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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Apr 12, 2019 13:54:21 GMT -5
Last Jedi is something like 11th all time in ticket sales. It in no way failed
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Post by YAKMAN is ICHIBAN on Apr 12, 2019 14:07:05 GMT -5
I'm honestly surprised that TLJ has as high of an RT score as it does. It is filled with the types of flaws for critics to pull apart. Instead it has a 91% fresh rating, and a 44% audience score, compared to Force Awakens which has a 92% rating and 87% audience score.
The Last Jedi is number the #2 Star Wars movie in box office behind The Force Awakens. Adjusted for inflation it is #6 behind the OT, Force Awakens and Phantom Menace.
I'd be very interested in seeing how TLJ stacks up in terms of repeat views and home video sales compared to the other Star Wars movies.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Apr 12, 2019 14:07:52 GMT -5
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Post by Hassan bin Sober on Apr 12, 2019 14:14:30 GMT -5
So Palpatine is a back. And is that debris from one of the Death Stars? And what do we think of that title?
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Post by The Captain on Apr 12, 2019 14:16:42 GMT -5
I'm honestly surprised that TLJ has as high of an RT score as it does. It is filled with the types of flaws for critics to pull apart. Instead it has a 91% fresh rating, and a 44% audience score, compared to Force Awakens which has a 92% rating and 87% audience score. The Last Jedi is number the #2 Star Wars movie in box office behind The Force Awakens. Adjusted for inflation it is #6 behind the OT, Force Awakens and Phantom Menace. I'd be very interested in seeing how TLJ stacks up in terms of repeat views and home video sales. In terms of home video sales, it was either the best selling physical home release of 2018 or the second best behind Black Panther.
I don't think there's an objective metric to actually use for repeat views, though. And that doesn't necessarily mean anything either. I've seen plenty of movies I've really liked only once.
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Post by YAKMAN is ICHIBAN on Apr 12, 2019 14:18:40 GMT -5
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Post by The Summer of Muskrat XVII on Apr 12, 2019 14:20:29 GMT -5
Star Wars fans are battered spouses. Why else would they stay with a franchise that gave them the Special Editions, the prequels, and Last Jedi? Because we enjoy the movies? Shocker I know, but not everybody hate watches things so they can bitch online. |
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Apr 12, 2019 14:27:02 GMT -5
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Post by WoodStoner1 on Apr 12, 2019 14:27:57 GMT -5
Hayden coming back makes sense if he appears as a ghost force to Kylo.
There is no scenario where bringing back Hayden makes ANY sense ;-) |
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Post by Push R Truth on Apr 12, 2019 14:29:26 GMT -5
Kylo with that Undertaker chokeslam tho
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Post by The 1Watcher Experience on Apr 12, 2019 14:29:40 GMT -5
I remember The Last Jedi trailer being the first Star Wars trailer that didn’t feel like a Star Wars trailer. That made me nervous. Then the movie was a mess and didn’t feel like much of a Star Wars movie. The mass rejection of Last Jedi was a huge turnaround considering how much Force Awakens was received and praised. This trailer feels like a Star Wars trailer. It looks Ike a Star Wars movie. I’m excited. Hearing the emperor laugh has me guessing. Is he a clone? Was the emperor in Return of the Jedi a clone? Is he something else? The Rise of Skywalker name is intriguing. Will they make Rey a Skywalker after all? Idk. I’m definitely here for this movie. The Last Jedi was an unnecessary mess. It did far more harm to the franchise than good. I have a feeling that history will show that Abrams should have done the entire trilogy. This poor guy had to undue so much damage that never should’ve happened. Star Wars fans will thank him for it though. We need to stop again with this narrative of Last Jedi having some sort of mass rejection or being a failure. Just because a certain segment of the fanbase didn't like it and it had its issues doesn't mean the movie wasn't a smashing commercial and critical success in both theaters and on home releases. If people really didn't like it, it wouldn't have been either.
