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Post by The Captain on Mar 14, 2023 14:59:46 GMT -5
The next episode's synopsis: Terry Matalas has confirmed that the "prodigal crewman" has not been featured in any of the promotional materials so far. Speculation seems to settle on {Spoiler}{Spoiler}Ro Laren, since she fits the definition of "prodigy" and given what happened to the Maquis and those who survived, she would have reason to hold a grudge. {Spoiler}Interesting because Michelle Forbes seemed to want nothing to ever do with Star Trek again. Then again, that was when Rick Berman was in charge and given his reputation for treating actresses, maybe things changed because of the new regime. A lot of Trek beta canon stuff has her either rejoin Starfleet after the Maquis is dissolved or end up in the Bajoran militia. IIRC, stories range from her becoming a captain or Bajoran Chief of Security for DS9 after Odo goes back to the Great Link.
I am very excited about the episode titled Dominion. It absolutely sucks that Rene Auberjonois is no longer with us, but since Odo is a changeling, it doesn't mean he has to be gone for good. All you need for a recast is for him to say "I've decided on a new look" when asked. Like in that episode of DS9 with an alternate future, that timeline's Odo looked a lot more like a regular human Rene as he got better at shapeshifting.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Mar 14, 2023 15:46:56 GMT -5
I am very excited about the episode titled Dominion. It absolutely sucks that Rene Auberjonois is no longer with us, but since Odo is a changeling, it doesn't mean he has to be gone for good. All you need for a recast is for him to say "I've decided on a new look" when asked. Like in that episode of DS9 with an alternate future, that timeline's Odo looked a lot more like a regular human Rene as he got better at shapeshifting. They could cast Remy Auberjonois, he's a close enough resemblance to his dad that it could work.  |
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Post by CMWaters on Mar 14, 2023 15:50:43 GMT -5
But could Remy match his father's Odo voice?
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Post by SHAKEMASTER TV9 is Don Knotts on Mar 14, 2023 15:51:34 GMT -5
All the goodwill the show has built in season 3 will be gone if they recast Odo.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Mar 14, 2023 15:54:15 GMT -5
I am very excited about the episode titled Dominion. It absolutely sucks that Rene Auberjonois is no longer with us, but since Odo is a changeling, it doesn't mean he has to be gone for good. All you need for a recast is for him to say "I've decided on a new look" when asked. Like in that episode of DS9 with an alternate future, that timeline's Odo looked a lot more like a regular human Rene as he got better at shapeshifting. They could cast Remy Auberjonois, he's a close enough resemblance to his dad that it could work. Even for a father and son, that’s a scary resemblance. |
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Post by CMWaters on Mar 14, 2023 15:56:24 GMT -5
All the goodwill the show has built in season 3 will be gone if they recast Odo. Would it though? Yes, he would be the first TNG era main character that would have been recast (Bruce Maddox doesn't count from Season 1), but at this point we've had an entire series worth of characters in the TOS era (some twice thanks to the Kelvin movies and Discovery/Strange New Worlds). I would think Odo being a shapeshifter would make it easier to explain a different look rather than if they recast, say, Kira to someone different than Nana Visitor at this time. Or if they tried to recast Nog. |
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Mar 14, 2023 18:28:02 GMT -5
The fifth episode was accidentally released early in Brazil for a few hours before Paramount+ noticed. The guest character is: {Spoiler}  |
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Post by CMWaters on Mar 15, 2023 16:34:57 GMT -5
One more preview clip before the premier tomorrow.
Though this clip does make me wonder for some reason: how come Chameloids like Martia from Star Trek VI were never brought up when Changelings became more prevalent? Were they just extinct by the time of DS9 or something? You'd think that Kirk would have reported at least one had existed before and a comparison could have been drawn up even off-handedly in DS9 (unless Picard is planning to do that since they seem more open to interconnecting Trek series these days than they were in the past).
