New Thundercats Series Coming in 2019

[chrom]

24 thousand dislikes on youtube and a good part of them due to that alien lifeform that the head writer calls hair

[Nosnorb]

May 21, 2018 4:20:20 GMT -5 Eunös ✈ said:

I can't help but roll my eyes when someone is like "NO, THEY'VE RUINED MY CHILDHOOD..THEY'VE RUINED THE OLD SHOW"

1. No, your childhood is not ruined because your childhood has happened, that part of your life has been and gone. Unless you are somehow able to reform yourself into a kid, that part of your life can no longer be edited.

2. The old show is not ruined, the old show still exists. If you really want to you can pick up old DVD's of the show.


Now look, I'm not saying that you can't have a negative opinion looking at this new TC cartoon, of course you can.. For what its worth I agree the animation is a bit meh looking. However I do feel some need to tone it down (Not aimed at anyone here). Neither your childhood or the old show is effected by this.

Who knows?, it might actually end up being really good. On the other hand it might really suck.

If it's the latter then I suggest ignoring it and go back to something you do like.

My sentiments exactly. The show could turn out to be really good, with great writing and memorable characters. Hell, it could turn out to be better than the old show.

And for what its worth, I love the new art style - it's expressive, well drawn and colourful.

[Goldenbane]

May 21, 2018 1:33:22 GMT -5 mrtuesday said:

May 20, 2018 15:34:02 GMT -5 Goldenbane said:

All I saw about this was She-Ra in shadows. I cringed when I saw them brag about "girl power" and "diversity of the cast" so I'm extremely worried about this. She-Ra was a very strong female character, but she didn't put anyone else down (except the villains, I guess...and even then she normally tried to talk them out of doing what they were doing...and they usually tried to strike her first) and instead, she lifted other people up.

I have this feeling that she's going to spend the vast majority of her time absolutely getting in Bow and Seahawk's faces (her FRIENDS, mind you) and throwing her weight around to prove "women can do anything men can do, but BETTER...ALWAYS."

Have you seen Voltron: Legendary Defender? Because it's the same people doing it. And none of that is in there.

I've never seen Voltron, but if that's the case, thank goodness.

[Platypus Mod, with a new hat]

I have said earlier my only real problem with this is that the art style looks ugly to me.

I am tired of Comedy heavy with some action while the hero are idiot shows... but... we have very little actual footage to work off of...

and even then if it was drawn betterI would probably be ok with it (I mean I love it but let's not pretend the original show was some kinda masterpiece of writing)

[HMARK Center]

I don't see why people are shocked over the animation style; this is what works nowadays, same way that it seemed like every toon in the 00s was a Canadian-produced Flash cartoon. Networks want stuff that's popular and economical, so here they go. I honestly didn't watch a ton of Thundercats as a kid, I did hear the 2011 reboot was awesome, but this is the current animation trend so whatever.

Meantime, good God, I have had it with grown ass people getting this worked up over movies and TV shows.

Fine, I'm a geezer at this point, but you know what I really enjoy? Legitimate criticism - a lot of YouTube channels I follow, for example, critically examine movies, books, TV shows, etc. and do so within various contexts (cultural, historical, economic, moral, technical stuff, etc.). That's not me trying to say "look how smart I am", more me saying that criticism can be educational and fun when it takes a work and dives into what works and what doesn't work about it in a way that doesn't boil down to "muh childhood!"

Criticism is healthy; the type of whining that constantly pours out about this stuff isn't. In this case it's a children's cartoon show: if you're over 13, it isn't aimed at you. Ignore it, go to work, get a hobby, go outside and exercise, find a nice place to eat, have a beer or two, get involved in a political campaign, start picking up trash in your neighborhood, anything, just find something better to do than harass, annoy, and whine about something that's aimed at 8-10 year olds.

This doesn't apply, of course, to somebody who just says "eh, I think that looks dumb" and then ignores it, because that's the type of response that actually makes sense.

I saw that Egoraptor put out a tweet discussing how the 2011 reboot fell apart because "nobody watched it"; somebody tried to turn it into a whole "no, that's bullshit, it got renewed but business inside Cartoon Network killed it!" thing, which didn't change that, no, that still means CN thought not enough people were watching it for them to be willing to drop the needed money. It sucks, but animation that's aimed at an older audience is in a tough place right now when it comes to TV, caught between blocs of animation aimed expressly at kids and blocs of adult content that's really "adult" in content. Plus, shows like the 2011 Thundercats, the 2002 He-Man, The Last Airbender and Legend of Korra all cost a pretty good amount of money to make, all while appealing to audiences that don't buy the toys that are usually advertised during regular broadcast hours of Cartoon Network of Nickelodeon. Again, it sucks, but that's life.

