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Post by Wrestling Curmudgeon on May 6, 2018 23:44:19 GMT -5
I LIKE SCREAMING IN AN ARENA FULL OF SILENT PEOPLE! The only thing that would’ve made it worse is if Kona Reeves came out during the match just shouting “THE FINEST”.
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Post by Rudy Gobert Fadeaway on May 7, 2018 0:22:02 GMT -5
Charlotte's like a reverse Daniel Bryan 2013 where you pair her with weak opponents and she just brings the absolute worst out of them.
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Post by 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger on May 7, 2018 0:24:39 GMT -5
Charlotte's like a reverse Daniel Bryan 2013 where you pair her with weak opponents and she just brings the absolute worst out of them. Charlotte is one if the worst offenders of the “playing down to your opponent” thing.
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2018 0:24:55 GMT -5
Charlotte's like a reverse Daniel Bryan 2013 where you pair her with weak opponents and she just brings the absolute worst out of them. Wow, yeah. You put it in a way I've been trying to. I know Carmella's not great at all in the ring, but Charlotte's REALLY not as great as I thought she was.
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2018 0:41:09 GMT -5
The hated, clearly unworthy heel managed to sneak out another cheap win through being super wiley even if she's clearly an inferior opponent. There's this thing I wish we'd stop doing where we confuse "a result we don't like" with "objectively bad quality." I think most people actually preferred Carmella winning. The match was just awful.
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2018 0:43:06 GMT -5
The hated, clearly unworthy heel managed to sneak out another cheap win through being super wiley even if she's clearly an inferior opponent. There's this thing I wish we'd stop doing where we confuse "a result we don't like" with "objectively bad quality." I think most people actually preferred Carmella winning. The match was just awful. It was the Bayley, This is Your Life of matches.
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2018 0:43:43 GMT -5
I think most people actually preferred Carmella winning. The match was just awful. It was the Bayley, This is Your Life of matches. I was thinking Old Day but let's just combine both of them and cry together.
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Post by El Cokehead del Knife Fight on May 7, 2018 5:30:56 GMT -5
Charlotte's like a reverse Daniel Bryan 2013 where you pair her with weak opponents and she just brings the absolute worst out of them. Wow, yeah. You put it in a way I've been trying to. I know Carmella's not great at all in the ring, but Charlotte's REALLY not as great as I thought she was. Charlotte is a fantastic athlete and naturally really talented but she's never going to drag a good match out of an awful opponent. Asuka could probably get a decent match out of Carmella and Becky can get something that isn't the drizzling shits out of her but it's not a long list other than them. I don't think that even Nikki Cross could get much and she's one of the best on either roster.
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Post by theironyuppie on May 7, 2018 6:07:24 GMT -5
Wow, yeah. You put it in a way I've been trying to. I know Carmella's not great at all in the ring, but Charlotte's REALLY not as great as I thought she was. Charlotte is a fantastic athlete and naturally really talented but she's never going to drag a good match out of an awful opponent. Asuka could probably get a decent match out of Carmella and Becky can get something that isn't the drizzling shits out of her but it's not a long list other than them. I don't think that even Nikki Cross could get much and she's one of the best on either roster. I still think they could have got something decent (not great, but decent) if the match didn't have that ending and wasn't just 90% boring Carmella offense. Taking away Charlotte's high spots gave the crowd even less incentive to care.
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Post by Legion on May 7, 2018 6:13:21 GMT -5
It's funny that we still have rubbish like this during the era of the 'women's revolution.'
Oh no, wait, I dont mean funny.
Carmella has no business in a ring, she's awful. As a valet/manager I am sure she could generate heat for someone, but she can't go in the ring and it's a slap to the idea of elevating the female wrestlers that she is champ.
Just my two cents.
