mrbananagrabber
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Post by mrbananagrabber on Apr 30, 2018 4:39:36 GMT -5
I actually skipped through the Lesnar/Reigns Mania match and this Saudi match as well. The two biggest matches for the biggest title and I couldn’t even be bothered to watch them.
Say what you will about Hunter’s reign..I never did that.
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Post by The Barber on Apr 30, 2018 4:50:32 GMT -5
Neither are reign of terrors, especially HHH. I think the idea of HHH's 2003-2005 run being the "reign of terror" is a complete incorrect myth. The HHH\Batista feud was the second biggest feud of the attitude era behind only Rock\Cena. The attitude era was dead long before then
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sfvega
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Post by sfvega on Apr 30, 2018 4:52:50 GMT -5
I think Brock not being around is actually better. He isn't burying people every week like haitch was. Yes, easily. The Raw roster was a little deeper then and much more interesting than whatever the hell it is they're doing now (I don't watch). And Hunter buried them all. It's not like Brock beating Braun twice and beating Roman over and over again. Which isn't really burial, because people would cry even harder if Roman won. So yeah, I'd take Brock burying the same two guys the last what? 9 months? Versus Trips burying guys left and right. He'd probably put down 12 guys during a similar time frame.
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Post by Zone Was Wrong on Apr 30, 2018 5:28:12 GMT -5
During the reign of terror the title was actually around and was the focal point of the show. Unless Brock is on the clock that's not the case. Hell look at backlash coming up. The top title for raw is the IC title now since Brock is probably off being Brock for awhile until it's time to bulldoze another contender with crappy suplexes and an f5. Least till he beats Punks record because Vince can't have somebody on the outs hold a record I guess.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Apr 30, 2018 6:28:29 GMT -5
There was a time I would have laughed this question off, but since Summerslam, it's been insufferable.
The most awful aspect about both of Brock's title reigns is that the everyone from the authority figures to the roster seems to be totally cool with the champion showing up/defending whenever the f*** he wants.
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Post by mysteriousagent0076 on Apr 30, 2018 6:45:45 GMT -5
God no.
Triple H’s reign of terror was an unholy couple of years torture devised by Satan himself it seemed like. That was definitely a punishment for fans just for being fans. I can put up with Lesnar being off for months at a time over that nightmarish hell any day of the week.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2018 6:52:40 GMT -5
I like to call the Triple H one the Reign Of Terra.
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Allie Kitsune
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Apr 30, 2018 6:53:32 GMT -5
During the reign of terror the title was actually around and was the focal point of the show. Unless Brock is on the clock that's not the case. Hell look at backlash coming up. The top title for raw is the IC title now since Brock is probably off being Brock for awhile until it's time to bulldoze another contender with crappy suplexes and an f5. Least till he beats Punks record because Vince can't have somebody on the outs hold a record I guess. Not a record, and not the same title. Brock already holds the record for the Universal Title.
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Post by Rolent Tex on Apr 30, 2018 7:38:58 GMT -5
Both bored the hell out of me. While Trips running roughshod over the WCW Allstars pissed me off, the fact that Brock pulled some BS politics bullshit and not only got the title for agreeing to let Goldberg squash him, but he’s gone Mania to Mania with a death grip on that bad boy. At least Trips eventually put Batista over as an end game. Brock ended the streak, has had the belt for over a year, derailed the Owens and Jericho feud because of it, made the Roman push pointless and I doubt they even do the right thing and use him to strap a rocket to Braun.
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Post by The Ichi on Apr 30, 2018 7:44:52 GMT -5
Say what you will about the Reign of Terror, but at least Triple H was actually around, actually had contenders on a regular basis, and treated the belt like it was his child and the most important thing to him. Brock, on the other hand, seems to treat it like another prop and makes people forget Raw even has a top championship. HHH being around for his is exactly what makes it worse.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Apr 30, 2018 8:34:07 GMT -5
I kept watching through Triple H's Reign of Terror. I legitimately canceled my Network sub after Brock won at GRR and I'm just 100% done.
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Post by GuyOfOwnage on Apr 30, 2018 8:47:52 GMT -5
As someone who lived through every excruciating week of the Reign of Terror...they're both pretty bad in their own ways. Lesnar's barely around and has never been pinned for his belt, with Heyman cutting the exact same promo every time. HHH was around every single week, cutting the exact same promo every time, and while he would drop his belt, he'd quickly get it back. I'm not really sure if you can say one was worse than the other, though.
