To those who find the appeal in Lil Pump's Gucci Gang

[willywonka666]

www.youtube.com/watch?v=4LfJnj66HVQ

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So legit question. It currently has 779,950,768 views on Youtube, so someone has to like it. Maybe you know someone that does. I'm very curious, FAN

[xCompackx]

Man, I would love to know what the appeal is of this entire "mumble rap" thing. Like, are people listening to it because they can't understand the lyrics/don't really care about lyrics/don't really want anything being conveyed at all? I don't get it. I especially don't get how guys like Future are so popular despite doing exclusively this, but with autotune.



Also, I have Spotify radio on when driving home and I will never not burst out laughing whenever Lil Uzi Vert does that "Yea yea yea yea" thing on Bad and Boujee. Like, what in the actual f***?

[Deleted]

I think the problem from a psychological level. Is the previous generations have gone as far as you can go in terms of being a rebellious asshole. Artists like Kiss, Alice Cooper, Manson, Eminem etc have pushed the bar as far as it can go. There are no new ways to reinvent being a rebellious asshole.

So now the pendulum has swung the other way, where the new way to be rebellious is to act like a nonsensical moron and thus mumble rap was born. If kids listen to Kiss, Manson, Eminem type artists, their parents won't really care. The only way for kids to rebel against their parents is to listen to silly drivel.

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Aug 31, 2018 21:30:07 GMT -5 xCompackx said:

Man, I would love to know what the appeal is of this entire "mumble rap" thing. Like, are people listening to it because they can't understand the lyrics/don't really care about lyrics/don't really want anything being conveyed at all? I don't get it. I especially don't get how guys like Future are so popular despite doing exclusively this, but with autotune.



Also, I have Spotify radio on when driving home and I will never not burst out laughing whenever Lil Uzi Vert does that "Yea yea yea yea" thing on Bad and Boujee. Like, what in the actual f***?

I'd like to explain this and at the same time explain the OP. For reference, I'm a 31 year old black man from the South who had Kriss Kross posters on his wall and has been with hip-hop my entire life, heavy.

People listen to it because of the flow, delivery and overall vibe it conveys. While the lyrics aren't really there, if you pay attention to the lyrics in it's most broken down form they're pretty easy to understand. That makes it easy for others to repeat themselves unlike an Eminem rhyme where most would have to practice in order to say it right. "Gucci gang, gucci gang, gucci gang" is way easier than saying "Yeah ma, your dude is back, the Maybach Coupe is back / Tell the whole world the truth is back" even though the latter is deeper and more interesting to the majority. So off the bat you have the easy lyrics, anyone who says it can really "be a rapper" and given it's so easy to say it gives you confidence. A rapper's confidence is one of the most crucial points in delivery because if you aren't delivering your lyrics in confidence, it sounds like you're reading off a piece of paper. That's one of the reason why a lot of people who try to rap sound like that they're reading, they're not delivering the lyrics with confidence, conviction.

Next, the biggest point probably, is the flow. Pump, Uzi, most rappers these days are all about flow. Future came up under the Dungeon Family IE the Outkasts, Goodie Mobs, he came up under that camp so the reason he's this popular (and in a way the reason he's arguably the Godfather of this thing) is because Future knows melody, he knows flow, he knows how to make his voice an instrument. That's crucial because at that point it becomes similar to say a wrestling theme.

Listen to Undisputed Era's theme and listen to where the guitar really hits in the track, you know, when Kyle does the guitar thing. Now imagine the guitar being Future's voice. That's why he's likeable and why a lot of this style of hip-hop is loved. These days with more kids on pills their minds actually pay attention to the instruments and easy lyrics than the deeper stuff as well but that's another story.

Nah, lyrics do matter and lyricists always last especially in hip-hop. With that said it's just music at the end of the day.

Personally, I love me some Future. Still at the end of the day I'm putting Jay in my number 1 spot and as a writer, lyrics appeal most to me. The perfect mix is having lyrics, flow, delivery, a dope beat, just everything meshes. It's possible for people to love 1 area however.

