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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2018 12:57:21 GMT -5
Regular Fox and not FS1?
Jesus. Vince can sell water to a whale. He’s been on auto pilot for 15 years and can still get people to give him their money, both fans and networks.
And yeah, SD will be the main show now. Roman’s working Tuesday’s in a year (with the same shitty character and crowd reactions).
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Post by The Captain on May 21, 2018 12:58:13 GMT -5
This is probably one of the biggest days in Wrestling history. This changes everything about how we judge the business. Ticket sales don’t matter anymore. PPVs don’t matter anymore. Wrestlers as draws will be harder to judge. So many interesting angles for us to talk about for next 18 months. Super excited. I don't get how a company not needing to worry about making its paying customers happy because they got a massive deal with a broadcast network will result in anything positive from a creative standpoint. WWE is absolutely set for the next five years in terms of finances, but if anything that will just mean it's more likely they'll continue doing what they're already doing until 2023 or so when maybe they'll amp it up to get Fox to renew their deal. |
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Post by thetower52 on May 21, 2018 12:58:25 GMT -5
A billion dollars.
Holy shit
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Post by Jonathan Michaels on May 21, 2018 12:58:49 GMT -5
Holy shit, they actually got the $400+ million.
I would say I called it, but this is beyond even what I was saying.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2018 12:58:56 GMT -5
Oh wow, I just read it's moving back to Fridays, so those impressed feelings I had a little while ago are lessened quite a bit here. I could be WAY off base here, but how are WWE going to react when SDL stars beating RAW in the ratings? ....I'm curious if a dead zone Friday spot can outperform RAW on Mondays, and terrified if it cannot... EDIT: NEVER MIND. I literally didn't factor in that WWE advertising will be on NFL & MLB programming now. HUGENESS RECONFIRMED. |
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Post by RadcapRadsley on May 21, 2018 12:59:15 GMT -5
At this point does WWE even have to worry about ticket sales ? If the fanbase doesn't grow then their business model is problematic in 10-15 years. Right now you have a smaller hardcore fanbase who will eventually age out of the advertister friendly 18-49 demo and are not being replaced by youngun's. You can get away with it now thanks to the live tv rights bubble, but that might pop the next time WWE contract is up. |
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Post by 111111 on May 21, 2018 12:59:36 GMT -5
So this is the end of the brand split right?
The talent is spread thin as is, they have a whole lot of upper midcarders the hardcore fans like but very few legit main event draws, not enough to maintain two shows of this scale.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2018 13:01:10 GMT -5
f*** that’s huge. WWE made out like bandits in these TV deals.
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Post by Steveweiser on May 21, 2018 13:01:11 GMT -5
When I first heard that Fox was interested in Smackdown I was wondering if they would have to be preempted one week a year for the World Series. Airing on Fridays where they usually don't have games solves that. So will it be back to taped shows again for Smackdown if it’s on Fridays? FOX are not paying a billion over five years for a taped show. WWE will have to change its taping schedule and get the trucks on the road for a Friday. As for the World Series, the last couple of years have had a game on a Friday (usually Game 4 or 5), so I think SmackDown would get bumped to FS1 that week. |
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Post by The Captain on May 21, 2018 13:02:49 GMT -5
I could be WAY off base here, but how are WWE going to react when SDL stars beating RAW in the ratings? In the past, ego about Raw being the "flagship show" trumped good business sense when Smackdown, regardless if it was on network or cable, matched or even surpassed Raw in the ratings. And they'd all-but-sabotage Smackdown to make Raw more attractive. Not sure if that will happen now because even with Vince being Vince, there's different people in executive spots now than there were then. |
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2018 13:04:35 GMT -5
WWE is making a killing while the fans are pulling their hair out lmao. I wonder how it'll be. Will they listen to the people complaining now or will they say "nah f*** em" even more now? Fans won't cause em to change a thing. Networks and money though? Different story. Vince won’t change shit. The fans who complain will still give him their money and now he has big money from two different companies for TV rights. And he gets promo from ESPN. Unreal. Vince is out of touch but not when it comes to dollars. If anything, Vince might coast even more than he already has. I wouldn’t blame him. |
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Post by Raw is Doodie101 on May 21, 2018 13:04:48 GMT -5
