Papa John sues Papa John's

[Sephiroth]

Jul 18, 2018 14:02:24 GMT -5 BayleyTiffyCodyCenaJudyHopps said:

Jul 18, 2018 13:35:32 GMT -5 Mozenrath said:

It's not grimdark so much as really sad. Which is fine, orphans exist and are fairly common in fiction, it's just the detail of not having a birthday to celebrate that is really depressing. The orphanage couldn't even decide on one for him?

It is an oddly sad detail for a kids' pizza chain. It's just weirder to me how people act like Christopher Nolan's writing Chuck's backstory.

Could be worse. Could be Snyder.

[Glitch]

Wendy is involved in human trafficking! (She had help from Christian )

[Sephiroth]

Just read that apparently there were some talks of a merger between Papa John’s and Wendy’s before this latest flap-and that now he is going around bemoaning that it was a “mistake” to resign. All I can say is that the phrase “Quit while you are ahead” comes to mind with this guy.

[Malibu Stacy]

I'm not saying Dairy Queen is a ho, I don't use that kind of language. I just said that if you slip her a twenty, she'll show you what's to like about Texas (and it's not just the food)...

[bootytea]

I just finished reading everyones responses and while I disagree with some of it, I respect everyones opinion.

Im not really going to discuss my race as that is part of the problem. Lets just say if I were to wear a politically motivated baseball cap, I wouldnt have to worry about being punched or spit on.

Racism is a serious allegation and from my perspective, a lot of white people are being accused by a mob of people. Im looking at Roseanne, the Netflix executive and now Papa John. Strange thing is that I often see blatant racism towards white people accepted by the public. This will do nobody any good.

Im just an open person that doesnt get hot and bothered about a word used in a certain context. We could go back and forth, but it will likely get ugly. Lol.

I did read and appreciate everyones input.

[brown bricks]

I live around the Chattanooga area and 99.9% of the comments about this on the local news Facebook page is, "Well if THEY can say it, why can't we?" It makes me want to leave not only the area, but the planet altogether. I'm an idiot for reading the comments.

[Ultimo Gallos]

Jul 18, 2018 23:02:33 GMT -5 brown bricks said:

I live around the Chattanooga area and 99.9% of the comments about this on the local news Facebook page is, "Well if THEY can say it, why can't we?" It makes me want to leave not only the area, but the planet altogether. I'm an idiot for reading the comments.

I too am surrounded by small minds idiots. You would think in 2018 things would have changed. But if my lady and I go out in my town we still get stares. And a few times people have made some pretty hateful comments about her. I'm sure if they knew I was Hispanic/Asian/White they would make comments about me.

The worst part locally is the same ones that hate anyone not White straight and Christian are the same ones that are quick to tell you "I am a good Christian."

Best thing to do is ignore them. They don't want to change. And really nothing you can do will change them.

[chazraps]

Jul 18, 2018 22:06:54 GMT -5 bootytea said:

I just finished reading everyones responses and while I disagree with some of it, I respect everyones opinion.

Im not really going to discuss my race as that is part of the problem. Lets just say if I were to wear a politically motivated baseball cap, I wouldnt have to worry about being punched or spit on.

Racism is a serious allegation and from my perspective, a lot of white people are being accused by a mob of people. Im looking at Roseanne, the Netflix executive and now Papa John. Strange thing is that I often see blatant racism towards white people accepted by the public. This will do nobody any good.

Im just an open person that doesnt get hot and bothered about a word used in a certain context. We could go back and forth, but it will likely get ugly. Lol.

I did read and appreciate everyones input.

Your race matters in this discussion because if you're not black you're not in a position to determine how much power that word has/should have/does have.

[Savage Gambino]

Jul 17, 2018 19:06:15 GMT -5 brentreznor said:

Well, there's more to the story.

www.cnbc.com/2018/07/17/papa-johns-founder-speaks-out-on-resignation-the-board-and-kanye-west.html

"I then said something on the order of, Colonel Sanders used the word 'N,' (I actually used the word,) that I would never use that word and Papa John’s doesn’t use that word," Schnatter told the board. "Let me be very clear: I never used the 'N' word in that meeting as a racial epithet, nor would I ever."

Coming back to this, I realize it leaves out the best part:

Schnatter said he refused to work with West because "he uses the 'N' word in his lyrics," according to the letter. It was later on the call that Schnatter said he used the actual word when pressed whether or not he was a racist.

"I then said something on the order of, Colonel Sanders used the word 'N,' (I actually used the word,) that I would never use that word and Papa John’s doesn’t use that word," Schnatter told the board. "Let me be very clear: I never used the 'N' word in that meeting as a racial epithet, nor would I ever."

