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Post by Burst on Jul 24, 2022 19:29:15 GMT -5
I feel like there was recently a novel that basically served as an All Good Things slash Crisis on Infinite Earths to wrap up the existing novel continuity to basically prevent exactly the hemming and hawing that people are seemingly demanding to accommodate them.
Which seems a bit eye rolling to me, because compared to Star Wars rebooting -their- EU, Trek has ALWAYS been upfront about the shows and movies being the only hard and fast canon, and heck for the longest time TAS wasn't part of that and you had the argument about that show.
Also, re: the people complaining about Worf's makeup not being exactly the same, I bet that if you showed them Season 1 TNG Worf vs Season 7 DS9 Worf they'd be like "well yeah but it was the 90s" as if changes in makeup was somehow okay then but isn't anymore.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Jul 24, 2022 20:01:40 GMT -5
Also, re: the people complaining about Worf's makeup not being exactly the same, I bet that if you showed them Season 1 TNG Worf vs Season 7 DS9 Worf they'd be like "well yeah but it was the 90s" as if changes in makeup was somehow okay then but isn't anymore.  The original Worf makeup was so, so terrible. |
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Post by Burst on Jul 24, 2022 20:06:15 GMT -5
I don't know how much of it is the residual voluminous 80s hair giving him the balding elementary school music teacher look or the forehead prosthetic being literally a shade lighter than the rest of him, but you're so right and he looks way older in his promo shots from season 1 than he does in his promo shots from DS9.
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Post by CMWaters on Jul 24, 2022 20:12:33 GMT -5
Honestly looking back, in retrospect I don't think they got Worf's look perfect until near the end of TNG's run:  |
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Jul 24, 2022 20:22:04 GMT -5
 They definitely didn't get Worf's overall look quite right until he got the ponytail. |
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Post by CMWaters on Jul 24, 2022 20:49:10 GMT -5
Part of the problem besides the hair was that his beard still tried to keep some element of the evil foreigner look of TOS Klingons. They veered away with that over time for him.
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Post by Limity (BLM) on Jul 24, 2022 20:56:23 GMT -5
They definitely didn't get Worf's overall look quite right until he got the ponytail. Man, that's what I remember most about Worf in Nemesis, how tired he looked. It doesn't help that his only dialogue was "The Romulans are without honor... The Romulans acted with honor." |
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Post by Limity (BLM) on Jul 24, 2022 20:58:09 GMT -5
Part of the problem besides the hair was that his beard still tried to keep some element of the evil foreigner look of TOS Klingons. They veered away with that over time for him. Damn, this is an interesting observation, and I can see it now that it's pointed out. |
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Post by The Captain on Jul 24, 2022 21:47:38 GMT -5
I feel like there was recently a novel that basically served as an All Good Things slash Crisis on Infinite Earths to wrap up the existing novel continuity to basically prevent exactly the hemming and hawing that people are seemingly demanding to accommodate them. Which seems a bit eye rolling to me, because compared to Star Wars rebooting -their- EU, Trek has ALWAYS been upfront about the shows and movies being the only hard and fast canon, and heck for the longest time TAS wasn't part of that and you had the argument about that show. Also, re: the people complaining about Worf's makeup not being exactly the same, I bet that if you showed them Season 1 TNG Worf vs Season 7 DS9 Worf they'd be like "well yeah but it was the 90s" as if changes in makeup was somehow okay then but isn't anymore. Yeah, like it's pretty crazy how both Picard and Lower Decks actually take stuff from the Star Trek EU (and TAS) and made them show canon. Like the ships in Picard S2 that are right from Star Trek Online. And Lower Decks (and later Picard) taking the USS Titan directly from the books about it, right down to design, class, and even registry number.
But yeah, lots of crazy stuff has happened in the Star Trek books, comics, and games. Unlike Star Wars, there's a lot of stuff that's so contradictory that it's impossible to reconcile as anything but alternate timelines because the books knew they only needed to be canon with books they were in series with. Like in one book series, Deep Space Nine was completely destroyed and they built a new one in its place that was all shiny and Federation-y. In other, it's just the way it is in the shows. Even with how messy the Legends continuity of Star Wars could be, there was nothing that bad.
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Jul 24, 2022 22:15:39 GMT -5
I think another part of why early Worf looked weird was due to the lighting or the type of makeup the show was using or something because early Geordi also often looks weird, comes out with kind of a shiny, lumpy-looking forehead.
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Post by The Captain on Jul 25, 2022 12:11:13 GMT -5
Everyone also looked off in those s1-2 TNG uniforms. They were apparently really uncomfortable too.
