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Post by DZ: WF Legacy on May 22, 2018 22:31:28 GMT -5
My ideal situation with this is Nakamura wins the title here, wins at ER against Bryan/AJ in a triple threat, loses the belt to Bryan at SummerSlam. Short little run and a feud with Bryan.
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Post by Ryushinku on May 23, 2018 3:08:49 GMT -5
I hope the bout starts with them both immediately kicking each other in the balls, writhing around on the mat, barely making it up at 9 and then continuing.
Get the joke in early.
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Post by Mozenrath on May 23, 2018 3:17:16 GMT -5
Whatever they do, they have to stop doing Last Man Standing matches that rely on gimmicks to get to the ending. When the psychology is "I despise you so much, I only want to win if I can brutalize you enough to get you to stay down for an entire ten count", stupid stuff like duct tape, handcuffs, etc. shouldn't enter into it. Let the two characters involved go ham on one another and both will almost undoubtedly come out looking better for it; rely on gimmickry and nobody gets over. I think the duct tape was honestly a genius ending. Heel Batista having a meltdown about it was great, and I think it worked coming from someone like Cena. I certainly don't want every LMS match to end with stuff like that, but bringing that level of indignation out of Douchetista was a thing of beauty.
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Post by Mozenrath on May 23, 2018 3:40:28 GMT -5
My ideal situation with this is Nakamura wins the title here, wins at ER against Bryan/AJ in a triple threat, loses the belt to Bryan at SummerSlam. Short little run and a feud with Bryan. Whether he loses the belt to Bryan or someone else, I do definitely think he is the kind of guy who doesn't need the title longterm, but does still need to have won it at least briefly to solidify him as a top guy.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2018 4:15:28 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure AJ wins but then is cashed in on.
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Post by clifford on May 23, 2018 4:49:19 GMT -5
There is going to be a lot of pissed off people come the end of the ppv
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Post by 4real on May 23, 2018 5:40:58 GMT -5
I just can't believe they're having ANOTHER match that could possibly end in a double countout. Watch them do it again! Yep I'm fully expecting it. I can't see Nakamura getting the belt at this rate.
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Post by héad.casé on May 23, 2018 5:45:21 GMT -5
He does, but I don't get the whole blaming Roaddogg thing that was mentioned in here earlier, when all he does is makes what Vince's ideas happen on TV. I don't see people blaming the Head RAW writer for how crap their booking is.
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Post by HMARK Center on May 23, 2018 6:10:50 GMT -5
Whatever they do, they have to stop doing Last Man Standing matches that rely on gimmicks to get to the ending. When the psychology is "I despise you so much, I only want to win if I can brutalize you enough to get you to stay down for an entire ten count", stupid stuff like duct tape, handcuffs, etc. shouldn't enter into it. Let the two characters involved go ham on one another and both will almost undoubtedly come out looking better for it; rely on gimmickry and nobody gets over. I think the duct tape was honestly a genius ending. Heel Batista having a meltdown about it was great, and I think it worked coming from someone like Cena. I certainly don't want every LMS match to end with stuff like that, but bringing that level of indignation out of Douchetista was a thing of beauty. Yeah, I should add the caveat I always tell myself whenever I discuss wrestling: there are always exceptions to the rules. A gimmicky ending can work if the story/characters involved are properly built for it, but it's like all of the steel cage matches where the entire thing becomes guys doing nothing but trying to escape and people interfering: the entire gimmick of a cage match is "nobody gets in, only one person gets out" with all the implications that carries, but they've messed around with the gimmick so much over the years that people go into cage matches expecting shenanigans instead of just a straight-up fight. It's part of a larger aversion so many wrestling companies have for 100% clean finishes with definitive winners and losers, which again can make sense in the right story circumstances but is ultimately less satisfying for the audience (see: how TNA basically sunk itself over the course of a decade). Most gimmick matches revolve around "I want to hurt you THIS badly before I beat you", but when WWE books most of their gimmick matches to lack that killer edge and instead just defaults to "look at the creative way so-and-so just won!", it hurts both the match gimmick itself over the long haul and lessens how impressive and/or heel-ish it might be when somebody wins one through "creative" means.
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Post by MrElijah on May 23, 2018 6:55:13 GMT -5
Duck tape!? Stoop that low!? That’s something Toru Yano would do! I have no faith in the WWE to give him a definitive win, so look for ridiculous shenanigans. Fixed That.
