Paul Heyman & Dixie Carter Contrast & Comparision

[Captain Stud Muffin (BLM)]

This is based off a convo in the sacrilegious thread

So let's compare and contrast the two as both have their critics and some lovers

I'll start off with a few

Both f***ed around their rosters when it came to paying them

[OVO 40 hunched over like he 80]

Dixie Carter is just a female richer version of Heyman.

Paul was also a trust fund baby.

Both blamed the mailman for the checks arriving late.

Both are liars. You can’t believe anything that comes out of their mouths.

Both have delusions of grandeur.

Both killed their companies.

Dixie only avoided a bankruptcy trial because a moron bailed tna out at the last second.

[Allie Kitsune]

The one thing Paul had that Dixie didn't was that he was able to Svengali a lot of the ECW roster into loyalty moreso than Dixie.

Sure, people paid lip service to her (Hi, TJP), but I don't get the feeling they felt any real loyalty to her.

[Final Countdown Jones]

They were both malicious and manipulative, but Dixie was also an idiot. She got away with a lot of really vile stuff with her old southern charm and clueless act that tried to deflect and did fool people, but she was also dumber than a bag of hammers and got played by other carnies and even in some places played herself, like in the move to Destination America. Heyman always seemed like he was in control of things and had everyone in line, and where he didn't they were out anyway, but Dixie got played by Hogan, Bischoff, Russo, and a ton of other guys. Especially if you buy into Cornette's allegations that she was sleeping with Nash and that Nash was all over trying to curry favour with her in the process.

At the end of the day they're both slime and both left behind lots of damage to people and to the business, and the major difference to me is that one was evil and stupid, one was just evil

[Feyrhausen]

Give Heyman some credit on the creative end. He knew what they 90s audience wanted, he put it together well, he presented wrestlers to emphasize their strengths and cover their weaknesses. He just needed someone keeping an eye on the budget. Just like Russo needed a creative filter, Heyman needed a money filter.

Dixie had all the money she should have needed, a network that wanted her to succeed, stars from WWE that had something to prove. There is nothing that should have been able to hold her back from being the strong number two promotion that they came within a hairs breath of being in 2006-2008. Nothing except impatience and giving in to the carnies looking to feather their own nests at Pandas expense. Which eventually lost her the budget and stars. And her newfound ego and desire to be a star cost her the network. And eventually the company.

[Captain Stud Muffin (BLM)]

Sept 4, 2018 17:44:25 GMT -5 Final Countdown Jones said:

They were both malicious and manipulative, but Dixie was also an idiot. She got away with a lot of really vile stuff with her old southern charm and clueless act that tried to deflect and did fool people, but she was also dumber than a bag of hammers and got played by other carnies and even in some places played herself, like in the move to Destination America. Heyman always seemed like he was in control of things and had everyone in line, and where he didn't they were out anyway, but Dixie got played by Hogan, Bischoff, Russo, and a ton of other guys. Especially if you buy into Cornette's allegations that she was sleeping with Nash and that Nash was all over trying to curry favour with her in the process.

At the end of the day they're both slime and both left behind lots of damage to people and to the business, and the major difference to me is that one was evil and stupid, one was just evil

Also helps that Heyman has talent as an in ring personality so he can transfer some of his goodwill out due to being good at something else

Eric Bischoff was the same way with being able to negate the BS at the end with WCW and going to WWE and being a very good on screen character

I said this before, if Dixie had any type of onscreen presence she'd be killing it as EC3 manager. Wouldn't have put it past her to get Vickie levels of heat if she had any talent but she doesn't

[Stone Coke Miami Watson 🥃]

Paul is looked at more fondly than Dixie....both f***ed around their rosters and lied to them, but people seem to look at Paul in a more positive light

[The Barber]

If I'm not mistaken, Dixie at least paid her people. It might not have been on time, but she paid them. Paul still owes people money. I think his closeness with Vince McMahon is why people tend to forgive Paul Heyman.

