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Post by cabbageboy on Jun 18, 2018 7:51:02 GMT -5
It's funny but last night I mentioned that Reigns would be better off going overseas for a while. At least the Japanese fans probably wouldn't crap all over him every night. It would also force him to work some kind of different matches.
What exactly did people think should be the ending to this Styles/Nakamura feud? I mean the guy has been hitting AJ in the nuts for months on end, so to me the right ending is finally AJ kicks him dead in the nuts in really vicious fashion, and hits a finisher on him and ends it once and for all.
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Post by Dub H on Jun 18, 2018 7:56:10 GMT -5
It's funny but last night I mentioned that Reigns would be better off going overseas for a while. At least the Japanese fans probably wouldn't crap all over him every night. It would also force him to work some kind of different matches. What exactly did people think should be the ending to this Styles/Nakamura feud? I mean the guy has been hitting AJ in the nuts for months on end, so to me the right ending is finally AJ kicks him dead in the nuts in really vicious fashion, and hits a finisher on him and ends it once and for all. Not every feud needs to end with the face winning the last match. AJ has already beaten Nakamura, he would leave the match just as protected. But winning this would have pushed Nakamura to the next level of dangerous.
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Post by paywindah on Jun 18, 2018 8:00:39 GMT -5
The extra money a popular Japanese wrestler could make in WWE isn’t even close to being worth dealing with that schedule. Travel and exposure, sure. But too much is made of the money. That schedule will get easier next year once the TV deals kick in. House shows will be drastically reduced to the point where the roster gets 4-5 days off per week. House shows will be less than 5% of revenue at that point so no reason to risk injury and burn out your TV stars performing in front of 2,300 people in Peoria.
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Post by cabbageboy on Jun 18, 2018 8:02:46 GMT -5
The problem is that there is nowhere really to go with Nakamura as champion. All he could hope for is a 1-2 month transition title run at best, or just drop it back to AJ. Smackdown has several directions to go in with AJ after this feud. There's the obvious Joe feud, or Miz, or Bryan.
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Post by The Trashman on Jun 18, 2018 8:21:19 GMT -5
This was probably the right finish for the match and feud but there is absolutely no reason for Nakamura to not have won at Mania.
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Post by ronin705 on Jun 18, 2018 8:31:23 GMT -5
Yup, gotta agree I'm not cool with super-aj being created off the demise of Nak. The fact that the crowd still sang his original theme, while we remixed his heel style to throw them off gives me hope though.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Jun 18, 2018 8:41:58 GMT -5
The extra money a popular Japanese wrestler could make in WWE isn’t even close to being worth dealing with that schedule. Travel and exposure, sure. But too much is made of the money. That schedule will get easier next year once the TV deals kick in. House shows will be drastically reduced to the point where the roster gets 4-5 days off per week. House shows will be less than 5% of revenue at that point so no reason to risk injury and burn out your TV stars performing in front of 2,300 people in Peoria. I haven't heard anything about reducing house shows and in truth I doubt it'll happen, WWE still generally turns a profit on those and the compan will want to make as much money as they can.
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Post by BorneAgain on Jun 18, 2018 8:55:11 GMT -5
Styles straight up called him out and said he can't get the job done when it counts when he mentioned his entire main roster career. That shit was powerful. He's got no more excuses. In hindsight they might as well as put this at the beginning of the PPV.
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Post by HMARK Center on Jun 18, 2018 9:23:09 GMT -5
That schedule will get easier next year once the TV deals kick in. House shows will be drastically reduced to the point where the roster gets 4-5 days off per week. House shows will be less than 5% of revenue at that point so no reason to risk injury and burn out your TV stars performing in front of 2,300 people in Peoria. I haven't heard anything about reducing house shows and in truth I doubt it'll happen, WWE still generally turns a profit on those and the compan will want to make as much money as they can. Yeah, I don't think there's any prayer of Vince willfully giving up profit just because it's not needed as much under the new contracts.