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Post by YAKMAN is ICHIBAN on Apr 30, 2018 9:07:30 GMT -5
Kayfabe: Nothing Brock Lesnar has done has been as bad as HHH screwing Jericho out of the title. SEETHING RAGE.
Non-Kayfabe: Nothing Brock Lesnar has done has been as bad as HHH's weekly promos in that era.
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Post by cabbageboy on Apr 30, 2018 9:11:31 GMT -5
HHH was like a never ending nightmare to be sure but one could at least say he put people over at some points. He did finally job to Goldberg. He did job to Chris Benoit. He made Batista a star. As insufferable as HHH was and as many people as he buried in 2002-03, at least you could say he eventually did the right thing. With this Lesnar thing, I really don't even understand what WWE is doing or trying to do. HHH's push initially ended with him putting over guys like Batista and Cena. I don't see what the endgame of the Lesnar deal is or what it's building to. It was supposed to build to Reigns beating him and sending him packing. But now? I have no idea. This isn't a sustainable long term situation. Given that Lesnar was steamrolled by Goldberg in 90 seconds not that long ago it's not like Lesnar has any real rub to give anyone, so the end result is him just burying the entire roster. Take a look at that roster on Raw coming out of the draft. Who is there that is a feasible Universal title threat?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2018 9:15:14 GMT -5
HHH was like a never ending nightmare to be sure but one could at least say he put people over at some points. He did finally job to Goldberg. He did job to Chris Benoit. He made Batista a star. As insufferable as HHH was and as many people as he buried in 2002-03, at least you could say he eventually did the right thing. With this Lesnar thing, I really don't even understand what WWE is doing or trying to do. HHH's push initially ended with him putting over guys like Batista and Cena. I don't see what the endgame of the Lesnar deal is or what it's building to. It was supposed to build to Reigns beating him and sending him packing. But now? I have no idea. This isn't a sustainable long term situation. Given that Lesnar was steamrolled by Goldberg in 90 seconds not that long ago it's not like Lesnar has any real rub to give anyone, so the end result is him just burying the entire roster. Take a look at that roster on Raw coming out of the draft. Who is there that is a feasible Universal title threat? That's really the biggest thing that clinches it for me. HHH put guys over, was made to be weak without his boys and even his boys (Batista, Orton and Flair) looked great during this time. In his promos he walked to the ring bandaged up from the last face he fought, put them over in most cases as well, Trips always got punked out by the faces. An example is this, that one Katie Vick mannequin promo Trips cut wth the mannequin. People forget that Hurricane came out there and cut a promo with a video of Trips in the doctor's office having things pulled out of his ass which the audience loved. After that Kane came out there and was f***ing him up until like 20 dudes had to break them apart. Steiner for example, there were numerous weeks where Steiner showed up Trips hell one point Steiner straight up beat the clothes off the man so Trips had to walk to the back damn near naked looking embarrassed. That's what I mean. You had Hurricane and Kane get over on Trips. Steiner went over on him during that time. People remember the beginning parts of those promos but the parts where Trips got embarrassed and punked out? They've forgotten. It happened a lot. Overall you had all 4 members of Evolution and the guy who went against HHH looking great. Even when the guy lost to HHH due to shenanigans they were heavily protected most cases. That's a lot of time building up a lot of guys, not only HHH. With Lesnar though...it's just building Lesnar. It's pretty easy to me to see that the more guys that look great, the better it is. When it's in Lesnar's case? It doesn't matter if he's not around given when he is about the result's the same, nobody besides him looks good.
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Post by Jobes on Apr 30, 2018 9:27:58 GMT -5
Put me in the "I still dig Brock" column.
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Post by tankisfreemason on Apr 30, 2018 10:09:51 GMT -5
The reign of terror killed interest and potential stars. Brock not being there means they have to find ways to keep interest and build potential stars. I’ll tell you one thing, if Braun came in during the Reign of Terror, he would be nowhere near like what he is now.
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Post by Nr1Humanoid on Apr 30, 2018 10:14:13 GMT -5
The day I defend the reign of terror is the dying day I need morphine from my HHH fan nurse.
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Post by Matt on Apr 30, 2018 10:36:40 GMT -5
Both are still better than the awful bore that was CM Punk 434.
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Post by sunnytaker on Apr 30, 2018 11:00:35 GMT -5
brock's not on the show often enough or long enough to terrorize me. half the time I forget there's even a universal champ until someone mentions a #1 contenders match for it or heyman comes out to do a promo. universal championship is almost an afterthought unlike SDL where the wwe championship is presented as a big thing, the champ is always there, but doesn't run roughshod over everyone along the way- he may be speaking with a higher pitch at this point, but the rest of him is still around.
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