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Post by Hit Girl on Jun 23, 2022 18:52:35 GMT -5
Kurtzman - "Ro, now working for the Orions rescues Tom Riker from the Cardassians using a time travel spacesuit stolen in a six episode arc from Jem Hadar/Hirogen hybrids developed by another version of Data but they had turned him into a Klingon android using Borg technology acquired from Ferengi traders who had bribed rebel Vulcans working inside Section 31 and......." That sounds awesome and I'd watch every minute of that. It's actually awful, but concerningly plausible. Kurtzman - "Ro, now working for the Orions rescues Tom Riker from the Cardassians using a time travel spacesuit stolen in a six episode arc from Jem Hadar/Hirogen hybrids developed by another version of Data but they had turned him into a Klingon android using Borg technology acquired from Ferengi traders who had bribed rebel Vulcans working inside Section 31 and......." Hate to burst your bubble, but Kurtzman didn't have much direct involvement in ST: Picard outside of the pilot. Even the original showrunner, Michael Chabon, was pretty much an executive producer in name only for S2. And outside of some stuff with Discovery and Picard S1, I think Kurtzman is doing a pretty great job as sort of the Kevin Feige figure of this new Star Trek run. Strange New Worlds has so far the best first season of any Trek show, old or new. Picard S2 is a huge improvement over the first season (which I still liked outside of how brutal it was to some of the side characters and the copy-paste fleet). Lower Decks is a lot of fun and as much a loving tribute to Trek as a satirical take on its tropes. Prodigy is really good for a show geared primarily to children. Discovery can be inconsistent in both characters and stories, but I'd still take it over most of Voyager and Enterprise. If he's the Kevin Feige of Star Trek, then his influence will be all over these shows, regardless of who actually writes the scripts. |
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Post by The Captain on Jun 23, 2022 18:57:50 GMT -5
Influence isn't direct involvement. Outside of Discovery and a single episode of Picard, he isn't showrunning, writing for, or directing any of the shows.
We haven't heard any stories about him harassing any of the actresses or putting in sexy for the sake of sexy, so he's already better than Berman and Braga there.
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Post by Hit Girl on Jun 24, 2022 1:06:03 GMT -5
Influence isn't direct involvement. Outside of Discovery and a single episode of Picard, he isn't showrunning, writing for, or directing any of the shows. We haven't heard any stories about him harassing any of the actresses or putting in sexy for the sake of sexy, so he's already better than Berman and Braga there. Influence as an executive producer is bad enough. As for being better than Berman and Braga, it isn't a high bar. |
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Post by Larryhausen on Jun 24, 2022 1:11:27 GMT -5
That sounds awesome and I'd watch every minute of that. It's actually awful, but concerningly plausible. Hate to burst your bubble, but Kurtzman didn't have much direct involvement in ST: Picard outside of the pilot. Even the original showrunner, Michael Chabon, was pretty much an executive producer in name only for S2. And outside of some stuff with Discovery and Picard S1, I think Kurtzman is doing a pretty great job as sort of the Kevin Feige figure of this new Star Trek run. Strange New Worlds has so far the best first season of any Trek show, old or new. Picard S2 is a huge improvement over the first season (which I still liked outside of how brutal it was to some of the side characters and the copy-paste fleet). Lower Decks is a lot of fun and as much a loving tribute to Trek as a satirical take on its tropes. Prodigy is really good for a show geared primarily to children. Discovery can be inconsistent in both characters and stories, but I'd still take it over most of Voyager and Enterprise. If he's the Kevin Feige of Star Trek, then his influence will be all over these shows, regardless of who actually writes the scripts. Doesn't seem awful to me in the least. |
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Post by thechase on Jul 23, 2022 15:32:50 GMT -5
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Jul 23, 2022 15:59:50 GMT -5
  Geordi is an admiral and Worf is not a captain. |
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Post by Feyrhausen on Jul 23, 2022 16:16:50 GMT -5
Geordi is an admiral and Worf is not a captain. I read that there was a novel, in canon, where when Picard was promoted Worf was made captain of the Enterprise. It even brought up an incident from DS9 that at the time was said to mean he would never captain a ship. So they are already forgetting their own canon? Or Worf was captain and moved on? |
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Post by BlackoutCreature on Jul 23, 2022 16:21:20 GMT -5
Geordi is an admiral and Worf is not a captain. Random Starfleet Admiral: "Well, I think enough time has passed since the Soukara Incident for us to give Worf his own command. He's more then earned it." Suddenly the room is filled with sparkly lights and Benjamin Lafayette Sisko appears. Sisko: "Are you calling me a liar Admiral?" Sisko proceeds to start taping up his fists in front of the Admiral. DON'T F*** WITH THE SISKO! I read that there was a novel, in canon, where when Picard was promoted Worf was made captain of the Enterprise. It even brought up an incident from DS9 that at the time was said to mean he would never captain a ship. So they are already forgetting their own canon? Or Worf was captain and moved on? EU stuff such as novels and comics are only canon until they're not. Nobody involved in modern Trek is gonna jump through hoops to accommodate a book that the bulk of the people watching the show have never even heard of, let alone read. Honestly I'm more interested in what happened to Worf being the Federation Ambassador to the Klingon Empire at the end of DS9. That, I thought, had a lot of potential, but Nemesis just ignored it. |