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Post by Gerard Gerard on May 23, 2018 7:37:14 GMT -5
They planted the seeds for Joe Vs Styles a little while back and I think that is why Styles will win here but Joe will win MITB and cash in on him. Nakamura sadly is the odd man out ..but this leaves Nakamura for Daniel Bryan. So Monkey paw scenario go. Would have to agree, just don't see where Nakamura goes post-MitB as champion. Styles has Miz and Joe as heels ready to go for something Summerslam worthy, not to mention the MitB case being around if they wanna go elsewhere. Nakamura has maybe Hardy, with Jeff not looking like a run at the top is in the cards anytime soon and maybe Daniel Bryan, with Bryan still has to get Miz off his back before anything else.
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Post by Dub H on May 23, 2018 7:47:24 GMT -5
They planted the seeds for Joe Vs Styles a little while back and I think that is why Styles will win here but Joe will win MITB and cash in on him. Nakamura sadly is the odd man out ..but this leaves Nakamura for Daniel Bryan. So Monkey paw scenario go. Would have to agree, just don't see where Nakamura goes post-MitB as champion. Styles has Miz and Joe as heels ready to go for something Summerslam worthy, not to mention the MitB case being around if they wanna go elsewhere. Nakamura has maybe Hardy, with Jeff not looking like a run at the top is in the cards anytime soon and maybe Daniel Bryan, with Bryan still has to get Miz off his back before anything else. I think Nakamura should get a short run at least. You can have him lose to Bryan,to Samoa Joe (if you want to turn him into a bad-ass face),some triple threats,you can evne use him to put over one of the mid-card talents like Rusev. I think very least 2 succefull title defenses is enough
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Post by Hypnosis on May 23, 2018 10:00:41 GMT -5
Nakamura should get a title reign, even if it's just for a short time, because otherwise, even though I'm liking his heel character, his turn's going to feel pointless if he still can't get the job done with a stipulation that he picked.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2018 10:06:42 GMT -5
The thing with Nakamura is that yeah, most of us think he'll lose and even if Styles gets cashed-in on at the end of the day that makes Styles, the guy who cashed in and to a degree Joe look good given Joe's in a great position as it is. Nakamura has to win or else he'll be the only guy looking bad here and that's the point. Even if Styles gets cashed in on, if Nakamura loses he'll continue to be the guy who can't get it done like Styles said. It doesn't matter if you like guys more than Nakamura, it doesn't matter if someone other than Styles has the belt, that's Nakamura not being a top guy considering he can't finish the job and that's an issue.
Nobody should take Nakamura seriously if he can't get this done anymore, no one. He could have easily won the belt for a month, lost it and be in a better position than not touching it at all.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on May 23, 2018 10:13:15 GMT -5
The thing with Nakamura is that yeah, most of us think he'll lose and even if Styles gets cashed-in on at the end of the day that makes Styles, the guy who cashed in and to a degree Joe look good given Joe's in a great position as it is. Nakamura has to win or else he'll be the only guy looking bad here and that's the point. Even if Styles gets cashed in on, if Nakamura loses he'll continue to be the guy who can't get it done like Styles said. It doesn't matter if you like guys more than Nakamura, it doesn't matter if someone other than Styles has the belt, that's Nakamura not being a top guy considering he can't finish the job and that's an issue. Nobody should take Nakamura seriously if he can't get this done anymore, no one. He could have easily won the belt for a month, lost it and be in a better position than not touching it at all. Even if Nakamura wins it here I think it's a little bit "too late". Not as far as him being taken seriously, but just for it to work. They spent two months building up their first fight with an absolute nothing of a build, and drew out this whole process way more than it had any right to. Nakamura could have turned heel at Mania, won the title, and had infinitely more impact than how booking Wrestlemania to lead to GRR to lead to Backlash to lead to MITB. Even ping-ponging the belt back and forth with MITB as the rubber match would have been more interesting than a bunch of non-finishes and choke jobs.
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Post by Nr1Humanoid on May 23, 2018 11:02:54 GMT -5
We'll all go into this with a new hope until the McMahon empire strikes back.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2018 21:17:45 GMT -5
kn: Nakamura cannot lose this Styles LMS match.
Vince: WANNA BET?!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2018 21:22:18 GMT -5
He boned.
Like, dude has officially lost clean after four straight title losses.
The feud is over; thanks for coming, Shinsuke.
So much for his career getting a new lease on life.
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Post by Slanted and Enchanted on Jun 17, 2018 21:41:03 GMT -5
Well, at least Nakamura won the Rumble. That's like equal to a title win or something right?
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Post by kidkamikaze10 on Jun 17, 2018 21:45:18 GMT -5
With what's going on with Asuka and Nakamura, there is an elephant in the room, and it's against forum rules to bring it up.
I just hope HHH is a lot better with this when he takes over. Both deserve title reigns.
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