Sometimes I forget that H is that Dude.

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Hunter is up there with Piper and Cena as my favourite of all time. Dude has always been awesome to me, and his stuff as Papa H now just brings me so much joy as a fan.

[Jonathan Michaels]

He is helping talented people use their talents to become as successful as they can be and support themselves and their families.

I have no sympy for indie promoters being unable to exploit them, and am glad Hunter is helping the talent.

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Jun 26, 2018 13:31:59 GMT -5 Stone Coke Miami Watson 🥃 said:

I read the thread title as "Sometimes I Forget That H Is A Dude" and was wondering what made you come to that conclusion

Same.

Expected it to be a quote from Steph.

[Redbeard's Ghost]

Mad love for Trips. Nice to see. I genuinely believe that he's the type of guy who sometimes comes in on the weekends or stays late at night - just to watch videos from the tape vault. He is truly a student of the game.

[Mighty Attack Tribble]

Jun 26, 2018 23:59:32 GMT -5 Jonathan Michaels said:

He is helping talented people use their talents to become as successful as they can be and support themselves and their families.

I have no sympy for indie promoters being unable to exploit them, and am glad Hunter is helping the talent.

Put it this way, even Jim Cornette, the guy who despises everything about Corporate WWE and their "raping" of the indie scene, has nothing bad to say about HHH these days.

[Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-]]

If only he didn't have to see his children die on the main brand...

[Bungle]

Jun 27, 2018 1:56:26 GMT -5 Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] said:

If only he didn't have to see his children die on the main brand...

Except all this new persona is to put himself over.

And people are eating it.

Jun 27, 2018 1:56:26 GMT -5 Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] said:

If only he didn't have to see his children die on the main brand...

He loves to blame everyone when "his kids" miserably fail on the main roster and drops all support because there is a new indie toy to sign.

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Jun 27, 2018 2:36:10 GMT -5 Bungle said:

Jun 27, 2018 1:56:26 GMT -5 Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] said:

If only he didn't have to see his children die on the main brand...

Except all this new persona is to put himself over.

And people are eating it.

Jun 27, 2018 1:56:26 GMT -5 Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] said:

If only he didn't have to see his children die on the main brand...

He loves to blame everyone when "his kids" miserably fail on the main roster and drops all support because there is a new indie toy to sign.

Given he and Steph will be inheriting the company and his power behind the scenes is only going to grow, isn't ANY move within the company to out himself over? He needs the company successful and hespecially pursuing his vision to do so.

Hunter going over in this sense is the company going over. If he's making popular decisions then the company is popular at least in some regards.

[Cvslfc123]

No thanks, I'm still not over the sheer ridiculousness of him winning the Royal Rumble, the WWE championship and him main-eventing Wrestlemania in 2016 plus him destroying one of the best angles WWE had in 2011.

[Ben Wyatt]

Jun 26, 2018 16:29:24 GMT -5 Society of the Spectacle said:

I momumentally disliked his booking as a full time talent back in the day, but I really love what Hunter is doing for wrestling fans nowadays. At the very least, it's great to have someone high ranking at WWE being open to signing people like Sami Zayn or Nakamura. Or even acknowledging that Kenny Omega and NJPW exists. What other high ranking hanger-on (Hayes,Dunn,etc) in WWE would be willing to show up at an indie show to put over Pete Dunne, the champion of a brand that would not even exist otherwise?

I know some people think Hunter is just doing smark fan service and is trying to sabotage the indies, but to me, he seems like he wants the best wrestling talent out there in WWE, on the biggest stage. He knows he has the corporate structure behind him, which allows him to do it, but I would rather live in his world, where I am can be watching Gargano and Ciampa headline a Takeover under the WWE umbrella, rather than Mr. Olympia from 2004 and Sylvain Grenier stink out the joint like they would be if other backstage people were in charge of the development brand.