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Jul 24, 2022 13:22:49 GMT -5
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Jul 24, 2022 13:35:54 GMT -5
I read that there was a novel, in canon, where when Picard was promoted Worf was made captain of the Enterprise. It even brought up an incident from DS9 that at the time was said to mean he would never captain a ship. So they are already forgetting their own canon? Or Worf was captain and moved on? The show is set 20 years or so after the novels in which he became captain, so yeah, it seems like he was canonically the captain of the Enterprise-E, but is no longer. Given the ship would be about 30 years old at that point it wouldn't surprise me if it's been replaced by the Enterprise-F, and Worf was not part of it's crew. |
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Post by The Captain on Jul 24, 2022 15:50:51 GMT -5
I'm just happy Worf indeed looks like Worf and not one of those weird Discovery klingons.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Jul 24, 2022 17:08:39 GMT -5
I'm just happy Worf indeed looks like Worf and not one of those weird Discovery klingons. Yet there are still people out there complaining that Worf's forehead ridges aren't 100% the same as before. Completely overlooking the fact that Worf's design has altered at least four times over the years as prosthetics have gotten better. |
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Post by The Captain on Jul 24, 2022 17:19:08 GMT -5
I'm just happy Worf indeed looks like Worf and not one of those weird Discovery klingons. Yet there are still people out there complaining that Worf's forehead ridges aren't 100% the same as before. Completely overlooking the fact that Worf's design has altered at least four times over the years as prosthetics have gotten better. It's between that and Michael Dorn getting up there in age. He's going to be 70 years old.
The important thing is he looks like Worf.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Jul 24, 2022 17:22:01 GMT -5
Yet there are still people out there complaining that Worf's forehead ridges aren't 100% the same as before. Completely overlooking the fact that Worf's design has altered at least four times over the years as prosthetics have gotten better. It's between that and Michael Dorn getting up there in age. He's going to be 70 years old.
The important thing is he looks like Worf.
No! Our TV and movies heroes are ageless and should never change! *slams door* |
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Post by The Captain on Jul 24, 2022 18:05:40 GMT -5
Anyway, while I'm sad that some of the actors from S1-2 won't be returning for 3, I'm also okay with the main cast for Picard being TNG Cast + Space Gays.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Jul 24, 2022 18:14:37 GMT -5
Anyway, while I'm sad that some of the actors from S1-2 won't be returning for 3, I'm also okay with the main cast for Picard being TNG Cast + Space Gays. Let's appreciate, for a moment, that with the addition of Riker, Geordi, and Worf to Pike and Vance that Star Trek's silver fox takeover is now complete. |
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Post by Limity (BLM) on Jul 24, 2022 18:23:07 GMT -5
I'm just happy Worf indeed looks like Worf and not one of those weird Discovery klingons. Yet there are still people out there complaining that Worf's forehead ridges aren't 100% the same as before. Completely overlooking the fact that Worf's design has altered at least four times over the years as prosthetics have gotten better. I remember reading that part of Michael Dorn's terms to join DS9 was that they had to get the makeup time down from something like six hours to four. Six hours just on your head. Crazy. |
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Jul 24, 2022 18:33:03 GMT -5
I remember reading that part of Michael Dorn's terms to join DS9 was that they had to get the makeup time down from something like six hours to four. Six hours just on your head. Crazy. Yeah, as much as Dorn loves being Worf, he's complained bitterly over the years about how he hated all the time spent in the makeup chair and that the only condition of his return would be he comes back in a major role to justify going through that again. Also had some further thoughts on the teases of him being a captain but not of a ship... maybe a space station? |
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Post by Feyrhausen on Jul 24, 2022 19:09:01 GMT -5
I remember reading that part of Michael Dorn's terms to join DS9 was that they had to get the makeup time down from something like six hours to four. Six hours just on your head. Crazy. Yeah, as much as Dorn loves being Worf, he's complained bitterly over the years about how he hated all the time spent in the makeup chair and that the only condition of his return would be he comes back in a major role to justify going through that again. Also had some further thoughts on the teases of him being a captain but not of a ship... maybe a space station? Starfleet Security? |
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Post by CMWaters on Jul 24, 2022 19:17:45 GMT -5
Yeah, as much as Dorn loves being Worf, he's complained bitterly over the years about how he hated all the time spent in the makeup chair and that the only condition of his return would be he comes back in a major role to justify going through that again. Also had some further thoughts on the teases of him being a captain but not of a ship... maybe a space station? Starfleet Security? That would explain how Commodore Oh got to power by Season 1... |
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