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Post by El Cokehead del Knife Fight on Jun 17, 2018 23:12:45 GMT -5
What do you even do with Nakamura at this point? He's a choke artist and despite having an over character the WWE still just decide that he isn't right.
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Post by Hobby Drifter on Jun 17, 2018 23:14:17 GMT -5
The extra money a popular Japanese wrestler could make in WWE isn’t even close to being worth dealing with that schedule. Travel and exposure, sure. But too much is made of the money.
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Post by CubsFan71 on Jun 17, 2018 23:34:31 GMT -5
Like somebody in the live thread said, why would any Japanese wrestler wanna' jump to WWE after seeing how they've handled Nakamura and Asuka? No amount of money is worth being treated the way Nak and Asuka have been treated since joining the main roster
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Post by Doctor No on Jun 17, 2018 23:37:38 GMT -5
What do you even do with Nakamura at this point? He's a choke artist and despite having an over character the WWE still just decide that he isn't right. Anti-American gimmick BAY BAY!!
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Post by Dat Dude on Jun 18, 2018 0:19:29 GMT -5
We're never gonna see Nakamura or Asuka win world titles, are we? This is like corrupt a wish bad
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Post by Loser troll. Please ban me on Jun 18, 2018 0:21:00 GMT -5
We're never gonna see Nakamura or Asuka win world titles, are we? This is like corrupt a wish bad Vince hates Asians, He does, however, love to pretend Samoans are Asian, Which is his only compromise.
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Post by gbo86 on Jun 18, 2018 0:26:31 GMT -5
I adore AJ, but him winning was the absolute worst thing about MITB tonight.
Nakamura needed this badly. They're legitimately risking ruining one of the best things they've had going on.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jun 18, 2018 0:32:25 GMT -5
Like somebody in the live thread said, why would any Japanese wrestler wanna' jump to WWE after seeing how they've handled Nakamura and Asuka? I dont know if I was the one you saw but I definitely said it too Like what an absolute kick in the balls, ironically, for any Japanese WWE Fan. They both win the Royal Rumble, and then they both LOSE at Mania and have lost more and more since. Asuka's Aura is dead in the water and now she's just another girl, Nakamura is completely dead to rights and going heel seems completely pointless now. Just absolute dogshit. I don't want to go down the route as to why it's happening, I don't want to think WWE are that petty or why win the Rumbles in the first place? I just think the main crux is Vince is a man who hates change and especially hates giving the fans what they want.
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Post by Tea & Crumpets on Jun 18, 2018 1:18:33 GMT -5
Like somebody in the live thread said, why would any Japanese wrestler wanna' jump to WWE after seeing how they've handled Nakamura and Asuka? Asuka I don't think is ruined- she HAD to lose eventually, and as Braun is proving people will apparently turn on you if you're booked 'too strongly' as well. She couldn't be undefeated forever, she can't beat everyone forever or there's nothing to do with her as there's no threat or tension. And I say this as someone who is a huge, huge fan of her. I think Asuka will still be ok. Shinsuke though? Yeah he's done. If him and Ziggler had a title match together they'd find a way to both lose. I like Nakamura but I dunno if his body's just broken down hard from the WWE schedule but he is just a pale shadow of himself and has been booked into oblivion. I honestly hope he hightails it back to NJPW ASAP. And really, WWE are trying to stop NJPW becoming competition, right? Of the guys who've jumped, AJ's done great and Balor's got a pretty good push I'd say, considering his all-round ability, but Gallows/Anderson arent nearly as hot as they were in Bullet Club and Nakamura's just sad. That's a 50/50 chance of remaining a star if you jump, if WWE want to poach New Japan's top guys they're doing a poor job of tempting them, since I'm pretty sure it's been documented that NJPW's top stars earn close to WWE's top stars.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2018 1:30:42 GMT -5
Like somebody in the live thread said, why would any Japanese wrestler wanna' jump to WWE after seeing how they've handled Nakamura and Asuka? Asuka I don't think is ruined- she HAD to lose eventually, a nd as Braun is proving people will apparently turn on you if you're booked 'too strongly' as well. She couldn't be undefeated forever, she can't beat everyone forever or there's nothing to do with her as there's no threat or tension. And I say this as someone who is a huge, huge fan of her. I think Asuka will still be ok. Shinsuke though? Yeah he's done. If him and Ziggler had a title match together they'd find a way to both lose. I like Nakamura but I dunno if his body's just broken down hard from the WWE schedule but he is just a pale shadow of himself and has been booked into oblivion. I honestly hope he hightails it back to NJPW ASAP. And really, WWE are trying to stop NJPW becoming competition, right? Of the guys who've jumped, AJ's done great and Balor's got a pretty good push I'd say, considering his all-round ability, but Gallows/Anderson arent nearly as hot as they were in Bullet Club and Nakamura's just sad. That's a 50/50 chance of remaining a star if you jump, if WWE want to poach New Japan's top guys they're doing a poor job of tempting them, since I'm pretty sure it's been documented that NJPW's top stars earn close to WWE's top stars. Unlike Braun, Asuka has shown weaknesses. An example is the WM match with Charlotte. That isn't a good comparison. A lot of people aren't understanding people's issues with Strowman and chalking it up to him winning matches. That's not it.
