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Post by Super Duper Dragunov on May 24, 2018 19:12:52 GMT -5
I still don't mind she lost, it's how she lost.
900 some odd days of build up to tap out to the first application of a ONE ARMED figure eight after about 15 seconds.
There was no drama in it whatsoever.
Should have just had her lose to Ember on her way out of NXT so Ember could get the rub. Or just have Asuka win and then have Carmella cash in that next Smackdown after the IIconics debut and beat down Asuka.
Carmella could have rode that heat wave for years. And it protects Asuka, something they didn't do, and now she just seems like another body.
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Post by Sephiroth on May 24, 2018 20:30:31 GMT -5
I maintain, a beyond ideal scenario: Asuka, as a heel, swaggers her way to the ring and declares her greatness and that no one can beat her. Kairi Sane makes her main roster debut accepting the challenge. Asuka acts totally dismissive of her and plays up to the crowd. The bell rings-and Asuka turns around right into a massive super kick that levels her. Kairi goes to the top, delivers the elbow, and gets the three. As soon as the referee’s hand hits the mat for three Asuka kicks out-and then flips out in the ring, looking totally shocked and infuriated as Kairi makes her way up the ramp celebrating. Now, perhaps this wasn’t the best scenario for ending the streak-but as a way of strapping a rocket to Kairi, or even anyone else in the same scenario, there really is no equal.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on May 24, 2018 20:34:05 GMT -5
Charlotte is the Queen, I'm all for giving her clout. But damn, she didn't need this one. It's a resume padder all things considered
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on May 24, 2018 20:36:55 GMT -5
I still don't mind she lost, it's how she lost. 900 some odd days of build up to tap out to the first application of a ONE ARMED figure eight after about 15 seconds. There was no drama in it whatsoever. Should have just had her lose to Ember on her way out of NXT so Ember could get the rub. Or just have Asuka win and then have Carmella cash in that next Smackdown after the IIconics debut and beat down Asuka. Carmella could have rode that heat wave for years. And it protects Asuka, something they didn't do, and now she just seems like another body. The problem is we have seen Asuka in NXT resort to cheating to keep her streak alive (and keep the title)
The match was good but it could have been even greater when you got Asuka or Charlotte resorting to underhand tactics to one up each other
She's still well protected but she's obviously cooled off. I rather they give her a little break because she ran threw the whole womens Raw roster 2 times over in 6 months
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Post by "American Cream" Dusty Loads on May 24, 2018 20:57:30 GMT -5
I feel like it was just them tryin to get it out of the way before they book themselves into a corner. Now she can wrestle without every match being "CAN CARMELLA BEAT THE STREAK?!?!"
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Post by BigAl on May 24, 2018 21:26:24 GMT -5
I maintain, a beyond ideal scenario: Asuka, as a heel, swaggers her way to the ring and declares her greatness and that no one can beat her. Kairi Sane makes her main roster debut accepting the challenge. Asuka acts totally dismissive of her and plays up to the crowd. The bell rings-and Asuka turns around right into a massive super kick that levels her. Kairi goes to the top, delivers the elbow, and gets the three. As soon as the referee’s hand hits the mat for three Asuka kicks out-and then flips out in the ring, looking totally shocked and infuriated as Kairi makes her way up the ramp celebrating. Now, perhaps this wasn’t the best scenario for ending the streak-but as a way of strapping a rocket to Kairi, or even anyone else in the same scenario, there really is no equal. And it would have been a great way to get Kairi over without her trying to do stupid promos to win over the audience as this would have done it, plus the fact that both have never faced each other in Japan would have been great for the fans as well. And if possible both could have gotten into a spat in Japanese and even if you don't understand a language I think would have been dramatically enough that would have meant something
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on May 24, 2018 21:36:03 GMT -5
Nah, I figure it had more to do with them wanting to build New Orleans as the place where streaks go to die. They really should have pushed that I don’t think they’ve mentioned that once. Well, there's no reason to...yet. Give it a few years when Mania returns to New Orleans, and if there's a decent streak going on at all, they can point to Undertaker and Asuka as bad omens for whoever has the win streak to beat.
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Post by 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger on May 24, 2018 21:37:30 GMT -5
My thing is that no one was lifted by it.
Charlotte was immediately beat by Carmella and the ending of the streak was a distant memory. It’s like if they had Brock beat Taker at mania and then lose the very next night to Erick Rowan.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on May 24, 2018 21:40:33 GMT -5
They QUICKLY made her just another woman on the roster. For good or ill, they made sure any mystique about her evaporated.
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Post by AwamoriRock on May 24, 2018 22:40:05 GMT -5
It was to showcase Ric Flair's daughter in front of their biggest mainstream/casual audience.