Another underrated aspect has been his ability to mend fences with guys who we as fans thought we'd never see under the WWE umbrella again. Savage, Warrior, Bruno, all of those guys came "home" before they passed on and by most accounts, it was HHH that made it happen.  For that alone, I am grateful as a fan. 

I think his heart is ultimately in the right place, even if the execution of some of his ideas/projects isn't always on the mark.  

The good has heavily outweighed the bad when it comes to his fingerprints on the business. 

[Mid-Carder]

I’m the opposite. Sometimes I think he’s That Dude then he very quickly does something to piss me off.

Booking himself into the main event of Mania as the champion in 2016 proved his ego will always come first

[Tenshigure]

Jun 27, 2018 7:27:30 GMT -5 Mid-Carder said:

Booking himself into the main event of Mania as the champion in 2016 proved his ego will always come first

Nah, that was just yet another attempt to put Roman over, and it would be revisionist history to not acknowledge that he was starting to get over naturally just before his injury in the fall of 2015. Hunter taking the belt at the point was merely his attempt to convince Vince that his "guy" was worth all the time and investment they were putting into him.

Sure, it didn't pan out to anything in the long run, but remember they were trying desperately to make lightning strike twice after the 'Bryan vs The Authority' storyline. It worked for one, not so much for the other.

[Final Countdown Jones]

Jun 27, 2018 7:41:02 GMT -5 Tenshigure said:

Jun 27, 2018 7:27:30 GMT -5 Mid-Carder said:

Booking himself into the main event of Mania as the champion in 2016 proved his ego will always come first

Nah, that was just yet another attempt to put Roman over, and it would be revisionist history to not acknowledge that he was starting to get over naturally just before his injury in the fall of 2015. Hunter taking the belt at the point was merely his attempt to convince Vince that his "guy" was worth all the time and investment they were putting into him.

Sure, it didn't pan out to anything in the long run, but remember they were trying desperately to make lightning strike twice after the 'Bryan vs The Authority' storyline. It worked for one, not so much for the other.

Also worth noting that due to a rash of injuries and problems, there really wasn't anyone else around who they thought was on the level of a Mania main event title match with Roman. They were holding off on Brock presumably figuring he'd come back from his UFC match victorious and Roman would be put over even harder by the rub, Ambrose was there to keep Brock busy, and then like everyone the f*** else was just injured. 32 was a really not-good Wrestlemania and some of that came down to a weak roster and a struggle to get things into a place where it could matter. Triple H is seen by Vince himself as a major star deserving of that spot, he didn't really need to book himself into there, and the intention was to set up, like you said, Roman vs. The Authority with the same MITB cash-in on a title win starting point at Survivor Series. I've always seen 32 as a matter of messed up circumstances, changed plans, and bad booking more than Triple H gunning for a vanity run.

[theironyuppie]

Triple H is a vital figure even just for his role in the transformation of WWE women's wrestling. Not everyone has panned out as we'd have liked on the main roster, but the opportunities women wrestlers get today were difficult to imagine even a few years ago.

["Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay]

Replies to this very thread even prove that Triple H will never be forgiven by a lot of people, but I've no idea how reasonable they're being because he was the champ when I started watching wrestling so I'm probably biased too.

Seeing some of the examples, it's like... this shit was years ago.

I don't know when Triple H has enough in the tank for people to stop hating him for past shit, I really don't.

[Confused Mark Wahlberg]

The story of Trips decreeing that he can't be shown losing or looking weak in any 2K promo pictures is my favorite 'Insecure Haitch' story.

I don't even care if it's true or not.

[The Heartbreak TWERK]

Jun 27, 2018 9:23:24 GMT -5 "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay said:

Replies to this very thread even prove that Triple H will never be forgiven by a lot of people, but I've no idea how reasonable they're being because he was the champ when I started watching wrestling so I'm probably biased too.

Seeing some of the examples, it's like... this shit was years ago.

