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Post by YAKMAN is ICHIBAN on Dec 20, 2019 13:18:41 GMT -5
I know, China, but that steady decline is crazy. Yeah, China just does not remotely give a shit about Star Wars.
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Post by Cyno on Dec 20, 2019 14:13:35 GMT -5
Star Wars is about the struggle for freedom against an oppressive authoritarian regime, also with space wizards. I can't say I'm surprised that doesn't go over in China.
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Post by adamclark52 on Dec 20, 2019 15:11:56 GMT -5
The worst part of not liking the Last Jedi is not being allowed to like the Last Jedi
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Post by cabbageboy on Dec 20, 2019 15:12:14 GMT -5
Keep in mind China didn't really have access to the original series when it was first out, so they weren't die hard fans. If you weren't already a die hard fan, what exactly in these new movies would make you one?
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Post by Hit Girl on Dec 20, 2019 16:29:06 GMT -5
Keep in mind China didn't really have access to the original series when it was first out, so they weren't die hard fans. If you weren't already a die hard fan, what exactly in these new movies would make you one? Porgs.
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Post by Stu on Dec 20, 2019 17:03:34 GMT -5
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Post by adamclark52 on Dec 20, 2019 19:09:21 GMT -5
It was better than I expected. They really laid it on thick with Rey though. It was comical at times.
Basically two movies in one to make up for the Last Jedi. Any problems still lay solely on the shoulders of Rian Johnson and that movie. They did the best they could but there was only so much they could do to undo that.
Ultimately pointless and I’ll never consider it the ending to the Skywalker Saga. Just a footnote.
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Post by mcmahonfan85 on Dec 20, 2019 19:48:34 GMT -5
Basically two movies in one to make up for the Last Jedi. Any problems still lay solely on the shoulders of Rian Johnson and that movie. They did the best they could but there was only so much they could do to undo that. no, the problems lay on the shoulders of JJ Abrams. he was the one who decided to introduce the new trilogy by rehashing A New Hope with a bunch of characters with mysterious backstories only he knows about, then not telling anyone and thus leaving it up to others to come up with backstories to explain everything in his movie. it's just like Lost. he created the island and the smoke monster, then bailed without telling anyone what they really were and leaving it up to others to come up with the answers. instead of people being focused on the next step in the story with Last Jedi, fans were only interested in answers to the last movie, which Abrams could have answered but chose not to. if Rise of Skywalker had to spend a large amount of time providing answers that should have been given in Force Awakens, that's on Abrams, not Johnson
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Post by adamclark52 on Dec 20, 2019 19:59:11 GMT -5
Basically two movies in one to make up for the Last Jedi. Any problems still lay solely on the shoulders of Rian Johnson and that movie. They did the best they could but there was only so much they could do to undo that. no, the problems lay on the shoulders of JJ Abrams. he was the one who decided to introduce the new trilogy by rehashing A New Hope with a bunch of characters with mysterious backstories only he knows about, then not telling anyone and thus leaving it up to others to come up with backstories to explain everything in his movie. it's just like Lost. he created the island and the smoke monster, then bailed without telling anyone what they really were and leaving it up to others to come up with the answers. instead of people being focused on the next step in the story with Last Jedi, fans were only interested in answers to the last movie, which Abrams could have answered but chose not to. if Rise of Skywalker had to spend a large amount of time providing answers that should have been given in Force Awakens, that's on Abrams, not Johnson I’m getting a lot of flack for that comment so I’ll agree It’s on all of them. All of the team.
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Post by Fade is a CodyCryBaby on Dec 20, 2019 20:41:18 GMT -5
no, the problems lay on the shoulders of JJ Abrams. he was the one who decided to introduce the new trilogy by rehashing A New Hope with a bunch of characters with mysterious backstories only he knows about, then not telling anyone and thus leaving it up to others to come up with backstories to explain everything in his movie. it's just like Lost. he created the island and the smoke monster, then bailed without telling anyone what they really were and leaving it up to others to come up with the answers. instead of people being focused on the next step in the story with Last Jedi, fans were only interested in answers to the last movie, which Abrams could have answered but chose not to. if Rise of Skywalker had to spend a large amount of time providing answers that should have been given in Force Awakens, that's on Abrams, not Johnson I’m getting a lot of flack for that comment so I’ll agree It’s on all of them. All of the team. Oh yeah. I don’t think it’s unfair to say there’s a lot of blame to go around.
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Post by Alexander The So-so on Dec 20, 2019 20:59:51 GMT -5
I’m getting a lot of flack for that comment so I’ll agree It’s on all of them. All of the team. Oh yeah. I don’t think it’s unfair to say there’s a lot of blame to go around. Like I said earlier in this thread: this whole situation is like if JJ made an incredibly wrongheaded credit card purchase for some useless luxury item which was way beyond his means and would take him forever to pay off. But then, right before the first payment is due, Rian decided to hack into JJ’s bank account and clean it out, not even out of malice, but because he thought it’d be a hilarious prank (and he has no idea why other people don’t find it nearly as funny as he does). So now JJ has to take out a predatory loan just to start paying off his credit card bill.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2019 21:13:41 GMT -5
Really I'm putting this whole thing on the higher-ups because they're the ones who should've had a plan in place that was more complex than, "Let's make Star Wars sequels because money."
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Post by adamclark52 on Dec 20, 2019 21:47:57 GMT -5
Yeah having no plan was fine when George Lucas did his original trilogy because the expectations were none and it was probably a surprise Rudy it succeeded. When there’s a multi-billion machine behind it it’s inexcusable.