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Post by Limity (BLM) on Mar 15, 2023 16:53:47 GMT -5
One more preview clip before the premier tomorrow. Though this clip does make me wonder for some reason: how come Chameloids like Martia from Star Trek VI were never brought up when Changelings became more prevalent? Were they just extinct by the time of DS9 or something? You'd think that Kirk would have reported at least one had existed before and a comparison could have been drawn up even off-handedly in DS9 (unless Picard is planning to do that since they seem more open to interconnecting Trek series these days than they were in the past). There have been a few various aliens that could change shape throughout TOS and TNG. I always assumed that the difference was that a changeling could turn into anything it wanted, even small inanimate objects like Odo used to do all the time, or when Laas turned himself into fog. |
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Post by CMWaters on Mar 16, 2023 3:04:39 GMT -5
Well then. {Spoiler}Seeing Ro back was a nice thing to see, and we finally got resolution from her last appearance. Sad that she had to sacrifice herself for the greater good in all this. Would have liked to have seen her and Geordi (who they're taking their time bringing in as we're at the halfway point) interact but Picard and Riker were her two major interactions of the main cast so it works.
Changelings evolved further...guess it would make sense after their first major defeat like they had in the Dominion War (remember, they said they hadn't failed a major conflict like that in thousands of years) they would find a new wrinkle to make things harder. And this time they're not holding back if they had four at once on one ship. Though apparently this new evolution to their physiology makes them easier to kill than before.
Criminal Vulcan was an interesting twist to everything with the Worf/Raffi plot, which is connecting to everything else now.
The AI that is protecting Daystrom: could that be how Moriarty plays a part in all this? Would be a stretch to explain but so far it's the best lead to it all. |
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Post by thechase on Mar 16, 2023 9:14:57 GMT -5
{Spoiler}Picard S3 Episode Five
A 30 year pay off to "Premptive Strike" as Ro returns to lead an investigation into Picard's actions...but it turns out the starship that's intercepted the Titan is after Jack and is compromised by Changelings. Beverly discovers the Changelings have evolved their state and can pass blood tests and even pass for genuine human organs
We get a much needed Conversation between Picard and Ro, as their mutual sense of betrayal convinces the other they are on the same side
One thing I don't get is The Changelings don't disable the shuttle before planting the explosive charge, it basically allows Ro to fly straight into the Intrepid and damage it...but then, with what Riker says about the Intrepid framing the Titan, maybe they were counting on Ro to make such a sacrifice knowing it would play into their chess game?
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Mar 16, 2023 20:37:20 GMT -5
My god, I f***ing love Shaw. He's such a catty bitch.
"Oh, and, um, as a courtesy, because of the harrowing ordeal that we all survived together, I'm gonna step outside so the three of you can get your bullshit story straight."
- "Do you mind?"
- "Oh. Sorry. Just feeling chipper. Not because you're about to have your asses handed to you. No. Just... chipper."
- "You know, we have saved the galaxy more than a few times."
- "And hopefully they'll remember."
- "Or they might remember that time that someone hot-dropped the saucer section of the Enterprise-D on a planet. Or that time that someone threw the Prime Directive out the window so they could snog a villager on Ba'ku. Or the time that you boys nearly wiped out all of humanity by creating a time paradox in the Devron system. Basically, when it comes to rescues from danger you two have a real chicken-and-egg thing happening."
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Post by CMWaters on Mar 16, 2023 20:41:56 GMT -5
My god, I f***ing love Shaw. He's such a catty bitch. "Oh, and, um, as a courtesy, because of the harrowing ordeal that we all survived together, I'm gonna step outside so the three of you can get your bullshit story straight."
- "Do you mind?"
- "Oh. Sorry. Just feeling chipper. Not because you're about to have your asses handed to you. No. Just... chipper."
- "You know, we have saved the galaxy more than a few times."
- "And hopefully they'll remember."