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2018 6:25:33 GMT -5
Carmella has been hurt by their use of her when she debuted in NXT she had a match and looked shockingly decent for some with such little experience and then she didn’t wrestle again for 6 months.When she got on the main roster when she did wrestle it was short or multiwomen matches and since she won money in the bank she never wrestles on tv and on house shows she’s in the women’s tag match where they throw 4,6 or 8 women in a match where their in the ring for 90 seconds apiece which is very different than wrestling a 10 to 12 minutes ppv singles match.She’s run into the problem with a lot of these NXT women like Alexa Bliss Pretty girl,good talker,good personality but not very good in the ring.
Charlotte needs to be in the ring with someone that’s way better than her like Asuka or someone like Sasha or Bayley where she’s super comfortable with them because she’s wrestled them everyday for the last 5 years and they can do a decent match in their sleep but when they put Charlotte in there with Carmella,Alexa,Peyton and Billie it’s been bad and it shows she’s got a long way to go as a worker.
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Post by Super Duper Dragunov on May 7, 2018 6:25:39 GMT -5
Wow, yeah. You put it in a way I've been trying to. I know Carmella's not great at all in the ring, but Charlotte's REALLY not as great as I thought she was. Charlotte is a fantastic athlete and naturally really talented but she's never going to drag a good match out of an awful opponent. Asuka could probably get a decent match out of Carmella and Becky can get something that isn't the drizzling shits out of her but it's not a long list other than them. I don't think that even Nikki Cross could get much and she's one of the best on either roster. THANK YOU. People want to say that Charlotte can't even play down to Carmella's level. No. Charlotte can't break out of the prison of the booking of that match. Which was the issue of every freaking match outside of the IC title, and even then TWO finishers! This card was horribly booked, but we're still blaming the talent.
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2018 6:33:51 GMT -5
Charlotte is a fantastic athlete and naturally really talented but she's never going to drag a good match out of an awful opponent. Asuka could probably get a decent match out of Carmella and Becky can get something that isn't the drizzling shits out of her but it's not a long list other than them. I don't think that even Nikki Cross could get much and she's one of the best on either roster. THANK YOU. People want to say that Charlotte can't even play down to Carmella's level. No. Charlotte can't break out of the prison of the booking of that match. Which was the issue of every freaking match outside of the IC title, and even then TWO finishers! This card was horribly booked, but we're still blaming the talent. That would be true if this was a one time occurrence with Charlotte but this is the norm while Asuka has pulled good matches out of Dana Brooke and Nia Jax in NXT when they were just getting started Charlotte’s never done that she always underperforms in those cases and it shows she’s not as good as people make her out to be she’s a great athlete and can have amazing matches with people better than her but she can’t get a decent match out of lesser talent.
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Post by Super Duper Dragunov on May 7, 2018 6:38:49 GMT -5
THANK YOU. People want to say that Charlotte can't even play down to Carmella's level. No. Charlotte can't break out of the prison of the booking of that match. Which was the issue of every freaking match outside of the IC title, and even then TWO finishers! This card was horribly booked, but we're still blaming the talent. That would be true if this was a one time occurrence with Charlotte but this is the norm while Asuka has pulled good matches out of Dana Brooke and Nia Jax in NXT when they were just getting started Charlotte’s never done that she always underperforms in those cases and it shows she’s not as good as people make her out to be she’s a great athlete and can have amazing matches with people better than her but she can’t get a decent match out of lesser talent. I don't see it that way. Charlotte has good matches with great to average talent. Carmella is the definition of sub-par (as a wrestler, her character her work is flawless now). You name any female wrestler and I guarantee they wouldn't have been able to pull a decent match out of Carmella. Especially when the booking was "Carmella you have Charlotte in a rest hold for 56 years and then Charlotte you miss a moonsault, Carmella kicks your leg then pins you". I blame the entirety of the match, and honestly this card, on the booking teams. Not the talent.
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Post by Moppy on May 7, 2018 6:41:59 GMT -5
I thought it was fine, and Carmella is a superb character, but we shouldn't be asked to buy that she can hang with Charlotte in the ring.