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Post by carp (SPC, Itoh Respect Army) on Dec 20, 2019 21:52:36 GMT -5
Oh, that was real bad. The villain's plan was absolutely incoherent, with a ludricrous, unintentionally funny climax. {Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{SPOILER: CLICK TO SHOW}"I win if you kill me!" and then she kills him and wins. And loud, LOUD groans in the theater for the kiss This could be one of the emptiest, stupidest movies I've seen in a long time. All those themes of "hey, maybe the old ways of doing things are actually not so good, and the influence of the older generations is destructive?" Nope, we need the power of old dead people to win. All the stuff about how this Jedi/Sith thing is actually a stupid false binary and both are unworkable, unrealistic, unnecessary systems that would ultimately destroy themselves? Nope, it's Jedi vs Sith and the Jedi are good yayyyy Oh and hooray, Rose was barely in it! Internet bullying works yaaayyyyy [ {Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{SPOILER: CLICK TO SHOW}Also did they seriously f***ing come up with a black love interest for Finn and then change their minds about it at the last minute? Because wow it sure looked like that. And then she goes and hangs out with the OTHER black person!
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Post by Fade is a CodyCryBaby on Dec 20, 2019 23:38:07 GMT -5
Might be the closest we get to Lucas’s reaction to Rise of Skywalker
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Post by HMARK Center on Dec 20, 2019 23:45:33 GMT -5
I just watched a Quinton Reviews video on YouTube where he makes an argument for the prequels being good...but ONLY in terms of their thematic goals, not in terms of their execution, which he is quick to point out is just terrible.
I liked what he got at: the original Star Wars trilogy really revolves around Luke taking the classic hero's journey, how it plays up the old days of the Jedi and the Republic as being positive, and how the original trilogy, culturally speaking, was a chance for many people, post-Vietnam Americans especially, to have a film that made war easy and "fun" again by having clear good guys and bad guys and obvious stakes and reasons for a fight to be happening. Thematically, the prequels presented a challenge to that: turns out the Republic had grown decadent and corrupt in its waning days, and the Jedi were a bunch of cloistered, dogmatic stuffed shirts who couldn't see past their own noses to see that the greatest threat to their continued existence and that of the Republic was RIGHT THERE manipulating them all. Like the original trilogy it was reflective of the socio-political circumstances of its era...and yes, it means that Star Wars being "political" or "about something" is nothing new.
Now, obviously, the prequels botched the hell out of the execution of all that, and Lucas likely didn't commit to really depicting it because he was afraid of hurting merchandise sales by making his good guys look not so good, but it at least made Luke's cynicism in The Last Jedi feel more justified: his arc in that film kind of served as a meta commentary for the depiction of the Jedi and Luke's own personal legacy throughout the films and the need to come to terms with how badly they screwed up while not losing sight of the good they represent, which to me is part of why I thought Luke's arc in that film was probably the best part of an otherwise so-so film.
However, while I have't seen the new one yet, by the sound of things the end of Last Jedi and the way things are handled in Episode IX come off as not really fully confronting the complexity of the Jedi's legacy; instead, it's sort of "don't worry, everything can be like it was in the old days, no need to change anything or try anything different with this franchise", and that seems to be bumming some people out. I've said it before: Last Jedi gave us a glimpse into a Star Wars franchise that was willing to really go in some new directions, whether by questioning established canon and franchise tropes or by straight-up smashing Abrams' "mystery boxes" from Episode VII, but to me its greatest sin was ending on a note that said "Nope, nothing's REALLY changed, don't worry!", which seems to have carried over into Rise of Skywalker, at least going by the non-spoiler stuff I've read thus far.
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Post by Hit Girl on Dec 21, 2019 0:14:47 GMT -5
It was better than I expected. They really laid it on thick with Rey though. It was comical at times. Basically two movies in one to make up for the Last Jedi. Any problems still lay solely on the shoulders of Rian Johnson and that movie. They did the best they could but there was only so much they could do to undo that. Ultimately pointless and I’ll never consider it the ending to the Skywalker Saga. Just a footnote. The Skywalker saga ended in 1983. Those three movies told all the story that was necessary. They didn't even need to be labelled as episodes IV, V and VI. Everything after Return of the Jedi has been superfluous.
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Post by adamclark52 on Dec 21, 2019 0:28:54 GMT -5
It was better than I expected. They really laid it on thick with Rey though. It was comical at times. Basically two movies in one to make up for the Last Jedi. Any problems still lay solely on the shoulders of Rian Johnson and that movie. They did the best they could but there was only so much they could do to undo that. Ultimately pointless and I’ll never consider it the ending to the Skywalker Saga. Just a footnote. The Skywalker saga ended in 1983. Those three movies told all the story that was necessary. They didn't even need to be labelled as episodes IV, V and VI. Everything after Return of the Jedi has been superfluous. It's been said before but the prequels did serve a purpse. They were just horribly executed. These new movies serve no purpose whatsoever. I guess the whole trilogy could be "who is Rey". Something that could have been questioned in the first movie and solved in the second.
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Post by mattperiolat on Dec 21, 2019 0:35:30 GMT -5
Content. Fulfilled. Amazed. Thrilled. Inspired. These are all the emotions flooding me after Rise of Skywalker. I will not understand the negativity because I can only see what was a logical continuation of the story begun 42 years ago. And who knows what will come next? For my part, hope to see and hear more. And now, more than ever, my great dream - to someday see a little one pick up a hairbrush or a tube and give out a familiar hum. I’ll smile and know that this story, this series, will continue after I’m gone and keep inspiring, keep thrilling, keep contenting.
Yes, it’s good. And I’m happy.
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on Dec 21, 2019 2:06:23 GMT -5
Here is my review.
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