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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Apr 15, 2018 16:42:28 GMT -5
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Post by romanstylesiii on Apr 15, 2018 17:00:43 GMT -5
All average Americans are fat and lazy
All cops have blue hair and are massively over weight
All Scottish people are janitors
All old people are incredibly belligerent
All principles are over the top virgins who live with their mom
If anything Apu was painted as the most thoughtful character they had. They shed a light on the long hours immigrants have to work with him, and they made him a forward thinking vegan who was an intellectual. Not once was he ever a dumb immigrant.
I would say out of all the characters that were over exaggerated on that show, he might have been at the bottom. Indian immigrants were (and are) forced into working low paying jobs. Having a character represent that is not the problem. The problem is how poorly we integrate immigrants at times.
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Post by BayleyTiffyCodyCenaJudyHopps on Apr 15, 2018 17:03:05 GMT -5
At least they could get a South Asian actor to start voicing the character in Azaria’s place? It’s better than the show runners shrugging their shoulders and saying “the way you feel our character marginalizes you isn’t important to us, so whatever”.
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Post by Mozenrath on Apr 15, 2018 17:03:05 GMT -5
I was on twitter when it happened, and uhhh, they really goofed this one up.
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Post by BayleyTiffyCodyCenaJudyHopps on Apr 15, 2018 17:06:03 GMT -5
I was on twitter when it happened, and uhhh, they really goofed this one up. If this was the stance the Simpsons was going to take, they should have picked a character other than Lisa to help address it. She’s the kind of person who would want to have that sort of tough conversation about representation. |
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Post by Mozenrath on Apr 15, 2018 17:15:30 GMT -5
I was on twitter when it happened, and uhhh, they really goofed this one up. If this was the stance the Simpsons was going to take, they should have picked a character other than Lisa to help address it. She’s the kind of person who would want to have that sort of tough conversation about representation. She was, at one point. Dunno about modern Lisa, they don't seem to really know who she is anymore. Like, this moment makes me think of an inverse of the note from the substitute teacher. "You aren't Lisa Simpson. |
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Post by Alice Syndrome on Apr 15, 2018 17:17:32 GMT -5
I'd rather they not acknowledge it at all than go with "we hear you, f*** off."
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Post by FinalGwen on Apr 15, 2018 17:18:38 GMT -5
All average Americans are fat and lazy All cops have blue hair and are massively over weight All Scottish people are janitors All old people are incredibly belligerent All principles are over the top virgins who live with their mom If anything Apu was painted as the most thoughtful character they had. They shed a light on the long hours immigrants have to work with him, and they made him a forward thinking vegan who was an intellectual. Not once was he ever a dumb immigrant. I would say out of all the characters that were over exaggerated on that show, he might have been at the bottom. Indian immigrants were (and are) forced into working low paying jobs. Having a character represent that is not the problem. The problem is how poorly we integrate immigrants at times. That's not the argument though. The argument is that we have a variety/surplus of 'average Americans' on The Simpsons, and indeed western media in general. thousands of them. Likewise, with cops, if you don't like Chief Wiggum, you can look at Lou and Eddie on The Simpsons, or you can go and watch Brooklyn Nine-Nine, or any other number of shows starring cops. Scottish people, old people, even school principals... They're not rare to find. The point the documentary made was that there basically wasn't any representation in the media at that time for Indian Americans, and that one scrap that they got was a stereotype voiced by a white guy doing an impression of an impression that was pretty frigging racist itself when it was Peter Sellers doing it in brownface. And that the portrayal didn't exist in a vacuum and affected people growing up seeing themselves painted in this way, and this way only. They're not saying 'Gosh, we sure hate exaggerated characters in The Simpsons'. As you suggest, it's a wider societal issue, and there's more nuance to things than has been presented that way in a lot of the commentary on it, including the responses from the Simpsons crew which make Channel Awesome look like dedicated professionals when it comes to PR. |
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Apr 15, 2018 17:22:52 GMT -5
If this was the stance the Simpsons was going to take, they should have picked a character other than Lisa to help address it. She’s the kind of person who would want to have that sort of tough conversation about representation. She was, at one point. Dunno about modern Lisa, they don't seem to really know who she is anymore. Like, this moment makes me think of an inverse of the note from the substitute teacher. "You aren't Lisa Simpson.So she's become what they've done to Brian on Family Guy? |
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Post by chrom on Apr 15, 2018 17:42:08 GMT -5
Wake me up when The PC Thugs get kicked out of power and we can go back to watching stuff without them coming in and demanding we feel guilty for doing so.
