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Post by A Platypus Rave on Sept 15, 2018 22:56:13 GMT -5
They'd have to end Red Son before the last five minutes. {Spoiler}What you think there's something stupid about Superman being Lex's descendant sent back in time to stop the Earth from exploding?!
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Sept 15, 2018 23:04:53 GMT -5
Yeah; and even premise wise it might could have worked, it just felt really tacked on.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Sept 15, 2018 23:13:25 GMT -5
Yeah; and even premise wise it might could have worked, it just felt really tacked on. Yeah that's one of the parts that felt the most on how I view 90% of Millar's recent work. Vaguely interesting concept terrible execution.
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Post by Savage Gambino on Sept 15, 2018 23:34:20 GMT -5
comicbook.com/dc/amp/2018/09/14/who-will-be-the-new-superman-vegas-odds-released/Michael B. Jordan. Who I don't see getting it at all. I've loved every performance MBJ has done. I think he's pretty much untouchable. But none of them make me think he'd be a good Supes. I think it was a total PR move. Rest of the listed names are pretty silly too. Though I do laugh at the thought of Baby Goose doing it and being moody throughout. Half of those are meme choices. I mean, Idris Elba? Really? Marky Mark? And isn't the Rock already slated to play Black Adam? The only ones there I'd even entertain are Benjamin Walker, Armie Hammer, and maybe Henry Golding. Though, if we're being honest, if they lose Cavill, they'll probably shuffle on without a Man of Steel, at least for the time being.
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Post by Savage Gambino on Sept 15, 2018 23:39:39 GMT -5
The opposite is true. Suoerman needs to be gee golly. People seem to be sick and tired of the dark gritty shit, And here's the thing... The Superman STORY can be dark and gritty... But SUPERMAN is the symbol of hope and the light in the darkness, so even if everything is going to shit he remains firm in his convictions despite that. Mind you, two of the most well received superhero movies of the current age, Captain America: the Winter Soldier and Wonder Woman (the latter of which might as well be the cornerstone of the DCEU at this point) use that exact formula. Hell, I remember when it first came out, how many people said Winter Soldier understood Superman better than Man of Steel did. It's like a reverse anti-hero effect: when the rest of the world is white bread and "golly gee", a little edginess and willing to break the rules goes a long way. Similarly, when the landscape is all shades of grey, the stalwart is going to stand out.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2018 23:42:12 GMT -5
And here's the thing... The Superman STORY can be dark and gritty... But SUPERMAN is the symbol of hope and the light in the darkness, so even if everything is going to shit he remains firm in his convictions despite that. Mind you, two of the most well received superhero movies of the current age, Captain America: the Winter Soldier and Wonder Woman (the latter of which might as well be the cornerstone of the DCEU at this point) use that exact formula. Hell, I remember when it first came out, how many people said Winter Soldier understood Superman better than Man of Steel did. It's like a reverse anti-hero effect: when the rest of the world is white bread and "golly gee", a little edginess and willing to break the rules goes a long way. Similarly, when the landscape is all shades of grey, the stalwart is going to stand out. I really wish I liked Winter Soldier a lot more than I actually do. It's apparently doing something right because a lot of people absolutely love it but man I just found it incredibly boring.
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Post by Fade is a CodyCryBaby on Sept 16, 2018 1:24:00 GMT -5
comicbook.com/dc/amp/2018/09/14/who-will-be-the-new-superman-vegas-odds-released/Michael B. Jordan. Who I don't see getting it at all. I've loved every performance MBJ has done. I think he's pretty much untouchable. But none of them make me think he'd be a good Supes. I think it was a total PR move. Rest of the listed names are pretty silly too. Though I do laugh at the thought of Baby Goose doing it and being moody throughout. Half of those are meme choices. I mean, Idris Elba? Really? Marky Mark? And isn't the Rock already slated to play Black Adam? The only ones there I'd even entertain are Benjamin Walker, Armie Hammer, and maybe Henry Golding. Though, if we're being honest, if they lose Cavill, they'll probably shuffle on without a Man of Steel, at least for the time being. And I'm convinced Armie Hammer has some gypsy voodoo box office curse on him.