That was it lol
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2018 22:52:23 GMT -5
They really should have pushed that I don’t think they’ve mentioned that once. Well, there's no reason to...yet. Give it a few years when Mania returns to New Orleans, and if there's a decent streak going on at all, they can point to Undertaker and Asuka as bad omens for whoever has the win streak to beat. Talking about the last person that came into mania in New Orleans with a streak lost before the match would have been it least something cause while they ended up having an amazing match the build wasn’t anything special.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2018 0:12:21 GMT -5
The worst part wasn’t even her losing, it was her after the match basically saying “Charlotte you’re better than me” and then John Cena sprints by to go backstage. I think that it would have been better to have her win the title, she can lose the rematch to Charlotte(at which point Carmella can cash in on Charlotte, I mean she had like 2-3 months left before it expired); then Asuka and Charlotte can have the final match in a trilogy before they both go after Carmella. I was working, turned mania on during my break. All i saw was Asuka crying and saying Charlotte was ready for Asuka, and in same scene the disrespectful "takers here!" With John blowing past them. Was the perfect summation of why I didn't want to watch, encapsulated in all of 2 minutes. I turned it off. Browsed forums during my break. Saw afterwords Cena got squashed, so they interupted the moment for cena to have a non match. All of this in a 7 (8?) Hr show. Absolutely no reason. And if post is giving other vibes, I wasn't "mad", going "wwe suxors!", just exhausted and bored by the horrible decisions. I've mentioned it a few times here; but I have booted up each ppv this year late into show, and 15 minutes at most reminds me I dont care about current wwe. Backlash was me thinking I'd see Aj vs Shin. Saw Joe attacking Roman in the M.E in the exact same match structure as vs Lesnar, realizied Roman won't go down to a match Lesnar won and went back to recently backwards compatible saints row 2. Sorry for my diatribe, i love professional wrestling, and never thought I could get decades of content and live ppvs for $10/mo, and not care. I'm, despite rambling, at a loss for words.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2018 6:18:14 GMT -5
Was bullshit the night it happened, it's still bullshit now.
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Post by Cronant on May 25, 2018 7:06:22 GMT -5
My thing is that no one was lifted by it. Charlotte was immediately beat by Carmella and the ending of the streak was a distant memory. It’s like if they had Brock beat Taker at mania and then lose the very next night to Erick Rowan. Charlotte was very obviously lifted by it. What happens after didnt change that one bit.
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Post by RedDevil on May 25, 2018 7:16:08 GMT -5
I assumed it was just feeding the streak to Charlotte for the eventual build to her match with Rousey in the main event of next year's WrestleMania - Asuka might've been most of our choices to face Rousey in that match, but Vince was always going to go for Charlotte for such a match. Asuka was/is just collateral damage.
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Post by Cronant on May 25, 2018 7:22:49 GMT -5
I assumed it was just feeding the streak to Charlotte for the eventual build to her match with Rousey in the main event of next year's WrestleMania - Asuka might've been most of our choices to face Rousey in that match, but Vince was always going to go for Charlotte for such a match. Asuka was/is just collateral damage. They followed it up by Charlotte losing the title via MITB then having a match where charlotte was pinned by hurting her leg and then just getting kicked there again. Not setting up a finish, just leg pain. Apparently when your leg hurts that's a set up for a pin. But there’s nothing wrong with Charlotte losing. All this Asuka fantasy booking has proven that people seem to have 0 ideas on how to book these women other than “they don’t lose” and think that makes build. Charlotte beating Asuka doesn’t mean she needs to go undefeated afterwards either. She has enough build to where they can heat her up late in the year and everyone will buy her as a threat to Ronda.
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Post by MrElijah on May 25, 2018 7:27:46 GMT -5
They followed it up by Charlotte losing the title via MITB then having a match where charlotte was pinned by hurting her leg and then just getting kicked there again. Not setting up a finish, just leg pain. Apparently when your leg hurts that's a set up for a pin. But there’s nothing wrong with Charlotte losing. All this Asuka fantasy booking has proven that people seem to have 0 ideas on how to book these women other than “they don’t lose” and think that makes build. Charlotte beating Asuka doesn’t mean she needs to go undefeated afterwards either. She has enough build to where they can heat her up late in the year and everyone will buy her as a threat to Ronda. It's not Asuka losing, but Charlotte didn't need the win. She's established! I mean Ms. Flair has lost....maybe 3 matches on PPV? Charlotte is known to be a big game player. With Asuka you could have used that to propel someone else.
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Post by Cronant on May 25, 2018 7:33:08 GMT -5
But there’s nothing wrong with Charlotte losing. All this Asuka fantasy booking has proven that people seem to have 0 ideas on how to book these women other than “they don’t lose” and think that makes build. Charlotte beating Asuka doesn’t mean she needs to go undefeated afterwards either. She has enough build to where they can heat her up late in the year and everyone will buy her as a threat to Ronda. It's not Asuka losing, but Charlotte didn't need the win. She's established! I mean Ms. Flair has lost....maybe 3 matches on PPV? Charlotte is known to be a big game player. With Asuka you could have used that to propel someone else. There was no one they wanted to propel that way. Beating Asuka puts you at the top of the division and that’s where they wanted Charlotte. I don’t know why people thought an Ember or someone would get that win. As much as people think streaks are meant to put someone new over that’s almost never how they actually end.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2018 7:43:53 GMT -5
There was no one they wanted to propel that way. Beating Asuka puts you at the top of the division and that’s where they wanted Charlotte. I don’t know why people thought an Ember or someone would get that win. As much as people think streaks are meant to put someone new over that’s almost never how they actually end. Charlotte was already at the top of the division though! She's a six-time champion after having been on the roster for three years, is one of the first two women to have ever main evented a WWE PPV, and has a whole bunch of other bullshit resume-padding accolades to her name. I understand what WWE's intentions were but their intentions were really short-sighted and stupid. Asuka's win would've benefited literally anyone else more.
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Post by 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger on May 25, 2018 7:47:11 GMT -5
My thing is that no one was lifted by it. Charlotte was immediately beat by Carmella and the ending of the streak was a distant memory. It’s like if they had Brock beat Taker at mania and then lose the very next night to Erick Rowan. Charlotte was very obviously lifted by it. What happens after didnt change that one bit. Was she? She doesn’t feel more special or important at all.
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