The same with Bliss/Nia, both matches were too even. It's like they're scared to book a quick squash match (and there are creative ways to do it and still keep the title on Mella) even when their own booking dictates one.
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2018 6:42:30 GMT -5
That would be true if this was a one time occurrence with Charlotte but this is the norm while Asuka has pulled good matches out of Dana Brooke and Nia Jax in NXT when they were just getting started Charlotte’s never done that she always underperforms in those cases and it shows she’s not as good as people make her out to be she’s a great athlete and can have amazing matches with people better than her but she can’t get a decent match out of lesser talent. I don't see it that way. Charlotte has good matches with great to average talent. Carmella is the definition of sub-par (as a wrestler, her character her work is flawless now). You name any female wrestler and I guarantee they wouldn't have been able to pull a decent match out of Carmella. Especially when the booking was "Carmella you have Charlotte in a rest hold for 56 years and then Charlotte you miss a moonsault, Carmella kicks your leg then pins you". I blame the entirety of the match, and honestly this card, on the booking teams. Not the talent. Have you not seen Charlotte vs Alexa at Survivor Series or Charlotte working with Peyton & Billie for the last month? Cause this Carmella match has just continued that pattern.
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Post by Super Duper Dragunov on May 7, 2018 6:45:41 GMT -5
I don't see it that way. Charlotte has good matches with great to average talent. Carmella is the definition of sub-par (as a wrestler, her character her work is flawless now). You name any female wrestler and I guarantee they wouldn't have been able to pull a decent match out of Carmella. Especially when the booking was "Carmella you have Charlotte in a rest hold for 56 years and then Charlotte you miss a moonsault, Carmella kicks your leg then pins you". I blame the entirety of the match, and honestly this card, on the booking teams. Not the talent. Have you not seen Charlotte vs Alexa at Survivor Series or Charlotte working with Peyton & Billie for the last month? Cause this Carmella match has just continued that pattern. Have you not seen Alexa in her main roster run? And Billie vs. Peyton has gone off fine as I'm concerned. The IIConic duo are must Beautiful People 2.0 and do it wonderfully. Charlotte has played off of them the best they allow her to. If anyone's in a predictable pattern it's Alexa.
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2018 6:49:21 GMT -5
Have you not seen Charlotte vs Alexa at Survivor Series or Charlotte working with Peyton & Billie for the last month? Cause this Carmella match has just continued that pattern. Have you not seen Alexa in her main roster run? And Billie vs. Peyton has gone off fine as I'm concerned. The IIConic duo are must Beautiful People 2.0 and do it wonderfully. Charlotte has played off of them the best they allow her to. If anyone's in a predictable pattern it's Alexa. It’s a bigger problem for Charlotte because she’s positioned as wwe’s female Roman Reigns she’s the top woman and she been pushed that way for the last 3 years and she fails to have decent matches with lesser experienced girls and the last good match she’s had in the last year plus was with Asuka so to me that would say it’s an issue with Charlotte.
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Post by Super Duper Dragunov on May 7, 2018 6:52:20 GMT -5
Have you not seen Alexa in her main roster run? And Billie vs. Peyton has gone off fine as I'm concerned. The IIConic duo are must Beautiful People 2.0 and do it wonderfully. Charlotte has played off of them the best they allow her to. If anyone's in a predictable pattern it's Alexa. It’s a bigger problem for Charlotte because she’s positioned as wwe’s female Roman Reigns she’s the top woman and she been pushed that way for the last 3 years and she fails to have decent matches with lesser experienced girls and the last good match she’s had in the last year plus was with Asuka so to me that would say it’s an issue with Charlotte. agree to disagree my friend. I see where you're coming from, but I don't agree at all.
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Post by mrbananagrabber on May 7, 2018 7:39:38 GMT -5
I skipped it. No interest at all, and it sounds like I didn’t miss much.
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