So, to clarify, he used the n-word while recounting a white person using the n-word (who, again, has never been proven to) during an explanation as to why he would never work with a black entertainer that used the n-word.

That's amazing.

[bootytea]

Jul 18, 2018 23:21:50 GMT -5 chazraps said:

Jul 18, 2018 22:06:54 GMT -5 bootytea said:

I just finished reading everyones responses and while I disagree with some of it, I respect everyones opinion.

Im not really going to discuss my race as that is part of the problem. Lets just say if I were to wear a politically motivated baseball cap, I wouldnt have to worry about being punched or spit on.

Racism is a serious allegation and from my perspective, a lot of white people are being accused by a mob of people. Im looking at Roseanne, the Netflix executive and now Papa John. Strange thing is that I often see blatant racism towards white people accepted by the public. This will do nobody any good.

Im just an open person that doesnt get hot and bothered about a word used in a certain context. We could go back and forth, but it will likely get ugly. Lol.

I did read and appreciate everyones input.

Your race matters in this discussion because if you're not black you're not in a position to determine how much power that word has/should have/does have.

It has to do with peoples level of sensitivity, not skin colour.

Obviously its better not to use any kind of slur, not because of your completion, but to be aware that you may offend someone.

Not sure why blacks can demean other blacks with that word because they have the same skin tone.

[The Captain]

Jul 18, 2018 23:21:50 GMT -5 chazraps said:

Jul 18, 2018 22:06:54 GMT -5 bootytea said:

I just finished reading everyones responses and while I disagree with some of it, I respect everyones opinion.

Im not really going to discuss my race as that is part of the problem. Lets just say if I were to wear a politically motivated baseball cap, I wouldnt have to worry about being punched or spit on.

Racism is a serious allegation and from my perspective, a lot of white people are being accused by a mob of people. Im looking at Roseanne, the Netflix executive and now Papa John. Strange thing is that I often see blatant racism towards white people accepted by the public. This will do nobody any good.

Im just an open person that doesnt get hot and bothered about a word used in a certain context. We could go back and forth, but it will likely get ugly. Lol.

I did read and appreciate everyones input.

Your race matters in this discussion because if you're not black you're not in a position to determine how much power that word has/should have/does have.

Also there was no accusation to be made about Roseanne's racism. She's been displaying it for years on end in public.

And in a systematic sense, racism does not exist against white people in this part of the world. Are individual people bigoted or prejudice against white people? Yes. But those are individual acts and not on behalf of societal institutions.

Not sure why blacks can demean other blacks with that word because they have the same skin tone.

Yikes.

[chazraps]

Jul 19, 2018 1:20:28 GMT -5 bootytea said:

Jul 18, 2018 23:21:50 GMT -5 chazraps said:

Your race matters in this discussion because if you're not black you're not in a position to determine how much power that word has/should have/does have.

It has to do with peoples level of sensitivity, not skin colour.

Obviously its better not to use any kind of slur, not because of your completion, but to be aware that you may offend someone.

Not sure why blacks can demean other blacks with that word because they have the same skin tone.

That's because "blacks" have a capacity to understand what being called that word feels like that no one else can possibly know, as well as the freedom to control that word as they're the only ones who truly know how to internalize and repurpose it.

It's a word that means very different things depending the skin color of the person saying it.

It has everything to do with skin color.

It's not a straight cis person's place, who doesn't know what it's like to have your sexuality used as a slur, to tell a LGBTQI+ how they themselves should feel/use such words.

It's not a gentile's place to tell a Jewish person how they should feel about/use antisemetic terminology.

You can't just throw around "sensitivity" as a catch-all way to write off people being offended as you're not taking into account the very different life experiences and historic of systematic disadvantages/obstacles of the people you are not a part of.

[bootytea]

Jul 19, 2018 1:34:20 GMT -5 chazraps said:

Jul 19, 2018 1:20:28 GMT -5 bootytea said:

It has to do with peoples level of sensitivity, not skin colour.

Obviously its better not to use any kind of slur, not because of your completion, but to be aware that you may offend someone.

Not sure why blacks can demean other blacks with that word because they have the same skin tone.

That's because "blacks" have a capacity to understand what being called that word feels like that no one else can possibly know, as well as the freedom to control that word as they're the only ones who truly know how to internalize and repurpose it.

It's a word that means very different things depending the skin color of the person saying it.

It has everything to do with skin color.

It's not a straight cis person's place, who doesn't know what it's like to have your sexuality used as a slur, to tell a LGBTQI+ how they themselves should feel/use such words.

It's not a gentile's place to tell a Jewish person how they should feel about/use antisemetic terminology.

You can't just throw around "sensitivity" as a catch-all way to write off people being offended as you're not taking into account the very different life experiences and historic of systematic disadvantages/obstacles of the people you are not a part of.