Last Jedi was lucky to have the Star Wars brand name on it to support it. If this was another trilogy fans would’ve given up on the franchise altogether. People watched hoping it would be good and hoping they’d like it more if they watched it again. There's no denying it made a lot of money. It had the Star Wars brand name on it. It would’ve made a lot more money if it was a much better movie. By and large most Star Wars fans didn’t like it. Not a certain segment of the fanbase. Disney cancelled other planned movies because fans stopped caring about the franchise. That was because of the ton of backlash caused by Last Jedi. Solo didn’t cause that. Many Star Wars fans that saw Solo thought it was decent. The disinterest was caused by Last Jedi. Like it or not that is the narrative. No amount of Star Wars apologists are going to change that. |
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Post by DZ: WF Legacy on Apr 12, 2019 14:29:55 GMT -5
This is going to be super emotional, and I cannot wait to experience it.
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Post by YAKMAN is ICHIBAN on Apr 12, 2019 14:38:14 GMT -5
I'm honestly surprised that TLJ has as high of an RT score as it does. It is filled with the types of flaws for critics to pull apart. Instead it has a 91% fresh rating, and a 44% audience score, compared to Force Awakens which has a 92% rating and 87% audience score. The Last Jedi is number the #2 Star Wars movie in box office behind The Force Awakens. Adjusted for inflation it is #6 behind the OT, Force Awakens and Phantom Menace. I'd be very interested in seeing how TLJ stacks up in terms of repeat views and home video sales. In terms of home video sales, it was either the best selling physical home release of 2018 or the second best behind Black Panther.
I don't think there's an objective metric to actually use for repeat views, though. And that doesn't necessarily mean anything either. I've seen plenty of movies I've really liked only once.
I meant compared to other Star Wars movies, which I've added to the OP. Found some data on the Disney era movies. Don't know how this would change if you add digital purchases in. The Force Awakens production budget - $306,000,000 worldwide box office - $2,068,223,624 blu ray & DVD sales - $190,359,533 Rogue One production budget - $200,000,000 Worldwide box office - $1,049,102,856 blu ray & DVD sales - $84,560,718 The Last Jedi production budget - $317,000,000 worldwide box office - $1,332,539,889 blu ray & DVD sales - $87,409,366 Solo production budget - $250,000,000 worldwide box office - $393,151,347 blu ray & DVD sales - $54,717,887 From www.the-numbers.comEDIT: and here's the prequel trilogy, no home video data listed Phantom Menace production budget - $115,000,000 Worldwide box office - $1,027,044,677 Attack of the Clones production budget - $115,000,000 worldwide box office - $656,695,615 Revenge of the Sith production budget - $115,000,000 worldwide box office - $848,998,877 |
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Post by Hassan bin Sober on Apr 12, 2019 14:43:43 GMT -5
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Post by Facetious on Apr 12, 2019 14:44:41 GMT -5
We need to stop again with this narrative of Last Jedi having some sort of mass rejection or being a failure. Just because a certain segment of the fanbase didn't like it and it had its issues doesn't mean the movie wasn't a smashing commercial and critical success in both theaters and on home releases. If people really didn't like it, it wouldn't have been either.
Last Jedi was lucky to have the Star Wars brand name on it to support it. If this was another trilogy fans would’ve given up on the franchise altogether. People watched hoping it would be good and hoping they’d like it more if they watched it again. There's no denying it made a lot of money. It had the Star Wars brand name on it. It would’ve made a lot more money if it was a much better movie. By and large most Star Wars fans didn’t like it. Not a certain segment of the fanbase. Disney cancelled other planned movies because fans stopped caring about the franchise. That was because of the ton of backlash caused by Last Jedi. Solo didn’t cause that. Many Star Wars fans that saw Solo thought it was decent. The disinterest was caused by Last Jedi. Like it or not that is the narrative. No amount of Star Wars apologists are going to change that. It was totally the fan tears that caused the cancellation of the spin-offs, not the fact that Solo failed to break even... |
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Apr 12, 2019 14:46:00 GMT -5
Last Jedi having a huge backlash isn't an accurate narrative though. There's no objective metric one can point to to prove that.
One can't say people stayed away from Solo cuz of Last Jedi any more than people can definitely prove it was always gonna be a niche movie released at a terrible time surrounded by stronger movies.
