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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2018 13:10:59 GMT -5
Roman about to slide that WWE World Heavyweight Title over his shoulder once more.
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Rican
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Post by Rican on May 21, 2018 13:11:01 GMT -5
I hope a side effect of this is that they cut back some on their insane travel schedule. I know that's where a lot of the talent sees money come in from but hopefully with such massive TV money they're able to make up the difference in fewer live shows. Also, with even more of an incentive to put on quality shows I would imagine they'll want to risk injury to major talent even less now and cutting back on travel and house shows would help with that.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on May 21, 2018 13:11:14 GMT -5
f*** that’s huge. WWE made out like bandits in these TV deals. They did, and yet, it doesn’t feel like that bad a deal for Fox. They’re covering two hours of prime time for slightly under $4 million a week, one has to imagine that an hourlong show has to cost at least $2 million an episode to produce, if not somewhat more. What would have been interesting if they were still doing brand split PPVs and they could have entertained getting 2-3 a year on Fox for them to show |
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Post by abjordans on May 21, 2018 13:11:36 GMT -5
I think these latest 2 moves with Raw and Smackdown have pretty much guaranteed that WWE will be around at least the rest of our lifetime’s pretty much, right? If you are a fan of their product, this is a great thing. And a great thing for the wrestling business, because for years to come great performers are going to dream of being in the WWE. They are continue to work in PWG, NJPW, ROH, Progress, Rev Pro, Impact, etc to get there. So, a beautiful circle of life continues in pro wrestling. If you are a fan of the modern day professional wrestling industry, this is a giant move. Smackdown just got a lot of eyes on it.
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Post by Perd on May 21, 2018 13:11:45 GMT -5
The big reason Fox wanted SD is because it’s live programming. It being on Friday does present logistical problems. But WWE just got a billion reasons is to make it work.
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Post by cjh on May 21, 2018 13:11:51 GMT -5
I don't see how it works unless SD is taped or USA moves Raw to Thursdays. The whole reason WWE has held Smackdown on Tuesdays since it started is so the TV crew works Monday/Tuesday and then goes home. If you have SD on Friday and Raw on Monday, what do the TV crew do on the weekend? They're either stuck in a hotel without a show to do, or they fly home on Saturday morning and fly out again on Sunday afternoon/night. You just change the TV taping or add another crew. For a billion dollars, it isn’t that hard of a task. Again, the only thing you can do if SD has to be live on Fridays is do Raw on Thursday. I'm not sure if WWE would want to hire a whole second TV crew because the whole idea here is that they're going to make more money while spending the same. |
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Post by Jonathan Michaels on May 21, 2018 13:12:18 GMT -5
Hulu is co-owned by by Fox,NBU Universal,Turner and Disney. Basically the only way WWE shows would no longer be on Hulu is if they had signed with CBS or HBO Unless/until the Disney deal goes through. Hulu is part of what Disney is buying. Think about this now. Disney buys Fox’s share of Hulu, Fox makes a deal with WWE Network to put their shows there. |
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Post by tankisfreemason on May 21, 2018 13:17:15 GMT -5
So, non-American here, I know of FOX (Simpsons home, and drawing a swift veil over their internationally famous news channel), but I know NBC too. How much of a bigger deal is this for the WWE? Huge deal. First reason, Fox is a national broadcast station, they have insane money to spend. Disney is currently in a bidding to buy Fox, I don’t know how much this will relate to WWE, but Disney has even more to spend. Now, back to the national broadcast station, they’re a basic channel network. Anybody with an antenna can get a Fox broadcast, as opposed to USA which is a Cable subscription based network. As well, if Fox puts this on their basic network, it will draw NBC/Universal (Who still owns the rights to Raw) to do the same with their basic Chanel, especially if it proves great results for the Fox network. If that happens with Raw, I’m pretty sure that comes with a new line of negotiation between NBC/Universal and WWE, which would mean more money for WWE. Basically, things are looking up right now for WWE Corporate and Stockholders. |