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Post by Shark on Jun 18, 2018 14:43:49 GMT -5
This was probably the right finish for the match and feud but there is absolutely no reason for Nakamura to not have won at Mania. Just finished the match and given the angle, AJ hitting that kind of brutal nut shot, I mean, that is one you just feel when you see it, but really, Nakamura should have used a low blow to to beat AJ for the title at Mania, have them both cost each other at GRR, do a draw at Backlash, then have AJ win the title back here, is the way they should have done it.
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Post by Nosnorb on Jun 18, 2018 15:36:40 GMT -5
Ladies and Gentlemen, the Choke Artist Known as Shinsuke Nakamura.
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Post by KofiMania on Jun 18, 2018 19:43:00 GMT -5
He’s an over heel now. It’s not a big deal if he lost a good, long, 3-month feud. Not everyone has to win the world title.
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Post by HMARK Center on Jun 18, 2018 20:18:31 GMT -5
He’s an over heel now. It’s not a big deal if he lost a good, long, 3-month feud. Not everyone has to win the world title. That's fine, but don't mostly job the guy out five times in two months in the process.
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Post by KofiMania on Jun 19, 2018 15:22:34 GMT -5
He’s an over heel now. It’s not a big deal if he lost a good, long, 3-month feud. Not everyone has to win the world title. That's fine, but don't mostly job the guy out five times in two months in the process. That’s not what happened at all. He lost to AJ at Mania, then they went to a draw at GRR and Backlash, then he beat AJ on Smackdown and then lost at MITB in a good back and forth match.
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Post by HMARK Center on Jun 20, 2018 0:32:16 GMT -5
That's fine, but don't mostly job the guy out five times in two months in the process. That’s not what happened at all. He lost to AJ at Mania, then they went to a draw at GRR and Backlash, then he beat AJ on Smackdown and then lost at MITB in a good back and forth match. Alright, "job" is too strong, but the point is you don't book the same match five times in two months and have your challenger constantly coming up short except for a TV match. That match began as a "dream match" pairing and then it became completely old hat and uninteresting as they came up with lame finishes to have draws, it didn't really serve to put either guy over but especially not Nakamura. I know, the comparison game is annoying, but the initial Okada/Omega dream match in early 2017 has resulted in only three more matches spaced over a year and a half. They've drained all the money they can get out of AJ/Nakamura in no time flat and managed to likely hurt it's drawing power as a program both in the present and the future.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2018 1:27:22 GMT -5
Even if they wanted to have the belt still be with AJ by the end, Nakamura should've won the belt at Greatest Royal Rumble then lost it back at Money in the Bank. All trying to win the belt four times and failing every go at it does is make Nakamura look like a complete chump.
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Post by KofiMania on Jun 20, 2018 7:42:01 GMT -5
That’s not what happened at all. He lost to AJ at Mania, then they went to a draw at GRR and Backlash, then he beat AJ on Smackdown and then lost at MITB in a good back and forth match. Alright, "job" is too strong, but the point is you don't book the same match five times in two months and have your challenger constantly coming up short except for a TV match. That match began as a "dream match" pairing and then it became completely old hat and uninteresting as they came up with lame finishes to have draws, it didn't really serve to put either guy over but especially not Nakamura. I know, the comparison game is annoying, but the initial Okada/Omega dream match in early 2017 has resulted in only three more matches spaced over a year and a half. They've drained all the money they can get out of AJ/Nakamura in no time flat and managed to likely hurt it's drawing power as a program both in the present and the future. They’ve definitely run through the feud, but I don’t see the problem with that with all of the high quality wrestlers on Smackdown. And again, maybe people are still harping on Nakamura coming up short against Jinder, but both AJ and Shinsuke were 1-1-2 goIng into the MITB rubber match. And they then put on a great match. Shinsuke will transition easily into a US title feud now and is still over.
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