The latter makes more sense though.
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Post by Welfare Willis on Apr 12, 2019 14:46:14 GMT -5
Look. Like Last Jedi or don’t...it’s not getting retconned. The thing made a BILLION DOLLARS. It’s debuting on Disney+ when that kicks off. Might there be changes? Maybe, I don’t know but a tonne of them? No way because, again, BILLION DOLLARS. Oh I'm sorry. Jedi mind trick it away. Any way that can help me forget TLJ. |
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Post by The Summer of Muskrat XVII on Apr 12, 2019 14:46:38 GMT -5
We need to stop again with this narrative of Last Jedi having some sort of mass rejection or being a failure. Just because a certain segment of the fanbase didn't like it and it had its issues doesn't mean the movie wasn't a smashing commercial and critical success in both theaters and on home releases. If people really didn't like it, it wouldn't have been either.
Last Jedi was lucky to have the Star Wars brand name on it to support it. If this was another trilogy fans would’ve given up on the franchise altogether. People watched hoping it would be good and hoping they’d like it more if they watched it again. There's no denying it made a lot of money. It had the Star Wars brand name on it. It would’ve made a lot more money if it was a much better movie. By and large most Star Wars fans didn’t like it. Not a certain segment of the fanbase. Disney cancelled other planned movies because fans stopped caring about the franchise. That was because of the ton of backlash caused by Last Jedi. Solo didn’t cause that. Many Star Wars fans that saw Solo thought it was decent. The disinterest was caused by Last Jedi. Like it or not that is the narrative. No amount of Star Wars apologists are going to change that. Literally every single person I’ve talked to in a face to face conversation loved that movie. If I never went online, I would’ve never known it was hated. |
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Post by YAKMAN is ICHIBAN on Apr 12, 2019 14:48:21 GMT -5
Last Jedi was lucky to have the Star Wars brand name on it to support it. If this was another trilogy fans would’ve given up on the franchise altogether. People watched hoping it would be good and hoping they’d like it more if they watched it again. There's no denying it made a lot of money. It had the Star Wars brand name on it. It would’ve made a lot more money if it was a much better movie. By and large most Star Wars fans didn’t like it. Not a certain segment of the fanbase. Disney cancelled other planned movies because fans stopped caring about the franchise. That was because of the ton of backlash caused by Last Jedi. Solo didn’t cause that. Many Star Wars fans that saw Solo thought it was decent. The disinterest was caused by Last Jedi. Like it or not that is the narrative. No amount of Star Wars apologists are going to change that. It was totally the fan tears that caused the cancellation of the spin-offs, not the fact that Solo failed to break even... The lessened enthusiasm after TLJ among the hardcore fanbase surely is one factor leading to Solo underperforming. Can't say how much to weigh that against the core problem of having someone else play Han solo, the proximity in release to TLJ, and middling word of mouth. |
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Post by MC Blowfish on Apr 12, 2019 14:49:25 GMT -5
We need to stop again with this narrative of Last Jedi having some sort of mass rejection or being a failure. Just because a certain segment of the fanbase didn't like it and it had its issues doesn't mean the movie wasn't a smashing commercial and critical success in both theaters and on home releases. If people really didn't like it, it wouldn't have been either.
Last Jedi was lucky to have the Star Wars brand name on it to support it. If this was another trilogy fans would’ve given up on the franchise altogether. People watched hoping it would be good and hoping they’d like it more if they watched it again. There's no denying it made a lot of money. It had the Star Wars brand name on it. It would’ve made a lot more money if it was a much better movie. By and large most Star Wars fans didn’t like it. Not a certain segment of the fanbase. Disney cancelled other planned movies because fans stopped caring about the franchise. That was because of the ton of backlash caused by Last Jedi. Solo didn’t cause that. Many Star Wars fans that saw Solo thought it was decent. The disinterest was caused by Last Jedi. Like it or not that is the narrative. No amount of Star Wars apologists are going to change that. That's straight-up revisionist history right there. A certain segment of the fans threw a fit over the TFA and TLJ. In addition to the troubles of the Solo movie, caused them to cancel the spin-offs. |
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