[chazraps]

Remember prog rock critics of punk rock in the 70s.

They were like "they're only playing three chords!"

And punk fans were like "Yeah!"

[DZ: WF Legacy]

Tuning out of 90% of the things that get popular with young people will retain your sanity. Emptiness sells if its cool enough on the surface.

[The Barber]

Aug 31, 2018 23:31:08 GMT -5 chazraps said:

Remember prog rock critics of punk rock in the 70s.

They were like "they're only playing three chords!"

And punk fans were like "Yeah!"

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Aug 31, 2018 23:31:08 GMT -5 chazraps said:

Remember prog rock critics of punk rock in the 70s.

They were like "they're only playing three chords!"

And punk fans were like "Yeah!"

[Gawk Rivers]

Aug 31, 2018 22:03:55 GMT -5 @kn said:

Aug 31, 2018 21:30:07 GMT -5 xCompackx said:

Man, I would love to know what the appeal is of this entire "mumble rap" thing. Like, are people listening to it because they can't understand the lyrics/don't really care about lyrics/don't really want anything being conveyed at all? I don't get it. I especially don't get how guys like Future are so popular despite doing exclusively this, but with autotune.



Also, I have Spotify radio on when driving home and I will never not burst out laughing whenever Lil Uzi Vert does that "Yea yea yea yea" thing on Bad and Boujee. Like, what in the actual f***?

I'd like to explain this and at the same time explain the OP. For reference, I'm a 31 year old black man from the South who had Kriss Kross posters on his wall and has been with hip-hop my entire life, heavy.

People listen to it because of the flow, delivery and overall vibe it conveys. While the lyrics aren't really there, if you pay attention to the lyrics in it's most broken down form they're pretty easy to understand. That makes it easy for others to repeat themselves unlike an Eminem rhyme where most would have to practice in order to say it right. "Gucci gang, gucci gang, gucci gang" is way easier than saying "Yeah ma, your dude is back, the Maybach Coupe is back / Tell the whole world the truth is back" even though the latter is deeper and more interesting to the majority. So off the bat you have the easy lyrics, anyone who says it can really "be a rapper" and given it's so easy to say it gives you confidence. A rapper's confidence is one of the most crucial points in delivery because if you aren't delivering your lyrics in confidence, it sounds like you're reading off a piece of paper. That's one of the reason why a lot of people who try to rap sound like that they're reading, they're not delivering the lyrics with confidence, conviction.

Next, the biggest point probably, is the flow. Pump, Uzi, most rappers these days are all about flow. Future came up under the Dungeon Family IE the Outkasts, Goodie Mobs, he came up under that camp so the reason he's this popular (and in a way the reason he's arguably the Godfather of this thing) is because Future knows melody, he knows flow, he knows how to make his voice an instrument. That's crucial because at that point it becomes similar to say a wrestling theme.

Listen to Undisputed Era's theme and listen to where the guitar really hits in the track, you know, when Kyle does the guitar thing. Now imagine the guitar being Future's voice. That's why he's likeable and why a lot of this style of hip-hop is loved. These days with more kids on pills their minds actually pay attention to the instruments and easy lyrics than the deeper stuff as well but that's another story.

Nah, lyrics do matter and lyricists always last especially in hip-hop. With that said it's just music at the end of the day.

Personally, I love me some Future. Still at the end of the day I'm putting Jay in my number 1 spot and as a writer, lyrics appeal most to me. The perfect mix is having lyrics, flow, delivery, a dope beat, just everything meshes. It's possible for people to love 1 area however.

This is such a ridiculously good post, but just to add to it

Gucci Gang's got like one of the most painfully memorable hooks of anything that came out last year. You hear it once and you remember it right down to the exact cadence forever. It's the type of thing that other rappers would *kill* to have written, even if it's just a dude incoherently going GUCCIGANGGUCCIGANGUCCIGANG. Like, I'll be the first to admit that I don't usually vibe with mumble rap type stuff at all (extremely including Lil Pump), but it's got merit to it.   