- "Or they might remember that time that someone hot-dropped the saucer section of the Enterprise-D on a planet. Or that time that someone threw the Prime Directive out the window so they could snog a villager on Ba'ku. Or the time that you boys nearly wiped out all of humanity by creating a time paradox in the Devron system. Basically, when it comes to rescues from danger you two have a real chicken-and-egg thing happening."Here's hoping nothing bad happens to him by series end. Though surprised the "All Good Things" situation was that public record in Starfleet considering by the end of it, that timeline never happened. |
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Mar 16, 2023 21:18:11 GMT -5
Here's hoping nothing bad happens to him by series end. Though surprised the "All Good Things" situation was that public record in Starfleet considering by the end of it, that timeline never happened. It would tickle me if, much like Strange New Worlds was essentially willed into existence by the fans because Pike was just so damn charming and likeable, we got a Titan show because Shaw is such a charmless asshole. The line where he's recounting the TNG crew's past adventures is a great example of his asshole nature, given the loss of the Enterprise-D was the result of some brilliant tactical thinking on Soran's part, the Prime Directive was not broken in Insurrection, and Q was up to his eyeballs in the Devron incident. While the timeline never happened Picard still remembered it, so presumably he put it in a report, especially since it involved Q. Whether it's public knowledge or not, or if it's classified, is open to debate. |
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Post by Zone Was Wrong on Mar 16, 2023 21:27:57 GMT -5
Here's hoping nothing bad happens to him by series end. Though surprised the "All Good Things" situation was that public record in Starfleet considering by the end of it, that timeline never happened. It would tickle me if, much like Strange New Worlds was essentially willed into existence by the fans because Pike was just so damn charming and likeable, we got a Titan show because Shaw is such a charmless asshole. The line where he's recounting the TNG crew's past adventures is a great example of his asshole nature, given the loss of the Enterprise-D was the result of some brilliant tactical thinking on Soran's part, the Prime Directive was not broken in Insurrection, and Q was up to his eyeballs in the Devron incident. While the timeline never happened Picard still remembered it, so presumably he put it in a report, especially since it involved Q. Whether it's public knowledge or not, or if it's classified, is open to debate. Have to imagine at least Captains get briefed on stuff like that, just in case. |
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Post by CMWaters on Mar 16, 2023 21:30:22 GMT -5
It would tickle me if, much like Strange New Worlds was essentially willed into existence by the fans because Pike was just so damn charming and likeable, we got a Titan show because Shaw is such a charmless asshole. The line where he's recounting the TNG crew's past adventures is a great example of his asshole nature, given the loss of the Enterprise-D was the result of some brilliant tactical thinking on Soran's part, the Prime Directive was not broken in Insurrection, and Q was up to his eyeballs in the Devron incident. While the timeline never happened Picard still remembered it, so presumably he put it in a report, especially since it involved Q. Whether it's public knowledge or not, or if it's classified, is open to debate. Have to imagine at least Captains get briefed on stuff like that, just in case. Oh, so Omega Directive level. |
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Mar 16, 2023 21:45:44 GMT -5
Have to imagine at least Captains get briefed on stuff like that, just in case. As I recall from Voyager and DS9, only captains had been briefed on the Enterprise's encounters with Q, and in Lower Decks it seems knowledge of the Continuum on other ships seems to be scuttlebutt rather than anything officially released. Stands to reason that since Q quite literally got Picard into the incident in the Devron system it would go in an official report that Shaw would have access to. |
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Post by The Captain on Mar 16, 2023 22:47:24 GMT -5
The only encounters the Federation has had with the Q Continuum (that we know of) are with the Picard Enterprise, Deep Space 9, the Voyager, and the Cerritos. The only human civilian in modern times that had an encounter with them is Vash.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Mar 16, 2023 23:04:54 GMT -5
The only encounters the Federation has had with the Q Continuum (that we know of) are with the Picard Enterprise, Deep Space 9, the Voyager, and the Cerritos. The only human civilian in modern times that had an encounter with them is Vash. And as of the 32nd century the last contact humanity had with the Continuum was in the 2590s. Given time is a meaningless construct for the Continuum, do we assume that this was when Q realised there wasn't any member of the human race that he liked as much as Picard and Janeway and left humanity alone? It's not like anybody else in the Continuum had any interest. |
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Post by The Captain on Mar 17, 2023 0:07:41 GMT -5
The only encounters the Federation has had with the Q Continuum (that we know of) are with the Picard Enterprise, Deep Space 9, the Voyager, and the Cerritos. The only human civilian in modern times that had an encounter with them is Vash. And as of the 32nd century the last contact humanity had with the Continuum was in the 2590s. Given time is a meaningless construct for the Continuum, do we assume that this was when Q realised there wasn't any member of the human race that he liked as much as Picard and Janeway and left humanity alone? It's not like anybody else in the Continuum had any interest. Well considering Q apparently died in S2 of Picard, I wonder who else in the Continuum would share his interest. Maybe Junior? Or the Q formerly known as Amanda Rogers? |
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