[Captain Stud Muffin (BLM)]

Sept 4, 2018 18:31:57 GMT -5 The Barber said:

If I'm not mistaken, Dixie at least paid her people. It might not have been on time, but she paid them. Paul still owes people money. I think his closeness with Vince McMahon is why people tend to forgive Paul Heyman.

Well in the case of EY and Roode she was supposed to have owed them a combined 6 figures and they were able to escape their contracts by forgoing the money

[J. Hova]

There really isn't a comparison in my mind.

Paul Heyman, with all of his flaws, is a creative genius who could get the most out of someone and is made for wrestling. Unfortunately for as great as he is creatively, he is as bad on the business side. If I ran into an unlimited amount of money tomorrow and decided to start a competitor to the WWE. Paul Heyman would be on a very short list to head up creative.

Dixie Carter...I guess the one thing you can say about her contributions to wrestling is that she might have finally shown how not to run a supposed competitor to the WWE and how you can have a stacked roster at one point and still manage to foul it up. Same money scenario as above, I might hire Dixie to remind her on a weekly basis of how much of a ditz she is or invite her into creative meetings so I could know what not to do.

The only thing they have in common is the monetary issues...which I think you could list almost endlessly promoters that owe talent money or screwed talent on the payoffs.

[OVO 40 hunched over like he 80]

Sept 4, 2018 18:17:07 GMT -5 Stone Coke Miami Watson 🥃 said:

Paul is looked at more fondly than Dixie....both f***ed around their rosters and lied to them, but people seem to look at Paul in a more positive light

I think that after Tommy Dreamer appeared on the Austin podcast, public opinion turned on Heyman.

Basically Heyman let ECW died and did nothing about it despite having a serious offer to sell ECW, but Heyman sabotaged the deal. Dreamer also implied that Heyman sabotaged the deal because he was on bed with the wwe.

After that and the STWW podcast about Heyman, I think most fans see him as a thief and a liar on the same level as Dixie.

[Captain Stud Muffin (BLM)]

Sept 4, 2018 20:49:03 GMT -5 OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 said:

Sept 4, 2018 18:17:07 GMT -5 Stone Coke Miami Watson 🥃 said:

Paul is looked at more fondly than Dixie....both f***ed around their rosters and lied to them, but people seem to look at Paul in a more positive light

I think that after Tommy Dreamer appeared on the Austin podcast, public opinion turned on Heyman.

Basically Heyman let ECW died and did nothing about it despite having a serious offer to sell ECW, but Heyman sabotaged the deal. Dreamer also implied that Heyman sabotaged the deal because he was on bed with the wwe.

After that and the STWW podcast about Heyman, I think most fans see him as a thief and a liar on the same level as Dixie.

The problem is that sort of info in terms of Heyman being a snake has been known for years but people wasn't trying to hear it

[OVO 40 hunched over like he 80]

Sept 4, 2018 21:00:57 GMT -5 Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) said:

Sept 4, 2018 20:49:03 GMT -5 OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 said:

I think that after Tommy Dreamer appeared on the Austin podcast, public opinion turned on Heyman.

Basically Heyman let ECW died and did nothing about it despite having a serious offer to sell ECW, but Heyman sabotaged the deal. Dreamer also implied that Heyman sabotaged the deal because he was on bed with the wwe.

After that and the STWW podcast about Heyman, I think most fans see him as a thief and a liar on the same level as Dixie.

The problem is that sort of info in terms of Heyman being a snake has been known for years but people wasn't trying to hear it

Not on that level, people gave him a pass because he was a good wrestling mind and thought he was only bad with money.

Tommy uncovered some deep shit. For example, wcw was desperate so Bischoff called and pitched an invasion angle, Tommy agreed because ecw was hemorrhaging money and guys hadn’t been paid, Paul rejected it saying that Vince would go crazy, later Dreamer realized that it was because the wwe was paying them, and apparently Heyman kept the money.

An ecw truck was also on Tommy Dreamer’s name so he lost a lot of money because of the bankruptcy stuff.

Also Prichard claimed that Heyman would bury his own ecw guys during creative meetings.