Theres a difference between using slurs to hurt people and using those slurs in a non harmful manner.

My point this whole time is that I find it absurd that a white person who clearly doesnt use the word to offend or uses it to describe unacceptable words is marginalized.

Every individual has difficulties and advantages, this isnt exclusive to minorities. To me, a word shouldnt be given so much power that only a select few can mention it because of their assumed plight.

[chazraps]

Jul 19, 2018 1:58:55 GMT -5 bootytea said:

Jul 19, 2018 1:34:20 GMT -5 chazraps said:

That's because "blacks" have a capacity to understand what being called that word feels like that no one else can possibly know, as well as the freedom to control that word as they're the only ones who truly know how to internalize and repurpose it.

It's a word that means very different things depending the skin color of the person saying it.

It has everything to do with skin color.

It's not a straight cis person's place, who doesn't know what it's like to have your sexuality used as a slur, to tell a LGBTQI+ how they themselves should feel/use such words.

It's not a gentile's place to tell a Jewish person how they should feel about/use antisemetic terminology.

You can't just throw around "sensitivity" as a catch-all way to write off people being offended as you're not taking into account the very different life experiences and historic of systematic disadvantages/obstacles of the people you are not a part of.

Theres a difference between using slurs to hurt people and using those slurs in a non harmful manner.

My point this whole time is that I find it absurd that a white person who clearly doesnt use the word to offend or uses it to describe unacceptable words is marginalized.

Every individual has difficulties and advantages, this isnt exclusive to minorities. To me, a word shouldnt be given so much power that only a select few can mention it because their assumed plight.

But that's not your call to make. You can never know how it feels to be called that word, or have that word used in your presence the same way a black person does.

Intent really doesn't matter in a situation like this, you're suggesting the only bad use of the n-word is when a non-black person angrily calls a black person the n-word - and that's demonstrably false.

Casually using the word, when he absolutely didn't have to, and treating it like any other word is an act of racism because it enforces the idea that the black pain it causes should be of no concern to a white guy on a conference call.

You're missing the point that the way John used it was in such a manner, and why/how that manner is harmful.

And please don't deflect this into "Every individual has difficulties and advantages." This is about slurs, who has the capacity to understand their full gravity and who has the full lane to to use it how they want to. It's not about "Assumed plight." The plight is real. You, apparently being not black, have no idea and no capacity for what being called the n-word is like. You don't have that experience, you don't have the internalized history of how that word has been used, and you also don't have the experience of having someone like you right now telling you how to feel about it.

Please read up on the history of the word before you continue here.

[Starshine]

Jul 18, 2018 22:06:54 GMT -5 bootytea said:

I just finished reading everyones responses and while I disagree with some of it, I respect everyones opinion.

Im not really going to discuss my race as that is part of the problem. Lets just say if I were to wear a politically motivated baseball cap, I wouldnt have to worry about being punched or spit on.

Racism is a serious allegation and from my perspective, a lot of white people are being accused by a mob of people. Im looking at Roseanne, the Netflix executive and now Papa John. Strange thing is that I often see blatant racism towards white people accepted by the public. This will do nobody any good.

Im just an open person that doesnt get hot and bothered about a word used in a certain context. We could go back and forth, but it will likely get ugly. Lol.

I did read and appreciate everyones input.

Maybe that's because white people are the common denominator in these circumstances. Also what are these situations of racism against white people you're seeing so often?

Another thing, words do matter because they're the main way in which we communicate our thoughts and beliefs. When they're used (or not used in certain present circumstances) to promote hate speech, it matters because even if you specifically might not care, others can see that as affirmation for their own prejudices and could take it to another level. It's a problem that's not going to go away through excusing via an intentions argument and hand waving.

[bootytea]

Jul 19, 2018 2:09:33 GMT -5 chazraps said:

Jul 19, 2018 1:58:55 GMT -5 bootytea said:

Theres a difference between using slurs to hurt people and using those slurs in a non harmful manner.

My point this whole time is that I find it absurd that a white person who clearly doesnt use the word to offend or uses it to describe unacceptable words is marginalized.

Every individual has difficulties and advantages, this isnt exclusive to minorities. To me, a word shouldnt be given so much power that only a select few can mention it because their assumed plight.

But that's not your call to make. You can never know how it feels to be called that word, or have that word used in your presence the same way a black person does.

Intent really doesn't matter in a situation like this, you're suggesting the only bad use of the n-word is when a non-black person angrily calls a black person the n-word - and that's demonstrably false.

Casually using the word, when he absolutely didn't have to, and treating it like any other word is an act of racism because it enforces the idea that the black pain it causes should be of no concern to a white guy on a conference call.

You're missing the point that the way John used it was in such a manner, and why/how that manner is harmful.