Another argument was "you can't just say 'it's for kids, get over it', because why else would they bring back Thundercats if they weren't trying to appeal to older audiences?" Oh, I don't know, maybe because executives are more likely to OK projects with pre-existing IPs? Maybe because the writers/creators really liked Thundercats and wanted to do something with it? And maybe they do want to see if a few older folks will watch it, but ultimately don't really care if you do or don't, because you're not the target demographic? I saw previews for the rebooted version of Reboot, a show that was huge for me during my formative years, and it kind of hurt to see how bad it was...so I just didn't watch it. It's not for me. Life isn't fair, deal.

To tie it back with my original point, if somebody wanted to do a real critical overview of this show (once it's on TV), of animation styles, of current trends in modern animation, I'd be all for it; go ahead, dive into the business reasons why things are the way they are, discuss if the type of humor most prevalent in children's animation today has good or bad qualities, analyze how the mobile/online generation has shaped this stuff, critically examine adult fandom of children's entertainment, etc.

But constant, ceaseless whining and even threats from entitled adults who aren't getting what they want from the latest shows, films, etc.? Get the hell out of here with that, and stop making all of us who were born in the 80s look bad.

[BayleyTiffyCodyCenaJudyHopps]

Nothing about this really looks that bad to me on paper. I’m all for a Thundercats show aimed at younger audiences, and the brief amount of footage we saw didn’t really indicate or guarantee we’ll be seeing a Teen Titans Go style of humor. Say what you will about the style, but the actual animation I felt was pretty impressive.

Regular cable is losing younger viewers gradually to Netflix and shows that can be streamed. I like quite a bit of CN’s current lineup actually (SU, We Bare Bears, Craig, Gumball in particular), but they’re no more immune to “network rot” as any other channnel.

For example, Voltron Defender has long term storytelling, and that would make it harder to build an audience today were it stuck somewhere on CN ‘s schedule in the midst of their marathons (CN’s current focus on their app stresses this even more). It would probably suffer a similar fate to Thundercats 2011 on basic cable. But on Netflix where viewers can stream through the seasons at their leisure and really absorb the story, Voltron is allowed the opportunity to be a hit.

I also believe that’s why CN airs so many “Steven Bombs”, to simulate the habit of those who stream shows at the rate of one episode per day.

That’s why I feel CN is so focused on gag based shows with simpler art styles and 12-minute shorts lately. But I do see where people are bored with them falling back on a “house style” with many of their new shows. Like I’m really enjoying Craig Of The Creek from a writing standpoint, and the character designs are cute, but they don’t really stand out from the pack. (It’s not a “CalArts” style though. Steven Universe’s creator Rebecca Sugar never went there, I know that much.)

But none of that is any excuse for the sea of shitlords who feel motivated to harass and send death threats to others because that particular art direction doesn’t appeal to them. Either pick up a pencil and create the show you want to watch, or find a cartoon that actually suits your taste, and get a damn life already.

[Dub H]

i have no strong feeelings,only two points:

1- if it is aimed at younger people,why use a mostly niche and old school Ip as Thundercats?

2- I will be thankful that it spawned a new wave of memes,so i'm glad it exists

[Mighty Attack Tribble]

May 22, 2018 11:06:15 GMT -5 Dub H said:

1- if it is aimed at younger people,why use a mostly niche and old school Ip as Thundercats?

Repackaging something that sold well to a previous generation of kids and trying to sell it to the current generation of kids is a long-established business model. Some IPs are more niche than others, but the principle remains the same: if kids loved something in the past it's worth seeing if kids will love it today.

[Dub H]

May 22, 2018 11:16:50 GMT -5 Mighty Attack Tribble said:

May 22, 2018 11:06:15 GMT -5 Dub H said:

1- if it is aimed at younger people,why use a mostly niche and old school Ip as Thundercats?

Repackaging something that sold well to a previous generation of kids and trying to sell it to the current generation of kids is a long-established business model. Some IPs are more niche than others, but the principle remains the same: if kids loved something in the past it's worth seeing if kids will love it today.

Fair reasoning,but I think that is a sympton of my bigger issues, studies that see "Wow,this made money back then,lets do it" and not "Wow,i see HOW this made money back then". PPG reboot suffered greatly of this.

TTG at least was fresh,it is current superhero boom, it had similar humour at some scenes.

Thundercats just feels much more randomly chosen.

[Malcolm]

For me it's less "muh childhood" and more "CN isn't even trying anymore". Between this the ppg reboot and the Ben 10 reboot, it's all so samey.