Shall we change Injun Joe to Victorian Joseph while we're at it? Or how's about we have Popeye no longer be a sailor because he smokes a corncob pipe? And how could we possibly live with ourselves if we allow The Flintstones to continue on with domesticating and using Dinosaurs as labor animals?
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Post by The Unconquered Sun on Apr 15, 2018 18:00:29 GMT -5
Wake me up when The PC Thugs get kicked out of power and we can go back to watching stuff without them coming in and demanding we feel guilty for doing so.  |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2018 18:11:41 GMT -5
Apu is one of the more intelligent and hardworking characters on the show. f***ing babies. I dunno what he's like now im only going by classic simpsons.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2018 18:12:08 GMT -5
Wake me up when The PC Thugs get kicked out of power and we can go back to watching stuff without them coming in and demanding we feel guilty for doing so. Shall we change Injun Joe to Victorian Joseph while we're at it? Or how's about we have Popeye no longer be a sailor because he smokes a corncob pipe? And how could we possibly live with ourselves if we allow The Flintstones to continue on with domesticating and using Dinosaurs as labor animals? Give it a couple days and they well find something else to be offended about. |
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Apr 15, 2018 18:14:13 GMT -5
PC Thugs don't seem like they'd be very effective even if they had 'power', whatever that means.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2018 18:29:49 GMT -5
If this was the stance the Simpsons was going to take, they should have picked a character other than Lisa to help address it. She’s the kind of person who would want to have that sort of tough conversation about representation. She was, at one point. Dunno about modern Lisa, they don't seem to really know who she is anymore. Like, this moment makes me think of an inverse of the note from the substitute teacher. "You aren't Lisa Simpson.Modern Lisa is Writers Wish Fulfillment. Like, the amount of episodes the past decade that revolve around "Guest star comes to Springfield to tell Lisa she's great" is astounding. "Lisa Goes Gaga" has proved to be the norm, not the exception. Anyway, I posted a reply on Twitter about this & the issue is more about the old guard being bitter & hostile to change. Adaption and the show don't go hand and hand; it wasn't until Season 14 when the show went to digital animation and that was simply because they had to. From a writing perspective, the show has been in a stranglehold between three men; Al Jean, Max Pross, and Tom Gammill, for the past 15 years. None of them were willing to adapt and became increasingly embittered about change & how young people are always wrong. Since this is Apu, the episode "Much Apu About Something" is to me the most apt exploration of their mindset. In it, Jamshed takes over the store after Sanjay retires, and Apu is increasingly hostile about the situation, while Jamshed is written as "every millennial stereotype we came up with". So it's not a surprise when Jean did a "f*** you" reply to it since they long decided that every single complaint was from Comic Book Guy. Tl;Dr: It's crabby writers that are the issue. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2018 18:47:19 GMT -5
She was, at one point. Dunno about modern Lisa, they don't seem to really know who she is anymore. Like, this moment makes me think of an inverse of the note from the substitute teacher. "You aren't Lisa Simpson.So she's become what they've done to Brian on Family Guy? She's worse. Like, never in a billion years would Al Jean consider killing her off. In seriousness, even Seth is aware what a douche Brian has become and lately has toned down his involvement. Jean has tripled down on Lisa. |
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Post by Mozenrath on Apr 15, 2018 18:54:41 GMT -5
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Post by Malcolm on Apr 15, 2018 18:55:42 GMT -5
Weren't people complaining about Apu years(decades even) before this?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2018 18:57:36 GMT -5
Weren't people complaining about Apu years(decades even) before this? I think it was about "Homer and Apu" because Apu kept willingly feeding Homer expired food. |
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Post by Mozenrath on Apr 15, 2018 19:01:37 GMT -5
Weren't people complaining about Apu years(decades even) before this? Yeah. It'd be like if they remade Short Circuit exactly the same, and said, "Why does everyone all of a sudden have an issue with Benjamin?" They did already, people just didn't pay attention to them. |
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