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Post by CMWaters on Jul 25, 2022 12:13:11 GMT -5
Everyone also looked off in those s1-2 TNG uniforms. They were apparently really uncomfortable too. Marina Sirtis, for how much she may berate the outfits now, sort of lucked out in that regard because her outfits were probably more comfortable (I could be completely wrong on that, I admit). |
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Jul 25, 2022 12:38:55 GMT -5
Marina Sirtis, for how much she may berate the outfits now, sort of lucked out in that regard because her outfits were probably more comfortable (I could be completely wrong on that, I admit). She probably didn't suffer the crippling back pain everybody else had to deal with, but even she wouldn't have been able to escape the other main issue – spandex doesn't breathe and retains odours even after cleaning, so that outfit would have had two years of accumulated sweat caused by the 12-hour days under the studio lights mixed with the daily dry cleaning chemical treatments. The wardrobe department reportedly reeked so much it was described as almost a physical blow when first walking in there each day. |
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Post by Limity (BLM) on Jul 25, 2022 13:11:11 GMT -5
Marina Sirtis, for how much she may berate the outfits now, sort of lucked out in that regard because her outfits were probably more comfortable (I could be completely wrong on that, I admit). She probably didn't suffer the crippling back pain everybody else had to deal with, but even she wouldn't have been able to escape the other main issue – spandex doesn't breathe and retains odours even after cleaning, so that outfit would have had two years of accumulated sweat caused by the 12-hour days under the studio lights mixed with the daily dry cleaning chemical treatments. The wardrobe department reportedly reeked so much it was described as almost a physical blow when first walking in there each day. We all laughed at the guy wearing the skirt variant uniform. Little did we know he was the only one not in pain. |
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Post by Feyrhausen on Jul 25, 2022 14:10:51 GMT -5
She probably didn't suffer the crippling back pain everybody else had to deal with, but even she wouldn't have been able to escape the other main issue – spandex doesn't breathe and retains odours even after cleaning, so that outfit would have had two years of accumulated sweat caused by the 12-hour days under the studio lights mixed with the daily dry cleaning chemical treatments. The wardrobe department reportedly reeked so much it was described as almost a physical blow when first walking in there each day. We all laughed at the guy wearing the skirt variant uniform. Little did we know he was the only one not in pain. I didnt laugh. That thing looked comfy. Down here in the Louisiana heat and humidity you would feel a nice breeze. |
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Post by Burst on Jul 25, 2022 15:29:17 GMT -5
There's an article I'll have to go back and find that talked about the uniforms from all the shows and movies and was less about objective looks and more of how comfortable they actually were. Feel like the TOS movie uniforms, early DS9/VOY, and late DS9/TNG movies uniforms have been the best regarded by the various casts, though I think the TOS uniforms were also criticized for being ridiculously hot at times.
Actually you'd think Enterprise would've had it best, since their uniforms really weren't/aren't that far off from existing astronaut/aviator jumpsuits.
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Post by The Captain on Jul 25, 2022 15:41:20 GMT -5
There's an article I'll have to go back and find that talked about the uniforms from all the shows and movies and was less about objective looks and more of how comfortable they actually were. Feel like the TOS movie uniforms, early DS9/VOY, and late DS9/TNG movies uniforms have been the best regarded by the various casts, though I think the TOS uniforms were also criticized for being ridiculously hot at times. Actually you'd think Enterprise would've had it best, since their uniforms really weren't/aren't that far off from existing astronaut/aviator jumpsuits. The gray w/colored undershirt First Contact uniforms were my favorite. Glad to hear they were also comfy too. |
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Post by CMWaters on Jul 25, 2022 16:09:09 GMT -5
There's an article I'll have to go back and find that talked about the uniforms from all the shows and movies and was less about objective looks and more of how comfortable they actually were. Feel like the TOS movie uniforms, early DS9/VOY, and late DS9/TNG movies uniforms have been the best regarded by the various casts, though I think the TOS uniforms were also criticized for being ridiculously hot at times. Actually you'd think Enterprise would've had it best, since their uniforms really weren't/aren't that far off from existing astronaut/aviator jumpsuits. I could imagine, as classic as they look, the TWOK-Generations uniforms were somewhat uncomfortable with all those layers. |
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Post by Limity (BLM) on Jul 25, 2022 16:29:48 GMT -5
There's an article I'll have to go back and find that talked about the uniforms from all the shows and movies and was less about objective looks and more of how comfortable they actually were. Feel like the TOS movie uniforms, early DS9/VOY, and late DS9/TNG movies uniforms have been the best regarded by the various casts, though I think the TOS uniforms were also criticized for being ridiculously hot at times. Actually you'd think Enterprise would've had it best, since their uniforms really weren't/aren't that far off from existing astronaut/aviator jumpsuits. I could imagine, as classic as they look, the TWOK-Generations uniforms were somewhat uncomfortable with all those layers. I also love the look of those crushed velvet uniforms, but I can also see them easily becoming ungodly hot. |
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Post by The Summer of Muskrat XVII on Jul 25, 2022 16:30:36 GMT -5
There's an article I'll have to go back and find that talked about the uniforms from all the shows and movies and was less about objective looks and more of how comfortable they actually were. Feel like the TOS movie uniforms, early DS9/VOY, and late DS9/TNG movies uniforms have been the best regarded by the various casts, though I think the TOS uniforms were also criticized for being ridiculously hot at times. Actually you'd think Enterprise would've had it best, since their uniforms really weren't/aren't that far off from existing astronaut/aviator jumpsuits. The gray w/colored undershirt First Contact uniforms were my favorite. Glad to hear they were also comfy too. Yeah, that’s my favourite uniform from that era. Something about it just looked awesome, never been able to quite put my finger on why I liked them so much |
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