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Post by Raw is Doodie101 on May 21, 2018 13:17:45 GMT -5
You just change the TV taping or add another crew. For a billion dollars, it isn’t that hard of a task. Again, the only thing you can do if SD has to be live on Fridays is do Raw on Thursday. I'm not sure if WWE would want to hire a whole second TV crew because the whole idea here is that they're going to make more money while spending the same. The Cost of getting a second crew is like at most gotta be 10 million dollars. That’s a drop in the bucket when you’re getting 200 Million a year for 5 years. It just isn’t that big of a deal. |
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Post by Chainsaw on May 21, 2018 13:18:23 GMT -5
I still am not impressed that WWE is being so richly rewarded for having a very mediocre product right now where nothing means anything anymore, but hey, that's the world right now. :/
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Post by The Captain on May 21, 2018 13:18:38 GMT -5
I think these latest 2 moves with Raw and Smackdown have pretty much guaranteed that WWE will be around at least the rest of our lifetime’s pretty much, right? If you are a fan of their product, this is a great thing. And a great thing for the wrestling business, because for years to come great performers are going to dream of being in the WWE. They are continue to work in PWG, NJPW, ROH, Progress, Rev Pro, Impact, etc to get there. So, a beautiful circle of life continues in pro wrestling. If you are a fan of the modern day professional wrestling industry, this is a giant move. Smackdown just got a lot of eyes on it. It's amazing for WWE from a business standpoint.
For pro wrestling in general, I don't see how WWE's virtual monopoly getting even stronger is anything but harmful for everyone else. Wrestling was at its best when you had two major companies, WWE and WCW, slogging it out for fans and ratings (and the ratings for both Raw and Nitro during those days dwarf anything Raw or SDL does these days). Competition is great for an industry and this move hurts competition. It also hurts the dominant company's creative output as they have little incentive to actually improve their product.
As for how this will last for the rest of our lives, eh. Never say never, especially when greed and lots of money are involved.
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Post by 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger on May 21, 2018 13:22:15 GMT -5
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Post by Gerard Gerard on May 21, 2018 13:24:04 GMT -5
Smackdown's has had a hell of a decade, from the MyNetwork TV depths of multi-show tapings to the nadir of 2010 and having Swagger as its top-line to now commanding a billion quid. Christ on a bike. Hell, having suffered through Kami, Jinder, Dolph Ziggler's Tour de Fart, general Baron Corbin-ness and teasing a Daniel Bryan heel-turn in 2017, this show has officially entered the realm of bulletproof.
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Post by Legion on May 21, 2018 13:24:44 GMT -5
Raw is stil worth $400M a year, this deal is multi year, so only really $200M a year.
Raw will still be the A show
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Post by abjordans on May 21, 2018 13:25:04 GMT -5
I think these latest 2 moves with Raw and Smackdown have pretty much guaranteed that WWE will be around at least the rest of our lifetime’s pretty much, right? If you are a fan of their product, this is a great thing. And a great thing for the wrestling business, because for years to come great performers are going to dream of being in the WWE. They are continue to work in PWG, NJPW, ROH, Progress, Rev Pro, Impact, etc to get there. So, a beautiful circle of life continues in pro wrestling. If you are a fan of the modern day professional wrestling industry, this is a giant move. Smackdown just got a lot of eyes on it. It's amazing for WWE from a business standpoint.
For pro wrestling in general, I don't see how WWE's virtual monopoly getting even stronger is anything but harmful for everyone else. Wrestling was at its best when you had two major companies, WWE and WCW, slogging it out for fans and ratings (and the ratings for both Raw and Nitro during those days dwarf anything Raw or SDL does these days). Competition is great for an industry and this move hurts competition. It also hurts the dominant company's creative output as they have little incentive to actually improve their product.
As for how this will last for the rest of our lives, eh. Never say never, especially when greed and lots of money are involved.