["Magic" Mark Hurr]

Sept 4, 2018 22:25:09 GMT -5 OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 said:

Sept 4, 2018 21:00:57 GMT -5 Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) said:

The problem is that sort of info in terms of Heyman being a snake has been known for years but people wasn't trying to hear it

Not on that level, people gave him a pass because he was a good wrestling mind and thought he was only bad with money.

Tommy uncovered some deep shit. For example, wcw was desperate so Bischoff called and pitched an invasion angle, Tommy agreed because ecw was hemorrhaging money and guys hadn’t been paid, Paul rejected it saying that Vince would go crazy, later Dreamer realized that it was because the wwe was paying them, and apparently Heyman kept the money.

An ecw truck was also on Tommy Dreamer’s name so he lost a lot of money because of the bankruptcy stuff.

Also Prichard claimed that Heyman would bury his own ecw guys during creative meetings.

That's that bullshit right there. He's a true shitbag.

[OVO 40 hunched over like he 80]

Sept 4, 2018 22:29:00 GMT -5 "Magic" Mark Hurr said:

Sept 4, 2018 22:25:09 GMT -5 OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 said:

Not on that level, people gave him a pass because he was a good wrestling mind and thought he was only bad with money.

Tommy uncovered some deep shit. For example, wcw was desperate so Bischoff called and pitched an invasion angle, Tommy agreed because ecw was hemorrhaging money and guys hadn’t been paid, Paul rejected it saying that Vince would go crazy, later Dreamer realized that it was because the wwe was paying them, and apparently Heyman kept the money.

An ecw truck was also on Tommy Dreamer’s name so he lost a lot of money because of the bankruptcy stuff.

Also Prichard claimed that Heyman would bury his own ecw guys during creative meetings.

That's that bullshit right there. He's a true shitbag.

Paul Heyman only cares about himself. He’s a liar and a thief.

Tommy was also offered a wcw deal that according to him it would’ve been the most money he would’ve made in his career, but Heyman cried to him and begged Dreamer to stay because ecw was close to making it...instead ecw never made it and Tommy got a ton of bounced checks.

[Captain Stud Muffin (BLM)]

Sept 4, 2018 22:41:19 GMT -5 OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 said:

Sept 4, 2018 22:29:00 GMT -5 "Magic" Mark Hurr said:

That's that bullshit right there. He's a true shitbag.

Paul Heyman only cares about himself. He’s a liar and a thief.

Tommy was also offered a wcw deal that according to him it would’ve been the most money he would’ve made in his career, but Heyman cried to him and begged Dreamer to stay because ecw was close to making it...instead ecw never made it and Tommy got a ton of bounced checks.

Dreamer is also an idiot tho and sometimes likes to gloss over he drank the kool aid more than a lot of people

[OVO 40 hunched over like he 80]

Sept 4, 2018 22:44:13 GMT -5 Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) said:

Sept 4, 2018 22:41:19 GMT -5 OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 said:

Paul Heyman only cares about himself. He’s a liar and a thief.

Tommy was also offered a wcw deal that according to him it would’ve been the most money he would’ve made in his career, but Heyman cried to him and begged Dreamer to stay because ecw was close to making it...instead ecw never made it and Tommy got a ton of bounced checks.

Dreamer is also an idiot tho and sometimes likes to gloss over he drank the kool aid more than a lot of people

Dreamer admitted that it was stupid to do so and that over time he had nowhere else to go.

[Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!!]

another thing they have in common: Ian Rotten makes them both look like saints lol.

[Magnus the Magnificent]

Sept 5, 2018 5:11:04 GMT -5 Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! said:

another thing they have in common: Ian Rotten makes them both look like saints lol.

Ian "At the funeral, who he was not invited for, beg the friends and parents of the deceased for gas money" Rotten?

[Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!!]

Sept 6, 2018 4:55:37 GMT -5 Magnus the Magnificent said:

Sept 5, 2018 5:11:04 GMT -5 Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! said:

another thing they have in common: Ian Rotten makes them both look like saints lol.

Ian "At the funeral, who he was not invited for, beg the friends and parents of the deceased for gas money" Rotten?

yes. Ian "I didn't abuse Mickie Knuckles, I just punched her in the face" Rotten.