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Sept 1, 2018 0:48:16 GMT -5 Gawk Rivers said:

Aug 31, 2018 22:03:55 GMT -5 @kn said:

I'd like to explain this and at the same time explain the OP. For reference, I'm a 31 year old black man from the South who had Kriss Kross posters on his wall and has been with hip-hop my entire life, heavy.

People listen to it because of the flow, delivery and overall vibe it conveys. While the lyrics aren't really there, if you pay attention to the lyrics in it's most broken down form they're pretty easy to understand. That makes it easy for others to repeat themselves unlike an Eminem rhyme where most would have to practice in order to say it right. "Gucci gang, gucci gang, gucci gang" is way easier than saying "Yeah ma, your dude is back, the Maybach Coupe is back / Tell the whole world the truth is back" even though the latter is deeper and more interesting to the majority. So off the bat you have the easy lyrics, anyone who says it can really "be a rapper" and given it's so easy to say it gives you confidence. A rapper's confidence is one of the most crucial points in delivery because if you aren't delivering your lyrics in confidence, it sounds like you're reading off a piece of paper. That's one of the reason why a lot of people who try to rap sound like that they're reading, they're not delivering the lyrics with confidence, conviction.

Next, the biggest point probably, is the flow. Pump, Uzi, most rappers these days are all about flow. Future came up under the Dungeon Family IE the Outkasts, Goodie Mobs, he came up under that camp so the reason he's this popular (and in a way the reason he's arguably the Godfather of this thing) is because Future knows melody, he knows flow, he knows how to make his voice an instrument. That's crucial because at that point it becomes similar to say a wrestling theme.

Listen to Undisputed Era's theme and listen to where the guitar really hits in the track, you know, when Kyle does the guitar thing. Now imagine the guitar being Future's voice. That's why he's likeable and why a lot of this style of hip-hop is loved. These days with more kids on pills their minds actually pay attention to the instruments and easy lyrics than the deeper stuff as well but that's another story.

Nah, lyrics do matter and lyricists always last especially in hip-hop. With that said it's just music at the end of the day.

Personally, I love me some Future. Still at the end of the day I'm putting Jay in my number 1 spot and as a writer, lyrics appeal most to me. The perfect mix is having lyrics, flow, delivery, a dope beat, just everything meshes. It's possible for people to love 1 area however.

This is such a ridiculously good post, but just to add to it

Gucci Gang's got like one of the most painfully memorable hooks of anything that came out last year. You hear it once and you remember it right down to the exact cadence forever. It's the type of thing that other rappers would *kill* to have written, even if it's just a dude incoherently going GUCCIGANGGUCCIGANGUCCIGANG. Like, I'll be the first to admit that I don't usually vibe with mumble rap type stuff at all (extremely including Lil Pump), but it's got merit to it.   

Yep exactly. People don't know how hard it is to write a memorable hook, it's not easy at all. Damn near every single's got a hook in it and most of them don't catch you like a "hook" is supposed to. Pump had a hit with those lines.

[Deleted]

I'm pretty sure ICP has better rap skill then most mumble rapper today.

[Deleted]

Sept 1, 2018 4:29:18 GMT -5 @shadowcage said:

I'm pretty sure ICP has better rap skill then most mumble rapper today.

ICP is awesome, using them as a comparison for bad music is unfair.

[BayleyTiffyCodyCenaJudyHopps]

I shouldn’t have to justify why I enjoy the music I do. I like what I like. That’s it.

Let other people listen to what they feel like.

[xCompackx]

Aug 31, 2018 22:03:55 GMT -5 @kn said:

Aug 31, 2018 21:30:07 GMT -5 xCompackx said:

Man, I would love to know what the appeal is of this entire "mumble rap" thing. Like, are people listening to it because they can't understand the lyrics/don't really care about lyrics/don't really want anything being conveyed at all? I don't get it. I especially don't get how guys like Future are so popular despite doing exclusively this, but with autotune.



Also, I have Spotify radio on when driving home and I will never not burst out laughing whenever Lil Uzi Vert does that "Yea yea yea yea" thing on Bad and Boujee. Like, what in the actual f***?