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Post by Tea & Crumpets on Jun 18, 2018 1:33:29 GMT -5
Asuka I don't think is ruined- she HAD to lose eventually, a nd as Braun is proving people will apparently turn on you if you're booked 'too strongly' as well. She couldn't be undefeated forever, she can't beat everyone forever or there's nothing to do with her as there's no threat or tension. And I say this as someone who is a huge, huge fan of her. I think Asuka will still be ok. Shinsuke though? Yeah he's done. If him and Ziggler had a title match together they'd find a way to both lose. I like Nakamura but I dunno if his body's just broken down hard from the WWE schedule but he is just a pale shadow of himself and has been booked into oblivion. I honestly hope he hightails it back to NJPW ASAP. And really, WWE are trying to stop NJPW becoming competition, right? Of the guys who've jumped, AJ's done great and Balor's got a pretty good push I'd say, considering his all-round ability, but Gallows/Anderson arent nearly as hot as they were in Bullet Club and Nakamura's just sad. That's a 50/50 chance of remaining a star if you jump, if WWE want to poach New Japan's top guys they're doing a poor job of tempting them, since I'm pretty sure it's been documented that NJPW's top stars earn close to WWE's top stars. Unlike Braun, Asuka has shown weaknesses. An example is the WM match with Charlotte. That isn't a good comparison. A lot of people aren't understanding people's issues with Strowman and chalking it up to him winning matches. That's not it. I know what people's complaints are about Braun. Asuka was pretty similar until she lost to Charlotte though. She had no real weaknesses especially in NXT. People liked it.
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Post by Sparkybob on Jun 18, 2018 1:37:20 GMT -5
No amount of money is worth being treated the way Nak and Asuka have been treated since joining the main roster Pride does not feed the family.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2018 1:47:55 GMT -5
Unlike Braun, Asuka has shown weaknesses. An example is the WM match with Charlotte. That isn't a good comparison. A lot of people aren't understanding people's issues with Strowman and chalking it up to him winning matches. That's not it. I know what people's complaints are about Braun. Asuka was pretty similar until she lost to Charlotte though. She had no real weaknesses especially in NXT. People liked it. You can't use NXT booking to explain main roster choices. Asuka was undefeated on the main roster for 6 months. In the meantime however Asuka has shown weaknesses, more than Strowman has. In Asuka's first match with Emma on the main roster for example she was dominated which even the commentators said. Strowman has never been dominated like that in any of his single's matches even against Lesnar and Reigns. He's never been out strengthened like Asuka, never been worn down stamina-wise like Asuka, he's never dealt with these things. Asuka's weaknesses were shown on her first main roster match. Secondly, Strowman went to Raw and started this monster run in July 2016 and he's been doing this for about 2 years. In that entire time he hasn't submitted nor been pinned besides anyone other than Lesnar (OP #1) and Reigns (OP #2) which proves what people are saying. He's shown no real weaknesses.
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Post by Sparkybob on Jun 18, 2018 1:55:25 GMT -5
I think Nakamura was going to win the title during this fued at some point so either
A) He did not impress the boys in the back with his in ring stuff/character or B) They found a better Summerslam wwe title match.
Then again the booking staff could have just thought we need a filler program for AJ so he can face someone actually important at the bigger events.
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Post by Hobby Drifter on Jun 18, 2018 2:29:25 GMT -5
Can we have Nakamura and Asuka/Kana back, please? Tell ya what, send us Roman Reigns, too. He'd get over as hell as a NJPW heel.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Jun 18, 2018 2:46:46 GMT -5
What do you even do with Nakamura at this point? He's a choke artist and despite having an over character the WWE still just decide that he isn't right. OK, Nakamura got beat. Them's the facts, time to move on and have someone else step up to Styles. But he's still got an over character. That doesn't go away quickly unless they change that character completely. I mean, for all the years that Dolph Ziggler was thrown about, aborted pushes and title runs and all that, it was only early 2017, not even 18 months ago, that crowds stopped reacting to him completely. And he had stop-start pushes dating back nearly a decade from there. It's frustrating that Nakamura hasn't got a world title run out of all this, I understand it... But if we're going to place such a premium on crowd reactions dictating the narrative, we have to acknowledge how they're probably gonna be from here.
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Post by Ryushinku on Jun 18, 2018 2:49:42 GMT -5
It was a hell of a match, I thought. Just with the wrong winner.
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Post by Doctor No on Jun 18, 2018 3:07:09 GMT -5
I adore AJ, but him winning was the absolute worst thing about MITB tonight. Nakamura needed this badly. They're legitimately risking ruining one of the best things they've had going on. AJ is great but man he was terrible tonight with his last second stand ups. Two or three times tonight the count got to 9 and he just shot up to his feet.
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Post by CubsFan71 on Jun 18, 2018 4:48:38 GMT -5
No amount of money is worth being treated the way Nak and Asuka have been treated since joining the main roster Pride does not feed the family. True but Nak has been made to look like generic heel fodder #754679 and Asuka has been made to look like a complete dumbass.
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Post by HMARK Center on Jun 18, 2018 7:11:21 GMT -5
The extra money a popular Japanese wrestler could make in WWE isn’t even close to being worth dealing with that schedule. Travel and exposure, sure. But too much is made of the money. Oh yeah, the schedule is brutal no doubt, I just mean that the upside of what they could potentially earn is higher factoring in a three year WWE contract, WWE merch, more international TV exposure making things like autograph appearances more lucrative, etc. However, where I think there's a point to consider here is that I have to think people like Shinsuke and Kana looked at WWE as a great late career challenge, one of those bucket list types of things to see how well they could do on the biggest stage before they get too old to try...if this becomes a pattern where Asian stars are perpetually booked to lose like that, then that potential challenge, of seeing if you can make it to the top in the States, looks a lot less appealing since it'll feel like the deck is already stacked. As for Nakamura in WWE right now...guess you could have him beat Hardy and run with the US belt like it's the IWGP IC title?
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