No company is ever going to compete with WWE at this point. So, just them being there insures that the pro wrestling business continues on in some form. If WWE were to fail, it isn’t going to be something that would benefit another wrestling company, it would just kill the business as a whole. And as long as WWE continues on, other companies will continue for people to ply their trade. |
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Post by Steveweiser on May 21, 2018 13:25:49 GMT -5
So, non-American here, I know of FOX (Simpsons home, and drawing a swift veil over their internationally famous news channel), but I know NBC too. How much of a bigger deal is this for the WWE? Huge deal. First reason, Fox is a national broadcast station, they have insane money to spend. Disney is currently in a bidding to buy Fox, I don’t know how much this will relate to WWE, but Disney has even more to spend. Now, back to the national broadcast station, they’re a basic channel network. Anybody with an antenna can get a Fox broadcast, as opposed to USA which is a Cable subscription based network. As well, if Fox puts this on their basic network, it will draw NBC/Universal (Who still owns the rights to Raw) to do the same with their basic Chanel, especially if it proves great results for the Fox network. If that happens with Raw, I’m pretty sure that comes with a new line of negotiation between NBC/Universal and WWE, which would mean more money for WWE. Basically, things are looking up right now for WWE Corporate and Stockholders. Wasn't the whole point that Disney bought the production studio along with most of the cable networks with the exception of the main FOX channel, FOX News and FS1/FS2? |
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2018 13:26:37 GMT -5
See, now I'm mostly loving WWE right now so I'm glad they got this.
The roster is more interesting than it's been in a long time and wrestling is great. But then, I only watch the ppv's and youtube clips. I hunt down any matches I hear are worth seeing.
Best way to watch. :-p
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Post by BayleyTiffyCodyCenaJudyHopps on May 21, 2018 13:28:26 GMT -5
So all in all, WWE’s got a lot of financial wiggle room to work with. If their creative doesn’t improve or Smackdown on Fox has a bunch of boring feuds, they won’t be going out of business any time soon but they’ll have spoiled a major opportunity.
But if they can find an over superstar who could be that fresh ace, and if they give them some strong challengers, they’re going to reap plenty of rewards.
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Post by tankisfreemason on May 21, 2018 13:29:07 GMT -5
Huge deal. First reason, Fox is a national broadcast station, they have insane money to spend. Disney is currently in a bidding to buy Fox, I don’t know how much this will relate to WWE, but Disney has even more to spend. Now, back to the national broadcast station, they’re a basic channel network. Anybody with an antenna can get a Fox broadcast, as opposed to USA which is a Cable subscription based network. As well, if Fox puts this on their basic network, it will draw NBC/Universal (Who still owns the rights to Raw) to do the same with their basic Chanel, especially if it proves great results for the Fox network. If that happens with Raw, I’m pretty sure that comes with a new line of negotiation between NBC/Universal and WWE, which would mean more money for WWE. Basically, things are looking up right now for WWE Corporate and Stockholders. Wasn't the whole point that Disney bought the production studio along with most of the cable networks with the exception of the main FOX channel, FOX News and FS1/FS2? As of now Disney apparently hasn’t bought anything, no deal has gone through. I know Comcast is trying to cut Disney’s throat in the deal. I also don’t know for sure what the deal was, if it was for Fox as a whole, and couple of their channels or just their movie department. |
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on May 21, 2018 13:29:56 GMT -5
There is nothing worse for wrestling right now than an over-complacent WWE that just doesn't give a shit. Smackdown plummeted in quality over the past year and change and now it's getting 200 mil a year not because it's thriving must-see television, but because Vince has a very specific kind of product that is damn near quality-agnostic as far as TV channels paying them big money goes. The lesson that Vince can shit out whatever he wants and get more money for it even as more and more people walk away from his product is not by any conceivable measure a good thing for the wrestling business, or for us as viewers. It will just breed further complacency.
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