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Post by Nikki Heyman on May 17, 2018 17:59:25 GMT -5
I haven't made much either - my best night included winning a 50/50 at an event after the wrestling show The only local promotion here (NE Wisconsin) only does charity cards so literally everyone works free, at least according to a former co-worker who is a retired indy guy. Just got picked up by an indy in Hudson, I'm pretty sure all those guys get paid - heck, if *I* got paid everyone else did
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Post by kidkamikaze10 on May 17, 2018 19:07:22 GMT -5
This is what a decade worth of TNA does to you, lmao.
He's right though.
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Post by Cyno on May 17, 2018 19:35:42 GMT -5
If he gave that interview glaring at a TNA logo, I wouldn't be surprised.
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Post by thecrusherwi on May 17, 2018 19:41:38 GMT -5
I haven't made much either - my best night included winning a 50/50 at an event after the wrestling show The only local promotion here (NE Wisconsin) only does charity cards so literally everyone works free, at least according to a former co-worker who is a retired indy guy. If you're talking ACW I would hope those guys get paid. Wrestlecon on April 21st put 2,500 in the new Oshkosh Arena for $20 a ticket. I would hope guys made something on a $40,000-$50,000 house
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Post by The Barber on May 17, 2018 19:48:37 GMT -5
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Post by Gus Richlen Was Wrong on May 17, 2018 20:09:44 GMT -5
The only local promotion here (NE Wisconsin) only does charity cards so literally everyone works free, at least according to a former co-worker who is a retired indy guy. If you're talking ACW I would hope those guys get paid. Wrestlecon on April 21st put 2,500 in the new Oshkosh Arena for $20 a ticket. I would hope guys made something on a $40,000-$50,000 house Never heard of them. I'm referring to Under The Lights Entertainment. Their main website hasn't updated in four years but they advertise heavily in the area and have been at Copperfest in Oconto for the past few of those (NWA Wisconsin used to be there) with special guest meet-and-greets and signings (this year: Eugene).
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Post by Jonathan Michaels on May 17, 2018 20:18:58 GMT -5
That attitude is why I’ve always defended Nash.
I mean, at the end of the day, it’s a job and the object of a job is to make money.
Never blamed a wrestler for wanting to squeeze money out of the business.
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Post by abjordans on May 17, 2018 20:19:16 GMT -5
This is why I think we as fans should give WWE a break and support them more. They offer a spotfest indy fed (205 Live), a “best talent in the world” indy (NXT), 2 sports entertainment shows (Raw and Smackdown), tons of content on the Network. So much content for fans at such a good price.
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Post by Nikki Heyman on May 17, 2018 20:20:52 GMT -5
The only local promotion here (NE Wisconsin) only does charity cards so literally everyone works free, at least according to a former co-worker who is a retired indy guy. If you're talking ACW I would hope those guys get paid. Wrestlecon on April 21st put 2,500 in the new Oshkosh Arena for $20 a ticket. I would hope guys made something on a $40,000-$50,000 house wow, that's on the other side of the state.... MAW in Hudson, WI (just over the MN border) I know guys are getting paid. Dunno how much though
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Post by Allie Kitsune on May 17, 2018 20:22:56 GMT -5
If he gave that interview glaring at a TNA logo, I wouldn't be surprised. Joe has always struck me as a "Might Makes Right" (and forgive me if there's some weird recent social implication to that phrase that I'm unaware of) kind of guy, in the end.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on May 17, 2018 20:33:57 GMT -5
The indies are a much more attractive option than ever, sure, but it’s a bit of a fallacy to assume that anyone in WWE can just leave and make the kind of money that, say, The Young Bucks get. They get that kind of money because they themselves work a WWE-like schedule, going back and forth between the US and Japan all the damn time. Not to mention all the work they’ve done in marketing themselves above and beyond the norms for independent wrestlers.
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Post by HMARK Center on May 17, 2018 22:06:49 GMT -5
This is why I think we as fans should give WWE a break and support them more. They offer a spotfest indy fed (205 Live), a “best talent in the world” indy (NXT), 2 sports entertainment shows (Raw and Smackdown), tons of content on the Network. So much content for fans at such a good price. Honestly, it's more reason to support local/regional/national indies and international companies; those places doing better in turn forces WWE to keep their wages higher or boost them even more, plus makes the indy/international scene a more viable option for people trying to make a living.
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Post by cabbageboy on May 17, 2018 22:13:11 GMT -5
I'm all for guys getting paid, but who is to say a lot of these guys get paid all that much in WWE? I mean Joe or AJ have main evented PPVs, so of course they are getting paid. But someone like Austin Aries just dicked around on 205 Live for a while and claims he makes more money back on the indies now. I think it is more of a situation where someone needs the pay day and they are in a position to make that money. Guys who endured a decade on TNA TV definitely have earned the right to make as much as humanly possible and obviously give WWE a veteran presence. Other guys just don't fit in that well in WWE and are better off on the indies.
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2018 22:15:04 GMT -5
Dudes completely right everyone wins when wwe raids the indies because guys get paid,fans get exposed to new talent and see fresh matchups and those indies get to start fresh with new talent and those fans get new fresh matchups.