[BorneAgain]

It's going to be interesting to see how Western Animation in this decade is going to be viewed in hindsight. While certain follow-ups/reimaginings have proven acclaimed (MLP, Ducktales) it seems like the real big critical successes have been original programming (Adventure Time, Steven Universe, Regular Show, Gravity Falls, Rick & Morty, Archer, Bojack, etc)

On the other hand DC and Marvel cartoons of well known comic characters have left little impact (outside more original groups like Young Justice), re-imaginings of past shows like Teen Titans G or Powerpuff Girls have large hatedoms online, sequel shows such as Korra proved mixed successes, and now even reboots of Thundercats and uh... Reboot have gotten criticized before even airing.

A fascinating contrast to the 2000s which certainly had similar kinds of sequels/follow-ups/re imaginings but didn't have the same level of negative reception. Is there that bit a difference in the quality of shows or just more hate online? Who knows?

[chrom]

So Cheetara is now a guy as well?

[HMARK Center]

May 22, 2018 11:36:31 GMT -5 Malcolm said:

For me it's less "muh childhood" and more "CN isn't even trying anymore". Between this the ppg reboot and the Ben 10 reboot, it's all so samey.

And there's no problem with thinking that, but life goes on, right? This the phase CN's in, if kids like it they'll keep doing it and if they don't they won't.

I'm 33 years old, and to be fair I don't have kids so I'm not being subjected to whatever's on a channel like CN all throughout the day, but it simply isn't aimed at me or anyone near my age, so our opinions don't really count for much since we're not the target/advertising demographic. If I was the one in charge of such a channel and I didn't have to worry about advertisers and whatnot, things like Legend of Korra would've had a consistent time slot, there would've been a new Sonic the Hedgehog SatAM show instead of Sonic X, the 2002 He-Man would've been allowed to last longer, or Reboot would've been brought back in something closer to its original form...but I'm not the target, and these suits do have to worry about advertisers and whatnot.

But yeah, a simple "I'm not big on what they're doing" is fine, that's just an opinion that anyone of any age could have and be perfectly justified. It's the people throwing an online shit-fit over the whole thing that are creating a strange, toxic environment around a children's show/channel.

[BayleyTiffyCodyCenaJudyHopps]

May 22, 2018 16:27:17 GMT -5 HMARK Center said:

May 22, 2018 11:36:31 GMT -5 Malcolm said:

For me it's less "muh childhood" and more "CN isn't even trying anymore". Between this the ppg reboot and the Ben 10 reboot, it's all so samey.

And there's no problem with thinking that, but life goes on, right? This the phase CN's in, if kids like it they'll keep doing it and if they don't they won't.

I'm 33 years old, and to be fair I don't have kids so I'm not being subjected to whatever's on a channel like CN all throughout the day, but it simply isn't aimed at me or anyone near my age, so our opinions don't really count for much since we're not the target/advertising demographic. If I was the one in charge of such a channel and I didn't have to worry about advertisers and whatnot, things like Legend of Korra would've had a consistent time slot, there would've been a new Sonic the Hedgehog SatAM show instead of Sonic X, the 2002 He-Man would've been allowed to last longer, or Reboot would've been brought back in something closer to its original form...but I'm not the target, and these suits do have to worry about advertisers and whatnot.

But yeah, a simple "I'm not big on what they're doing" is fine, that's just an opinion that anyone of any age could have and be perfectly justified. It's the people throwing an online shit-fit over the whole thing that are creating a strange, toxic environment around a children's show/channel.

Damn, your network would have been amazing.

Can you get the rights to Exo Squad?

[Joe Neglia]

May 22, 2018 11:23:09 GMT -5 Dub H said:

Fair reasoning,but I think that is a sympton of my bigger issues, studies that see "Wow,this made money back then,lets do it" and not "Wow,i see HOW this made money back then". PPG reboot suffered greatly of this.

How Thundercats made money in the '80s wouldn't be feasible today. The backbone was a toy line during one of the strongest periods for figure lines ever, with a pre-sold syndicated show of 65 episodes at a time, to an audience that had completely different sensibilities. Things have to be adjusted to what works today.

As far as the show goes, eh. I'm not a current cartoon watcher anyway, so it's not my thing. My Thundercats is perfectly safe in my memory and in history and in all the bajillion DVDs and toys and whatnot that are still floating around. I'm still mega-pissed the Mattel Classics line folded after only five figures, but maybe this could serve as a launching point for it to be revived and continued by someone. Even with the new show, new merch for the classic stuff won't completely disappear.