I don't know when Triple H has enough in the tank for people to stop hating him for past shit, I really don't.

I mean, Triple H will always have a black mark on his record for Booker T at WM 19 and destroying Summer of Punk 2011.

That said, he's still that dude to me.

["Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay]

Jun 27, 2018 9:26:37 GMT -5 The Heartbreak TWERK said:

Jun 27, 2018 9:23:24 GMT -5 "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay said:

Replies to this very thread even prove that Triple H will never be forgiven by a lot of people, but I've no idea how reasonable they're being because he was the champ when I started watching wrestling so I'm probably biased too.

Seeing some of the examples, it's like... this shit was years ago.

I don't know when Triple H has enough in the tank for people to stop hating him for past shit, I really don't.

I mean, Triple H will always have a black mark on his record for Booker T at WM 19 and destroying Summer of Punk 2011.

That said, he's still that dude to me.

Oh yeah, I totally agree those are smudges on his record.

But being massively reductionist - and at the risk of going all 'CM Punk did it' - Paul Heyman put a 17-year-old kid in the ring to get killed by New Jack, owes six-figure sums to some of his most loyal people, showed up on WWF television before ECW was closed... like the number of people in wrestling who have done much worse shit than burying someone's favourite wrestler, but Triple H still gets shit for it. I know Heyman does in some quarters, and most of these people do to some degree, but Triple H still has this insane reputation even now.

[The Heartbreak TWERK]

Jun 27, 2018 9:29:41 GMT -5 "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay said:

Jun 27, 2018 9:26:37 GMT -5 The Heartbreak TWERK said:

I mean, Triple H will always have a black mark on his record for Booker T at WM 19 and destroying Summer of Punk 2011.

That said, he's still that dude to me.

Oh yeah, I totally agree those are smudges on his record.

But being massively reductionist - and at the risk of going all 'CM Punk did it' - Paul Heyman put a 17-year-old kid in the ring to get killed by New Jack, owes six-figure sums to some of his most loyal people, showed up on WWF television before ECW was closed... like the number of people in wrestling who have done much worse shit than burying someone's favourite wrestler, but Triple H still gets shit for it. I know Heyman does in some quarters, and most of these people do to some degree, but Triple H still has this insane reputation even now.

100%.

Honestly, the big one that people go at him for, I don't get. Like, I haven't hit the Reign of Terror in my watch yet, but hindsight tells me the following:

RVD in 2002 would've inevitably f***ed up like he did in 2006.
Steiner is, well, Steiner.
Kane is Kane. Katie Vick was gross, but that was clearly a Vince thing.
Booker's loss is inexcusable.
Goldberg just was never going to fit in.
Orton, we learned, was just not mature enough to handle being on top.

["Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay]

Jun 27, 2018 9:37:44 GMT -5 The Heartbreak TWERK said:

Jun 27, 2018 9:29:41 GMT -5 "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay said:

Oh yeah, I totally agree those are smudges on his record.

But being massively reductionist - and at the risk of going all 'CM Punk did it' - Paul Heyman put a 17-year-old kid in the ring to get killed by New Jack, owes six-figure sums to some of his most loyal people, showed up on WWF television before ECW was closed... like the number of people in wrestling who have done much worse shit than burying someone's favourite wrestler, but Triple H still gets shit for it. I know Heyman does in some quarters, and most of these people do to some degree, but Triple H still has this insane reputation even now.

100%.

Honestly, the big one that people go at him for, I don't get. Like, I haven't hit the Reign of Terror in my watch yet, but hindsight tells me the following:

RVD in 2002 would've inevitably f***ed up like he did in 2006.
Steiner is, well, Steiner.
Kane is Kane. Katie Vick was gross, but that was clearly a Vince thing.
Booker's loss is inexcusable.
Goldberg just was never going to fit in.
Orton, we learned, was just not mature enough to handle being on top.

Don't forget young, hot, up-and-comer Kevin Nash.