Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker (2019)

[YAKMAN is ICHIBAN]

Apr 12, 2019 14:46:00 GMT -5 Kevin Hamilton said:

Last Jedi having a huge backlash isn't an accurate narrative though. There's no objective metric one can point to to prove that.

One can't say people stayed away from Solo cuz of Last Jedi any more than people can definitely prove it was always gonna be a niche movie released at a terrible time surrounded by stronger movies.

The latter makes more sense though.

The massive drop off in blu ray sales compared to The Force Awakens is one objective measure you can interpret as showing a lessened enthusiasm for TLJ. It is incomplete without considering other factors though like trends in blu ray sales generally, increasing digital sales etc.

TLJ also had the largest second weekend drop off of any in the series at -67.5%.

www.boxofficemojo.com/alltime/weekends/drops.htm?page=2&order=ASC&p=.htm

[Hakumental]

Huh. There's a callback I didn't expect.

[YAKMAN is ICHIBAN]

Apr 12, 2019 14:46:38 GMT -5 The Summer of Muskrat XVII said:

Apr 12, 2019 14:29:40 GMT -5 The 1Watcher Experience said:

Last Jedi was lucky to have the Star Wars brand name on it to support it. If this was another trilogy fans would’ve given up on the franchise altogether. People watched hoping it would be good and hoping they’d like it more if they watched it again. There's no denying it made a lot of money. It had the Star Wars brand name on it. It would’ve made a lot more money if it was a much better movie. 

By and large most Star Wars fans didn’t like it. Not a certain segment of the fanbase. Disney cancelled other planned movies because fans stopped caring about the franchise. That was because of the ton of backlash caused by Last Jedi. Solo didn’t cause that. Many Star Wars fans that saw Solo thought it was decent. The disinterest was caused by Last Jedi. Like it or not that is the narrative. No amount of Star Wars apologists are going to change that. 

Literally every single person I’ve talked to in a face to face conversation loved that movie. If I never went online, I would’ve never known it was hated.

Most of my family are Star Wars nerds. We did a white elephant gift exchange one year and every single gift was Star Wars related. The majority of us disliked or outright hated it.

One of us hated Force Awakens so badly he never even bothered to see TLJ.

But it is also true that the rest of us other than the one cousin will probably see every Star Wars movie that comes out until the end of time regardless of the quality of the previous film, so those opinions only matters so much.

[YAKMAN is ICHIBAN]

Apr 12, 2019 14:55:19 GMT -5 Hakumental said:

Huh. There's a callback I didn't expect.

Continues the use of small previously unimportant items like Han's dice.

[A Platypus Rave is Correct]

Apr 12, 2019 14:48:21 GMT -5 YAKMAN is ICHIBAN said:

Apr 12, 2019 14:44:41 GMT -5 Facetious said:

It was totally the fan tears that caused the cancellation of the spin-offs, not the fact that Solo failed to break even...

The lessened enthusiasm after TLJ among the hardcore fanbase surely is one factor leading to Solo underperforming.

Can't say how much to weigh that against the core problem of having someone else play Han solo, the proximity in release to TLJ, and middling word of mouth.

Solo had terrible word of mouth and talk of on set issues BEFORE TLJ came out.

Not to mention... Solo was a story not a terrible amount of people really wanted to see.

[The Captain]

Apr 12, 2019 14:50:17 GMT -5 YAKMAN is ICHIBAN said:

Apr 12, 2019 14:46:00 GMT -5 Kevin Hamilton said:

Last Jedi having a huge backlash isn't an accurate narrative though. There's no objective metric one can point to to prove that.

One can't say people stayed away from Solo cuz of Last Jedi any more than people can definitely prove it was always gonna be a niche movie released at a terrible time surrounded by stronger movies.

The latter makes more sense though.

The massive drop off in blu ray sales compared to The Force Awakens is one objective measure you can interpret as showing a lessened enthusiasm for TLJ. It is incomplete without considering other factors though like trends in blu ray sales generally, increasing digital sales etc.

TLJ also had the largest second weekend drop off of any in the series at -67.5%.

www.boxofficemojo.com/alltime/weekends/drops.htm?page=2&order=ASC&p=.htm

TFA was an event that I don't think any sequel was going to match. And we've seen big drop-offs in the sequels to the original Star Wars and the sequels to Phantom Menace, though Episode III did do better than Episode II, if I remember right.

And TLJ had no real effect on my own disinterest in Solo. Really the only things that interested me in Solo were Donald Glover as Lando and seeing Corellia for the first time in canon. Those didn't outweigh how "eh" I felt about the film otherwise. Thinking TLJ was the best movie ever made or the drizzling shits wouldn't have made much of any difference on how I felt about Solo.