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Post by Reflecto on May 17, 2018 22:19:11 GMT -5
This is why I think we as fans should give WWE a break and support them more. They offer a spotfest indy fed (205 Live), a “best talent in the world” indy (NXT), 2 sports entertainment shows (Raw and Smackdown), tons of content on the Network. So much content for fans at such a good price. Honestly, it's more reason to support local/regional/national indies and international companies; those places doing better in turn forces WWE to keep their wages higher or boost them even more, plus makes the indy/international scene a more viable option for people trying to make a living. But even then, the fact that most of the top indies use the same roster would inevitably throw that out of wack. As long as the national indy scene is as homogenized as any WWE card, you'll never be able to do that. Yeah, the BEST national touring acts will make a living, but even the guy who's a top regional star won't be able to make enough money to survive solely on wrestling. Hell, it even leads to the indy scene being decimated, since the homogenization takes away chances for the indy scene to succeed more. You won't see things like, for instance, the Taz vs. Sabu angle from 1995-97 on the indy scene where Taz just called Sabu out, show after show, until it finally happened on ECW's first Pay Per View...because if Taz vs. Sabu happened in 2018, ECW would build Taz/Sabu up...but Joe Shmoe out of Regional Indy Promotion X would say "I like Taz, I like Sabu- I'm going to book them and make them fight" and kneecap ECW's angle, get only some slight benefit from people watching that DVD and ignoring them, and costing Taz and Sabu the money they could have made by deciding not to wrestle until that moment. Part of wanting better for the local/regional/national indies is realizing that the national indy scene is just as bad as WWE is, and that means that the indy scene CAN'T sustain itself without WWE cycling it out.
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Post by HMARK Center on May 17, 2018 22:34:44 GMT -5
Honestly, it's more reason to support local/regional/national indies and international companies; those places doing better in turn forces WWE to keep their wages higher or boost them even more, plus makes the indy/international scene a more viable option for people trying to make a living. But even then, the fact that most of the top indies use the same roster would inevitably throw that out of wack. As long as the national indy scene is as homogenized as any WWE card, you'll never be able to do that. Yeah, the BEST national touring acts will make a living, but even the guy who's a top regional star won't be able to make enough money to survive solely on wrestling. Hell, it even leads to the indy scene being decimated, since the homogenization takes away chances for the indy scene to succeed more. You won't see things like, for instance, the Taz vs. Sabu angle from 1995-97 on the indy scene where Taz just called Sabu out, show after show, until it finally happened on ECW's first Pay Per View...because if Taz vs. Sabu happened in 2018, ECW would build Taz/Sabu up...but Joe Shmoe out of Regional Indy Promotion X would say "I like Taz, I like Sabu- I'm going to book them and make them fight" and kneecap ECW's angle, get only some slight benefit from people watching that DVD and ignoring them, and costing Taz and Sabu the money they could have made by deciding not to wrestle until that moment. Part of wanting better for the local/regional/national indies is realizing that the national indy scene is just as bad as WWE is, and that means that the indy scene CAN'T sustain itself without WWE cycling it out. I'm not sure I follow this argument, considering that larger scale indies today make more money than they did during the ECW era, and not every major indy uses all the same talent, either. The scene has grown in the past few years, and while plenty of top talents work numerous promotions it's not like everybody works the same promotions with the same frequency, so it's pretty easy to keep things fresh...plus, a more viable indy scene simply means more talent going around, thus allowing more fresh matchups. Beyond that, I'm not sure what the rest of this argument is about: nobody's saying someone who's, say, exclusive to the Midwest is likely going to make a full-time living on the indies, and nobody's saying WWE shouldn't sign anybody from the indies (talent's gotta come from somewhere, after all). It's just simple math for it: more support for the indies/international scene mean more viable companies and more and higher pay days for non-WWE talent, thus allowing them to demand better pay if WWE comes calling, or allowing people already in WWE to demand better terms. If WWE is the only game in town getting a lot of new talent at a given time or getting large scale financial support, then the options available to wrestlers, top tier or otherwise, are inherently limited, and their ability to bargain for better terms/pay/etc. becomes even more limited, as well.
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Post by Wieners=$$$ on May 18, 2018 0:02:33 GMT -5
The indies are a much more attractive option than ever, sure, but it’s a bit of a fallacy to assume that anyone in WWE can just leave and make the kind of money that, say, The Young Bucks get. They get that kind of money because they themselves work a WWE-like schedule, going back and forth between the US and Japan all the damn time. Not to mention all the work they’ve done in marketing themselves above and beyond the norms for independent wrestlers. I agree. The Young Bucks and the Bullet Club brand has grown beyond NJPW and ROH. They took the ball and ran with it, and now with all the hype behind "All In," now is the perfect time for some fresh competition in the states. Who knows what will come of this, but if anything it will provide more exposure for world-class talent outside of the WWE bubble and get them a bigger pay-day.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on May 18, 2018 0:04:33 GMT -5
JOE IS GONNA BILL YOU!
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2018 2:12:00 GMT -5
Joe's right and he's been saying what most of us have said regarding this. People know why they're in the WWE. These dudes out here trying to get paid. f*** all of your "well I wanna see 5 star matches send em back to the indies" bullshit, give em the f***ing DOLLA DOLLA BILL YALL that they came here for. Haha exactly! So many smart fans are borderline brain dead dumb. "Becky should leave! She's not getting booked as the FotC!" It's a JOB! An acting gig. She's probably clearing 7 digits, definitely 6. I always wonder if these people adhere to their own advice, "I didnt get promoted to district manager after a year even though I know I'm better than everyone, I'm quitting, **** bills and disposable income".
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Post by GuyOfOwnage on May 18, 2018 2:41:14 GMT -5
They say the best promo guys are just extensions of their real-life personas. He's not an asshole, but he's also straight to the point and gives no f***s. Especially in a very corporate world like WWE, it is BEYOND refreshing to see that kind of blunt honesty, both on and off-screen.
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