that after dealing with TNA they aren't going to have wrestling period on their channel.

You can't write that off as TNA not ruining that channel for everyone else.

[The Dark Order Inferno]

Apr 11, 2018 13:24:26 GMT -5 A Platypus Rave is Correct said:

Yes. Wrestling has always had a stigma for advertisers.

But TNA had multiple channels willing to take a chance on them one of which has had wrestling on it since the 90s.

Decide that after dealing with TNA they aren't going to have wrestling period on their channel.

You can't write that off as TNA not ruining that channel for everyone else.

Ignoring the fact that said channel has their own in house brand aimed at the same demographics as pro wrestling, Bellator.

[tankisfreemason]

I never want to see hard working people lose their jobs, I’m just tired of the disappointment. I just stopped following the product, the better option. I’ll take a peek in this section here and there, thats about it.

[A Platypus Rave is Correct]

Apr 11, 2018 14:17:29 GMT -5 The Dark Order Inferno said:

Apr 11, 2018 13:24:26 GMT -5 A Platypus Rave is Correct said:

Yes. Wrestling has always had a stigma for advertisers.

But TNA had multiple channels willing to take a chance on them one of which has had wrestling on it since the 90s.

Decide that after dealing with TNA they aren't going to have wrestling period on their channel.

You can't write that off as TNA not ruining that channel for everyone else.

Ignoring the fact that said channel has their own in house brand aimed at the same demographics as pro wrestling, Bellator.

Which they had with wrestling was on it and had no issue for years.

When the company tried to get TNA on their sister network, and for years went above and beyond helping TNA get their shit together.

[Zombie Mod]

at various times in their history? yes, currently? no as they seem to be trying to get out of the cycle of stupidity that has dragged them into the drain.

a lot of damage has been done to their reputation and any goodwill they had has been nearly evaporated that isn't down to the fans, stupid decisions after stupid decisions lies squarely at the hands of each management team that has had their hands on tna/impact. fans can be blamed partly for the state tna/impact is in due to them finally having enough and giving up on the company and starving it of vital funds.

that said there is a slim chance they can at least turn into somewhat respectable company, but they have even less of a chance of regaining the position they once were at.

[The 1Watcher Experience]

Apr 11, 2018 12:32:22 GMT -5 The Dark Order Inferno said:

I do not buy the 'TNA salted the earth for wrestling on TV.' Wrestling does not attract lucrative advertisers, that is and will always be the reason most stations want nothing to do with the sport, it was a problem before TNA and remains a huge problem now. TNA's relationship with Spike was so acrimonious toward the end, they got months worth of contract extensions that gave them enough time to find a new home.

As for fans being justified wanting TNA closed. No, at this point everyone responsible for the vast majority of TNA's issues are gone from positions of power, Dixie, Jarrett (it amazes me how quickly all his sins have been wiped away since he made nice with the WWE), Russo, Hogan, Bischoff, even the six sided ring is gone. Wanting the company to die now is just something people want out of spite, but that's the wrestling fanbase for you.

Wrestling is not the in thing right now. It’s not very popular and due to all the free content every week on television it’s oversaturated right now. If wrestling was hot again and there was a promotion that could deliver decent content weekly that could do ratings then networks would be fighting for it. I don’t see that happening any time soon. 

As for Spike, they have rebranded to become the Paramount Network. They want to be considered to be the same kind of network as an AMC now, so I think wrestling is off their radar altogether, whether wrestling would be popular again or not.

People that are so outspoken about wanting TNA to close feels like hate speech to me. I was attending live independent shows during the early years of TNA. If TNA talent appeared on those shows the chants of “F**k TNA” would be the loudest chants of the night. This wasn’t one show. This happened at dozens of shows I attended. It became commonplace. 

Since then TNA has undergone a lot of changes. Too many to keep up with honestly. They’ve had some horrible management and made some very irresponsible decisions. I was all in favor of having the people responsible being removed from their positions of power. From what I understand they have been since. 

I can certainly understand the frustration that comes with hearing about the past mistakes and incompetence of TNA but I’m not in favor of a bunch of people being out of a job. A new company isn’t going to suddenly appear to employ those out of work. I’ve seen people use some sort of fantasy land logic to suggest TNA closing would make room for something else. That’s just not going to happen.

People losing their jobs is something I will never cheer for. Job security and an income are very important in life. It’s why I never knocked Shane Douglas, Jesse Neal, Justin Credible or anyone else when they sought other avenues for an income other than wrestling.

Sometimes I wonder about the individuals who call for such things. I see people on the internet say how a wrestler should refuse to do something that they, as a “fan”, do not aprove of. I wonder if those people realize how a boss / employee relationship works or if those people are or have ever been employed at all. 

[The Dark Order Inferno]

Apr 11, 2018 16:06:34 GMT -5 A Platypus Rave is Correct said:

Apr 11, 2018 14:17:29 GMT -5 The Dark Order Inferno said:

Ignoring the fact that said channel has their own in house brand aimed at the same demographics as pro wrestling, Bellator.

Which they had with wrestling was on it and had no issue for years.

When the company tried to get TNA on their sister network, and for years went above and beyond helping TNA get their shit together.

UFC programming wasn't owned in house, and when Bellator was bought it became their priority in a way that UFC never was, they even pushed TNA to promote it at their own expense, something they did with no pushback. Bellator is Viacom's baby, it is programming that they control as they own it outright and is content they can sell internationally, they're not going to show a competing product that they have no ownership of and limited control over which appeals to the same demographics but has a fraction of the appeal to advertisers due to it's incredibly downmarket reputation. TNN/Spike/Paramount Network are trying desperately to step away from their downmarket roots, even now, wrestling would be a step back in their eyes and that's why they don't want it back rather than anything TNA did.

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TNA as it seems is effectively dead so here is hoping that most of the old issues died with it