[The Captain]

Relevant meme:

[Mighty Attack Tribble]

Apr 12, 2019 15:08:41 GMT -5 The Captain said:

Apr 12, 2019 14:50:17 GMT -5 YAKMAN is ICHIBAN said:

The massive drop off in blu ray sales compared to The Force Awakens is one objective measure you can interpret as showing a lessened enthusiasm for TLJ. It is incomplete without considering other factors though like trends in blu ray sales generally, increasing digital sales etc.

TLJ also had the largest second weekend drop off of any in the series at -67.5%.

www.boxofficemojo.com/alltime/weekends/drops.htm?page=2&order=ASC&p=.htm

TFA was an event that I don't think any sequel was going to match. And we've seen big drop-offs in the sequels to the original Star Wars and the sequels to Phantom Menace, though Episode III did do better than Episode II, if I remember right.

And TLJ had no real effect on my own disinterest in Solo. Really the only things that interested me in Solo were Donald Glover as Lando and seeing Corellia for the first time in canon. Those didn't outweigh how "eh" I felt about the film otherwise. Thinking TLJ was the best movie ever made or the drizzling shits wouldn't have made much of any difference on how I felt about Solo.

Empire Strikes Back dropped off compared to A New Hope by about 30%. Return of the Jedi took less than Empire.

Attack of the Clones dropped off compared to Phantom Menace by about 30%. Revenge of the Sith took more than Clones.

Last Jedi dropped off compared to Force Awakens by about 30%.

It's a trend, Star Wars trilogies always start strong, then take a dip for the sequel. It's 50/50 whether this follows in the footsteps of Jedi or Sith compared to its predecessor.

[Hit Girl]

TLJ was a success in terms of business, but creatively it was a mess.

[A Platypus Rave is Correct]

The laugh is a red herring... the real villain of the movie...

SPOILER: Click to show

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He is also Rey's father... and mother somehow

[Mr PONYMANIA Mr Jenzie]

and i saw trailer ..... and downloaded trailer to see on my tv LOUD in a few

the end?

DADDYS HOME!!!

and i ALMOST got my kylo ren / poe dameron asteroid field space fight ..... except it's kylo ren and rey .....

[Bruce Mother Wayne]

Are Finn and Poe finally going to get it on? At this point, it's really all I care about when it comes to Star Wars.

[Hit Girl]

Apr 12, 2019 15:48:41 GMT -5 Bruce Mother Wayne said:

Are Finn and Poe finally going to get it on? At this point, it's really all I care about when it comes to Star Wars.

Their bromance was great in TFA, so of course Rian Johnson decided to sabotage it.

[Pooh Carlson]

Don't think I've seen it mentioned yet, but is it possible that the Skywalker mentioned is Ben Solo?

[Larryhausen]

Last Jedi is still holding the top spot for my favorite Star Wars movie, but I am HYPE.

[Hit Girl]

Apr 12, 2019 16:12:44 GMT -5 Pooh Carlson said:

Don't think I've seen it mentioned yet, but is it possible that the Skywalker mentioned is Ben Solo?

Hope not, because even if he's considered a Skywalker rather than a Solo, killing his father made him irredeemable for me.

[Mighty Attack Tribble]

Lucasfilm's Kathleen Kennedy on Planning "Next 10 Years" of Star Wars Films

It’s the end of an era — and a saga. As the teaser trailer for Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker promises, the Dec. 20 movie will bring a piece of cinema history to a close, and according to Lucasfilm's president Kathleen Kennedy, that’s been the plan all along.

“We knew we were going to close this up, we knew that even before we started The Force Awakens,” Kennedy told The Hollywood Reporter on Friday at Star Wars Celebration in Chicago.

Disney CEO Bob Iger has spoken about Episode IX being the final Star Wars film for some time while the company focuses on small-screen efforts The Mandalorian, from Jon Favreau, as well as an untitled Rogue One prequel starring Diego Luna. But Kennedy is already planning plenty of big-screen adventures to come.

"We are looking at the next saga. We are not just looking at another trilogy, we're really looking at the next 10 years or more," Kennedy said.

Star Wars: The Last Jedi writer-director Rian Johnson is developing a trilogy of films, while Game of Thrones showrunners David Benioff and D.B. Weiss are crafting their own trilogy.