And please don't deflect this into "Every individual has difficulties and advantages." This is about slurs, who has the capacity to understand their full gravity and who has the full lane to to use it how they want to. It's not about "Assumed plight." The plight is real. You, apparently being not black, have no idea and no capacity for what being called the n-word is like. You don't have that experience, you don't have the internalized history of how that word has been used, and you also don't have the experience of having someone like you right now telling you how to feel about it.

Please read up on the history of the word before you continue here.

You are making assumptions about how people would feel, their difficulty in life and/or sensitivity based on their skin color instead of looking at them as individuals. You are even assuming I am not a black person because of my views. This is the exact reason I didnt mention my race.

There is too much focus on who said what and not the intent. I did mention that people should avoid casually using slurs so not to offend people. I was listening to Joe Rogan talk to another comedian about Rosies joke and they admitted they would laugh at the joke and move on, but understand Rosie is stupid for going there. It really is about respecting peoples sensitivity.

I could tell you I grew up in a well off black family in Zimbabwe, but that doesnt matter. I personally dont find the word offensive, but you keep making this about a group of people versus another group instead of thinking of people as individuals.

Instead of this being about an opinionated loud mouth that said a word which offended people, its turned into a racist man exposing his true colors. Thats amazing to me.

[bootytea]

Jul 19, 2018 2:18:10 GMT -5 Starshine said:

Jul 18, 2018 22:06:54 GMT -5 bootytea said:

I just finished reading everyones responses and while I disagree with some of it, I respect everyones opinion.

Im not really going to discuss my race as that is part of the problem. Lets just say if I were to wear a politically motivated baseball cap, I wouldnt have to worry about being punched or spit on.

Racism is a serious allegation and from my perspective, a lot of white people are being accused by a mob of people. Im looking at Roseanne, the Netflix executive and now Papa John. Strange thing is that I often see blatant racism towards white people accepted by the public. This will do nobody any good.

Im just an open person that doesnt get hot and bothered about a word used in a certain context. We could go back and forth, but it will likely get ugly. Lol.

I did read and appreciate everyones input.

Maybe that's because white people are the common denominator in these circumstances. Also what are these situations of racism against white people you're seeing so often?

Another thing, words do matter because they're the main way in which we communicate our thoughts and beliefs. When they're used (or not used in certain present circumstances) to promote hate speech, it matters because even if you specifically might not care, others can see that as affirmation for their own prejudices and could take it to another level. It's a problem that's not going to go away through excusing via an intentions argument and hand waving.

Examples of racism towards whites is the concept of white privilege which conviniently ignores whites who live in poverty, viral videos from well known companies bashing white people for "ruining things", colleges having no whites allowed days, any time a large organization wants to "diversify", the public uproar over a poster telling people its okay to be white.

I could go on and on with similar examples from North America alone. Dont even get me started about whats going on in South Africa. Lol.

[Sephiroth]

Jul 18, 2018 23:02:33 GMT -5 brown bricks said:

I live around the Chattanooga area and 99.9% of the comments about this on the local news Facebook page is, "Well if THEY can say it, why can't we?" It makes me want to leave not only the area, but the planet altogether. I'm an idiot for reading the comments.

Venturing into lockable territory here folks. For my part I will just say that I think it’s very simple: did your ancestors get subjected to centuries of slavery and Jim Crow? If not-then just don’t use say certain words or phrases. Period.

[The Captain]

Well, these last few posts have certainly highlighted the disconnect between native Africans and black people living in the western world.

Examples of racism towards whites is the concept of white privilege which conviniently ignores whites who live in poverty

No it doesn't. The concept of white privilege isn't that white people always have it easier than black people, but that white people have an advantage over black people in getting ahead in life given equal circumstances. At least at the most basic level. It's a complicated subject and I'd suggest doing your own objective research on it versus going on the talking points from certain people biased against it.

colleges having no whites allowed days

That doesn't actually happen outside of certain politically-aligned websites exaggerating or outright lying to get hits from people who would actually believe such things happen.

any time a large organization wants to "diversify"

These large organizations are already overwhelmingly white and they want to diversify because having people with different life experience tends to be good for business.

the public uproar over a poster telling people its okay to be white.

Because the people posting those things tend to be really f***ing racist and using the cordial tone to mask their vile views on everyone that isn't white.

I could go on and on with similar examples from North America alone. Dont even get me started about whats going on in South Africa. Lol.

Oh yes, South Africa. The country that until about 30 years ago made the Segregration-era US look like bastion of racial harmony.

[Ganon83]

www.forbes.com/sites/forbesdigitalcovers/2018/07/19/the-inside-story-of-papa-johns-toxic-culture/#6f8080e83019

This story isn’t going anywhere soon, is it