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Post by Jiren on May 1, 2018 6:50:04 GMT -5
HHH's is way worse
Thank GOD for Smackdown in 2002 - 2004
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Post by Ben Wyatt on May 1, 2018 7:01:45 GMT -5
The "Brock isn't around, so this isn't as bad" argument is perplexing.
The title being off TV and most of the roster and GM/Commissioner/Grand poobah/whatever not seeing to really care makes the title meaningless. When he IS around, Heyman DOES cut the same promo every time When he IS around, he stands tall over whoever the challenger is 90% of the time When he DOES wrestle, he wins and more often than not, clean and convincing.
I loathed HHH during the reign of terror, but this sucks a whole lot worse and for different reasons
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Post by tekkenguy on May 1, 2018 7:40:55 GMT -5
No. Brock didn't have creative power over the show. Brock didn't use Heyman to get cheap victories like HHH did with Flair. Brock never put down a racial minority and subsequently squash him.
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Post by Hobby Drifter on May 1, 2018 8:08:20 GMT -5
Brock does what he's told. He could care less if he's the champion or if he's just a special attraction, so long as he gets paid. HHH lobbied and lobbied HARD for his spot. He was in the creative meetings during the reign of terror. Brock's reign is not, in any way/shape/form Brock's doing. This is all on Vince, top to bottom.
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Post by tankisfreemason on May 1, 2018 8:55:13 GMT -5
One other point, the Univeral Title doesn’t exactly have a strong lineage, which is what makes the title valued. It hasn’t been around long, so it doesn’t really feel like anything is really missing to me. If anything, this helps in making AJ’s title reign that much stronger and more meaningful, which I would 100% pick over the Reign of Terror any day.
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Post by Nikki Heyman on May 1, 2018 10:04:15 GMT -5
Hard to be a reign of terror if you're not there to terrorize.
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Post by The Ichi on May 2, 2018 1:39:18 GMT -5
No one that needs the rub has beaten Lesnar. Reigns, Strowman, Joe, Ambrose, Rollins etc have all lost to Lesnar while he's only lost to Goldberg, HHH, Taker and Cena. At this point i'm inclined to think they bring back Batista and have him beat Lesnar In regards to New Day yeah I can see Kofi being a late bloomer like a Mark Henry per se. Big E seems ticketed to be a world champion but the problem is you have to find a perfect balance for him. Don't take away his personality and make him ultra serious but also don't let him be soo goofy it takes away from what he can do as a performer. Xavier will easily take over 205 Live if it's still around whenever they break them up. If it's not than hopefully he is the manager for either Kofi or Xavier because otherwise he's going to be a jobber. Triple H and Cena beating Lesnar don't even count really given it happened prior to Lesnar beating the Streak. Since that happened he's been an entirely different monster even in how he wrestles. Batista being Lesnar I think would be good business because Batista would put guys over. Yeah I agree with all of that on New Day and Xavier's just got that certain type of fire to keep 205 afloat if it's still going on. It's just in a weird spot right now. They gotta switch things up with that roster because man it's pathetic over there. Dude, you're getting way too upset over this. It's been pointed out to you that it's not just the feuds that make the Reign of Terror (c) so legendary. It's a perfect combination of things that make it official. Even some fans of him agree with it. It's a title that cannot be changed. Brocks may be worse, honestly I'm not watching anymore, but the title can't be changed. It's set in stone. No 50 paragraph thesis or feud breakdown changes that. ![](https://i.imgur.com/872q5ZZ.gif) Bruh bruh if you gotta go to the "you're upset about this/you're mad line" in a debate then that says everything. Don't try to come at me with any subjective opinions when I'm breaking these things down by facts. Just see what I say and move aside. If you do then shit, we got nothing to talk about because I'm not speaking on opinions. I can straight up said "nah I liked HHH's promos, come at me" and you don't have a thing against my opinion besides "but it wasn't good" given that's just that, an opinion and opinions are subjective. If you wanna argue about opinions? You gotta go somewhere else for that rather than respond to me because you're speaking to the wrong guy lol. If someone says "nah I like this guy" and I don't you don't see me going against them like "nah you're wrong to like that guy", that's silly. But if you want actual facts such as what happened in these feuds, those segments, how guys lost the matches, what they did afterwards and such, I got you because that's what I'm going off of when I make my comment rather than someone's opinion given, again, that varies. We're looking at data in that case and it's easy to see the results given you can actually go back and look at it. Man straight up went back and peeped the Orton documentary I just mentioned. I'm not going off of opinion and hell, I disliked Triple H's Reign of Terror and I dislike Lesnar's, I'm going off comparisons. Finally you also said breaking down the feuds (even though I also broke down the segments itself) don't matter...you said you don't watch anymore...you even said Lesnar's might be worse yourself...like bruh. Come on now. What is this lol? Alright, the u mad card was unnecessary and I'll apologize for that. What I was trying to say was that there were so many perfect elements to Hs reign of terror that gives it that title. So many fans aren't wrong about that. The "Brock is barely around" argument is a valid one. It's the if a tree falls in the woods thing. It's called the reign of terror for Trips because of its sheer scale. He was always around, nearly always won, and it never felt like it would stop. By the sounds of things, Brocks awfulness comes and goes like an occasional bad storm, but for the most part he's not the focus of the show. Like Nikki said, its not a reign of terror if he's not around to terrorize. It does sound bad though, so maybe it's own title is in order.
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2018 2:01:50 GMT -5
Alright, the u mad card was unnecessary and I'll apologize for that. What I was trying to say was that there were so many perfect elements to Hs reign of terror that gives it that title. So many fans aren't wrong about that. The "Brock is barely around" argument is a valid one. It's the if a tree falls in the woods thing. It's called the reign of terror for Trips because of its sheer scale. He was always around, nearly always won, and it never felt like it would stop. By the sounds of things, Brocks awfulness comes and goes like an occasional bad storm, but for the most part he's not the focus of the show. Like Nikki said, its not a reign of terror if he's not around to terrorize. It does sound bad though, so maybe it's own title is in order. It's all good, no problem. The "Brock is barely around" thing is a big point why I and many others think that this reign is worse. To you all you see Brock not being around and think "well hey that means it's more focus for others on the show, more time for them to do things" but to us we don't think that. We think "Brock's not here so there goes the lead title on Raw, there goes guys fighting for a nothing prize", "Brock isn't here so we have guys in filler feuds for a chance to face him" or even "Brock isn't here so this title doesn't exist to us and other viewers." When Brock does show up it's the same old Heyman promo, same old Brock act and then it's the "ok, the guy that was winning when Brock was gone gets a chance to face Brock now but he gets decisively beaten and now Brock's gone again, time to find another opponent" and the cycle repeats. You can build guys up for Lesnar in the main event but when it's their time they take the L. It's why I brought up Triple H because with his reign you actually saw the title, the guy had help and others beat him at times. To us having Trips get damaged, beaten from time to time and interacting with other stars looks better than Brock coming back and squashing the guys he faces giving them a hit. That's regardless of people's opinions on his promos and segment time. At the end of the day it's different mindsets. It would be a different story if Lesnar had his own championship that wasn't the lead title on Raw but given it's that title you have to wonder what guys are even fighting for in the main event. If it's for a chance to face Lesnar then well, you know what happens.
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