[BrodietheSlayer]

May 21, 2018 4:20:20 GMT -5 Eunös ✈ said:

I can't help but roll my eyes when someone is like "NO, THEY'VE RUINED MY CHILDHOOD..THEY'VE RUINED THE OLD SHOW"

1. No, your childhood is not ruined because your childhood has happened, that part of your life has been and gone. Unless you are somehow able to reform yourself into a kid, that part of your life can no longer be edited.

2. The old show is not ruined, the old show still exists. If you really want to you can pick up old DVD's of the show.


Now look, I'm not saying that you can't have a negative opinion looking at this new TC cartoon, of course you can.. For what its worth I agree the animation is a bit meh looking. However I do feel some need to tone it down (Not aimed at anyone here). Neither your childhood or the old show is effected by this.

Who knows?, it might actually end up being really good. On the other hand it might really suck.

If it's the latter then I suggest ignoring it and go back to something you do like.

Yeah, if remaking/sequel-izing something "badly" is "Ruining Your Childhood," then you must have had a pretty empty ass childhood. I agree with you....if you don't want to watch it. Don't. Break out your seasons (or watch it online) of the old school show and watch that instead.

[Dub H]

May 23, 2018 1:48:12 GMT -5 Joe Neglia said:

May 22, 2018 11:23:09 GMT -5 Dub H said:

Fair reasoning,but I think that is a sympton of my bigger issues, studies that see "Wow,this made money back then,lets do it" and not "Wow,i see HOW this made money back then". PPG reboot suffered greatly of this.

How Thundercats made money in the '80s wouldn't be feasible today. The backbone was a toy line during one of the strongest periods for figure lines ever, with a pre-sold syndicated show of 65 episodes at a time, to an audience that had completely different sensibilities. Things have to be adjusted to what works today.

As far as the show goes, eh. I'm not a current cartoon watcher anyway, so it's not my thing. My Thundercats is perfectly safe in my memory and in history and in all the bajillion DVDs and toys and whatnot that are still floating around. I'm still mega-pissed the Mattel Classics line folded after only five figures, but maybe this could serve as a launching point for it to be revived and continued by someone. Even with the new show, new merch for the classic stuff won't completely disappear.

I meant how in the sense of "how does it appeal,how does it sell".

Just tacking an Old IP into sokemething 100% different is not adjusting.Which i'm not angry about I just think it is poorly planned

[The Dark Order Inferno]

It's easy to say 'oh, it's not for you' and 'you still have your dvds and can stream the old series.' But that's no replacement for having something new and, you know, good and does nothing to alleviate the disappointment when a new series is ugly or misses the mark on everything that worked about the original. This feels like hearing that the WWE are finally going to revive WCW as a seperate brand, only to find out that the plan is to have it be a Network exclusive comedy series starring Adam Sandler, Santino Morella and one of the lesser known Kardashians, because the Kardashians are popular.

The problem with things like this and the ReBoot reboot, is if they fail that's most likely it for the franchise for another ten or twenty years as it'll be the source material that gets blamed and not what they did to it. TV executives and their decisions are never at fault for failures.

[HMARK Center]

May 23, 2018 8:18:47 GMT -5 The Dark Order Inferno said:

It's easy to say 'oh, it's not for you' and 'you still have your dvds and can stream the old series.' But that's no replacement for having something new and, you know, good and does nothing to alleviate the disappointment when a new series is ugly or misses the mark on everything that worked about the original. This feels like hearing that the WWE are finally going to revive WCW as a seperate brand, only to find out that the plan is to have it be a Network exclusive comedy series starring Adam Sandler, Santino Morella and one of the lesser known Kardashians, because the Kardashians are popular.

The problem with things like this and the ReBoot reboot, is if they fail that's most likely it for the franchise for another ten or twenty years as it'll be the source material that gets blamed and not what they did to it. TV executives and their decisions are never at fault for failures.

But the point is that any new version that gets made, good or bad as it may be, still won't be aimed at you or me or just about anybody else posting here, not so long as the show airs on something like Cartoon Network (during non-Adult Swim hours). Go ahead and say "man, the new one's disappointing", that's perfectly fine, but reality is that they're not going to care about those of us who aren't in Cartoon Network's prime advertising demographic, so getting worked up beyond that accomplishes exactly nothing except to, in the extreme cases out there right now, create a toxic environment around a children's TV show.

If this relaunch fails, then they're right back to where things were before: Thundercats being a popular 80s property that got one reboot attempt in 2011 that was good but ill-fated. If the relaunch never happened, then there's no Thundercats on TV at all. That's the extent of it. Plus if they're willing to try again with the property less than ten years after the 2011 attempt, I think that means that even if it's not very good it doesn't kill the franchise.

[Deleted]

I kind of want to see how wacky the show gets if they do the Anointment Trials.