So this is the end of the brand split right? The talent is spread thin as is, they have a whole lot of upper midcarders the hardcore fans like but very few legit main event draws, not enough to maintain two shows if this scale. Brand Split becomes even more important when you’re dealing with two different networks and it probably allowed them to sell it as different unique brands. |
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on May 21, 2018 13:05:34 GMT -5
 At this point does WWE even have to worry about ticket sales ? Meltzer said this last week The SDL crew doesn't have to do SHIT anymore. They're set for the next 5 years. Moral of the story, for all the complaining about how the product has been bad (and it has been) due to Vince not giving a f***
That man is a f***ing incredible business man. A five year deal with Vince being in his mid to late 70s at the end of this. HHH is looking at E-Z street right now
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Post by Jonathan Michaels on May 21, 2018 13:05:57 GMT -5
f*** that’s huge. WWE made out like bandits in these TV deals. They did, and yet, it doesn’t feel like that bad a deal for Fox. They’re covering two hours of prime time for slightly under $4 million a week, one has to imagine that an hourlong show has to cost at least $2 million an episode to produce, if not somewhat more. |
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Post by cjh on May 21, 2018 13:06:55 GMT -5
So will it be back to taped shows again for Smackdown if it’s on Fridays? I say you don't spend that kind of money for taped programming these days. I don't see how it works unless SD is taped or USA moves Raw to Thursdays. The whole reason WWE has held Smackdown on Tuesdays since it started is so the TV crew works Monday/Tuesday and then goes home. If you have SD on Friday and Raw on Monday, what do the TV crew do on the weekend? They're either stuck in a hotel without a show to do, or they fly home on Saturday morning and fly out again on Sunday afternoon/night. |
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Post by Raw is Doodie101 on May 21, 2018 13:08:13 GMT -5
I say you don't spend that kind of money for taped programming these days. I don't see how it works unless SD is taped or USA moves Raw to Thursdays. The whole reason WWE has held Smackdown on Tuesdays since it started is so the TV crew works Monday/Tuesday and then goes home. If you have SD on Friday and Raw on Monday, what do the TV crew do on the weekend? They're either stuck in a hotel without a show to do, or they fly home on Saturday morning and fly out again on Sunday afternoon/night. You just change the TV taping or add another crew. For a billion dollars, it isn’t that hard of a task. |
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2018 13:08:13 GMT -5
At this point does WWE even have to worry about ticket sales ? If the fanbase doesn't grow then their business model is problematic in 10-15 years. Right now you have a smaller hardcore fanbase who will eventually age out of the advertister friendly 18-49 demo and are not being replaced by youngun's. You can get away with it now thanks to the live tv rights bubble, but that might pop the next time WWE contract is up. That is how I am looking at it....they are set financially for the next 5yrs..but that fanbase isn't growing and having all the money and no fans seems pretty damn bad in the long run. It is a funny sort of two way street.....WWE gets more money but the smaller promotions are the ones gaining the fans. |
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on May 21, 2018 13:08:56 GMT -5
So this is the end of the brand split right? The talent is spread thin as is, they have a whole lot of upper midcarders the hardcore fans like but very few legit main event draws, not enough to maintain two shows of this scale. Depends
SD may not get the occasional legend just like Raw gets
Also i'm sure they will be reaching out to people who have said no to them before or maybe even guys on the indies seen this number and see there is money to be made
Best believe Omega, Cody, Bucks will be getting the calls again soon
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on May 21, 2018 13:09:44 GMT -5
Wonder if this means no more of either on hulu? Or would that not change? Hulu is co-owned by by Fox,NBU Universal,Turner and Disney. Basically the only way WWE shows would no longer be on Hulu is if they had signed with CBS or HBO Unless/until the Disney deal goes through. Hulu is part of what Disney is buying. |
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Post by Raw is Doodie101 on May 21, 2018 13:10:24 GMT -5
If the fanbase doesn't grow then their business model is problematic in 10-15 years. Right now you have a smaller hardcore fanbase who will eventually age out of the advertister friendly 18-49 demo and are not being replaced by youngun's. You can get away with it now thanks to the live tv rights bubble, but that might pop the next time WWE contract is up. That is how I am looking at it....they are set financially for the next 5yrs..but that fanbase isn't growing and having all the money and no fans seems pretty damn bad in the long run. It is a funny sort of two way street.....WWE gets more money but the smaller promotions are the ones gaining the fans. WWE also gets more exposure from this as they’ll be promoted on the NFL and MLB season. So they will gain new fans out of the deal as well. |
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