I'd like to explain this and at the same time explain the OP. For reference, I'm a 31 year old black man from the South who had Kriss Kross posters on his wall and has been with hip-hop my entire life, heavy.

People listen to it because of the flow, delivery and overall vibe it conveys. While the lyrics aren't really there, if you pay attention to the lyrics in it's most broken down form they're pretty easy to understand. That makes it easy for others to repeat themselves unlike an Eminem rhyme where most would have to practice in order to say it right. "Gucci gang, gucci gang, gucci gang" is way easier than saying "Yeah ma, your dude is back, the Maybach Coupe is back / Tell the whole world the truth is back" even though the latter is deeper and more interesting to the majority. So off the bat you have the easy lyrics, anyone who says it can really "be a rapper" and given it's so easy to say it gives you confidence. A rapper's confidence is one of the most crucial points in delivery because if you aren't delivering your lyrics in confidence, it sounds like you're reading off a piece of paper. That's one of the reason why a lot of people who try to rap sound like that they're reading, they're not delivering the lyrics with confidence, conviction.

Next, the biggest point probably, is the flow. Pump, Uzi, most rappers these days are all about flow. Future came up under the Dungeon Family IE the Outkasts, Goodie Mobs, he came up under that camp so the reason he's this popular (and in a way the reason he's arguably the Godfather of this thing) is because Future knows melody, he knows flow, he knows how to make his voice an instrument. That's crucial because at that point it becomes similar to say a wrestling theme.

Listen to Undisputed Era's theme and listen to where the guitar really hits in the track, you know, when Kyle does the guitar thing. Now imagine the guitar being Future's voice. That's why he's likeable and why a lot of this style of hip-hop is loved. These days with more kids on pills their minds actually pay attention to the instruments and easy lyrics than the deeper stuff as well but that's another story.

Nah, lyrics do matter and lyricists always last especially in hip-hop. With that said it's just music at the end of the day.

Personally, I love me some Future. Still at the end of the day I'm putting Jay in my number 1 spot and as a writer, lyrics appeal most to me. The perfect mix is having lyrics, flow, delivery, a dope beat, just everything meshes. It's possible for people to love 1 area however.

Wow, great post. Yeah, I wasn't trying to sound like a "Oh, you can't understand these words? Well it's not music then!" elitist; I just legit didn't get the appeal. But, thanks for explaining it!

Sept 1, 2018 7:10:57 GMT -5 BayleyTiffyCodyCenaJudyHopps said:

I shouldn’t have to justify why I enjoy the music I do. I like what I like. That’s it.

Let other people listen to what they feel like.

Oh, definitely. Trying to judge people on the music they listen to is the silliest thing.

[OldDirtyBernie]

Good god I'm old. I don't know who any of these people are.

[BrodietheSlayer]

Sept 1, 2018 8:15:50 GMT -5 OldDirtyBernie said:

Good god I'm old. I don't know who any of these people are.

Consider yourself lucky in this case. The only reason I heard the song was due to Todd in the Shadows, and, yeah, kind of heard all I needed to hear to know that I didn't need to hear any more.

[Derk!]

Can't stand it personally. I don't see the appeal in a guy mumbling lyrics over a badass beat.

But I'm extremely picky when it comes to rap to begin with.

On the flip side, I feel people wouldn't see the appeal in shrieking/growled/shouted lyrics over heavily distorted guitars and intense drums in the music I listen to.

[The Captain]

Gucci Gang is a horrible song but damn if it isn't catchy either. Like I'd never voluntarily listen to it, but the hook bores into your brain.

[OVO 40 hunched over like he 80]

It’s shit but not the worst of that genre.

Now 6ix9ine and Yatchy, now that’s the absolute worst. I’d rather go deaf.

[2coldMack is even more baffled]

I'll be the first to admit that I don't "get it", but as a thirty year old white dude, I'm probably not supposed to, so...eh, hard to shit on stuff I'm very definitely not the target audience for.