“This [movie] is the culmination of the Skywalker Saga; it’s by no means the culmination of Star Wars," said Kennedy. "I’m sitting down now with Dan Weiss and David Benioff...and Rian Johnson. We’re all sitting down to talk about, where do we go next? We’ve all had conversations about what the possibilities might be, but now we’re locking it down."

This summit is on the calendar for next month, Kennedy said.

Rise of Skywalker director J.J. Abrams came into the project after the September 2017 exit of Colin Trevorrow, and for him it was a chance to complete the journey he started with 2015's The Force Awakens.

“When Kathy called and asked if I’d be interested in coming aboard this movie, I was surprised by how emotional I felt about it,” Abrams told THR. “I didn’t expect to feel the way I did, and the opportunity to finish the story we started was something I couldn’t resist.”

The Rise of Skywalker isn’t just the end of the story started in The Force Awakens; it’s also the end of the nine-movie cycle started with 1977’s original movie. Abrams described trying to tie everything together as “this crazy challenge,” but believes that the movie will satisfy the demands placed upon it.

“The beauty of working with [co-writer] Chris Terrio and producing with Kathleen Kennedy is that I think we have found a way — I hope, it’s up for you to decide — to bring this story to a conclusion in a way that feels satisfying, surprising, amusing, shocking, all the ways that a story should make you feel. Mostly, it’s an adventure story about this new generation of characters who have inherited all sorts of things from those who come before. That was, in a way, how I felt about working on this movie.”

Everyone involved with the movie was staying tight-lipped about any potential plot spoilers for the none-more-secretive movie, but a running theme in talking to the cast was the sense of responsibility and community the final installment brought.

“I’m very proud of the story that J.J. put together, and I’m very proud of the performances,” John Boyega said. “It’s all of us together, and for me, that was enough.” Daisy Ridley added, “I felt a lot of emotion because I was so happy with what we were doing, I was so happy with the people I was working with, the cast and crew was amazing. All of the other stuff sort of falls to the wayside. You’re just trying to do the right thing [for the movie]; that’s all you can do.”

Ridley also sidestepped any question about the title’s meaning with regard to Rey’s parentage by talking about how new the title actually is. “I only learned the title last week,” she said. “I’m still processing.” Boyega, she added, only learned the title "last night."

Naomi Ackie, who plays new character Jana, said that her experience on the movie included “a lot of quiet moments sitting very quietly on the carpet floor saying, ‘I just need a second to get over this.’ It can be quite overwhelming, but this experience has been, and continues to be, so positive. It’s helped me grow as a person, to be honest.”

Also positive was the standing ovation Kelly Marie Tran received at the Star Wars: Episode IX panel, coming after she had temporarily stepped away from social media after being targeted by trolls. “I was so emotional,” she said. “I definitely did not expect it, and I was all, ‘I’m not prepared! I’m not prepared!’ I was just trying to keep it all together.”

Tran was one of the few castmembers willing to entertain the possibility of appearing in a future Star Wars project, saying, “I love what Rian [Johnson] did, I love what J.J.’s doing, and I love that I’ve had the chance to be a part of it. I would never put an X on anything.” Boyega, on the other hand, said that he was “absolutely” ready to step away from Finn for the time being, explaining that the Rise of Skywalker shoot “gave me all the pleasure I needed, all the closure I needed” after spending years with the character.

www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/star-wars-disney-planning-decade-movies-rise-skywalker-1201761

[YAKMAN is ICHIBAN]

Apr 12, 2019 16:12:44 GMT -5 Pooh Carlson said:

Don't think I've seen it mentioned yet, but is it possible that the Skywalker mentioned is Ben Solo?

No, going forward all force users are going to be called Skywalkers due to the growing legend of Luke Skywalker.

[Mr PONYMANIA Mr Jenzie]

Apr 12, 2019 16:16:49 GMT -5 Hit Girl said:

Apr 12, 2019 16:12:44 GMT -5 Pooh Carlson said:

Don't think I've seen it mentioned yet, but is it possible that the Skywalker mentioned is Ben Solo?

Hope not, because even if he's considered a Skywalker rather than a Solo, killing his father made him irredeemable for me.

but didn't take the shot at leia in TLJ .....

[Tom Turkey]

Apr 12, 2019 16:22:50 GMT -5 YAKMAN is ICHIBAN said:

Apr 12, 2019 16:12:44 GMT -5 Pooh Carlson said:

Don't think I've seen it mentioned yet, but is it possible that the Skywalker mentioned is Ben Solo?

No, going forward all force users are going to be called Skywalkers due to the growing legend of Luke Skywalker.

Jedis out, Skywalkers in.