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Post by Hit Girl on Sept 16, 2018 9:25:26 GMT -5
Half of those are meme choices. I mean, Idris Elba? Really? Marky Mark? And isn't the Rock already slated to play Black Adam? The only ones there I'd even entertain are Benjamin Walker, Armie Hammer, and maybe Henry Golding. Though, if we're being honest, if they lose Cavill, they'll probably shuffle on without a Man of Steel, at least for the time being. And I'm convinced Armie Hammer has some gypsy voodoo box office curse on him. He's fine in dramatic roles. Needs to stay away from big budget movies.
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Post by Citizen Snips Has Left on Sept 16, 2018 9:27:24 GMT -5
And I'm convinced Armie Hammer has some gypsy voodoo box office curse on him. He's fine in dramatic roles. Needs to stay away from big budget movies. He was AMAZING in Sorry To Bother You
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Post by Tenshigure on Sept 16, 2018 9:33:05 GMT -5
Mind you, two of the most well received superhero movies of the current age, Captain America: the Winter Soldier and Wonder Woman (the latter of which might as well be the cornerstone of the DCEU at this point) use that exact formula. Hell, I remember when it first came out, how many people said Winter Soldier understood Superman better than Man of Steel did. It's like a reverse anti-hero effect: when the rest of the world is white bread and "golly gee", a little edginess and willing to break the rules goes a long way. Similarly, when the landscape is all shades of grey, the stalwart is going to stand out. I really wish I liked Winter Soldier a lot more than I actually do. It's apparently doing something right because a lot of people absolutely love it but man I just found it incredibly boring. Honestly, most people I've found that dislike Winter Soldier is because they still are kinda bored of Steve Rogers. This is compounded with the fact that the movie is structured extremely different from the rest of all superhero movies being built like a political thriller rather than a fantastical story overcoming a mythical threat. Personally I feel it's one of my favorites simply because it does all of its themes correctly, as well as is a catalyst for so many changes that took place in the MCU. {Spoiler}- Had it not been the downfall of SHIELD in this movie, Stark wouldn't have developed Ultron.
- Had Stark not developed Ultron, the Sarkovia Accords wouldn't have ever been drafted and put into enactment, causing the initial rift within the Avengers to begin with (nor would T'Challa become king so soon due to his father's untimely demise).
- By discovering Winter Soldier was Bucky, Steve Rogers protected him with everything he could, even his own Avenger teammates. Stark would have still been emotional to discover the truth reason behind his parent's deaths, but Steve wouldn't have been able to hide the fact from Stark and cause the massive rift that 'ended' the Avengers. I mean, when you go back and watch all of them there's really not an absolutely terrible MCU movie...aside from Thor: Dark World. Sure, there are PLENTY of plotholes and dumb decisions lore-wise made throughout, but I've found that just about every single one has their own 'theme' that makes it enjoyable.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Sept 16, 2018 9:55:34 GMT -5
They'd have to end Red Son before the last five minutes. That comic was just so fascinating and interesting throughout. Then that climax happened and I was just "Uuuugghhhh....." Superman's WB cartoon is really underrated when compared to Batman TAS, because it was a perfect example of how to write a modern Superman well. Clark on that show was optimistic and hopeful, but he wasn't portrayed as so goody-goody to where he looked like a dork, or too overpowered to be interesting. Villains like Metallo and Parasite constantly had him near death, and he'd often have to outwit foes as opposed to just outmuscling them. And he was kind-hearted without seeming corny. Just plant that Superman into the DCEU and he'll do well.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Sept 16, 2018 9:56:47 GMT -5
And here's the thing... The Superman STORY can be dark and gritty... But SUPERMAN is the symbol of hope and the light in the darkness, so even if everything is going to shit he remains firm in his convictions despite that. Mind you, two of the most well received superhero movies of the current age, Captain America: the Winter Soldier and Wonder Woman (the latter of which might as well be the cornerstone of the DCEU at this point) use that exact formula. Hell, I remember when it first came out, how many people said Winter Soldier understood Superman better than Man of Steel did. It's like a reverse anti-hero effect: when the rest of the world is white bread and "golly gee", a little edginess and willing to break the rules goes a long way. Similarly, when the landscape is all shades of grey, the stalwart is going to stand out. Winter Soldier is a masterpiece. That's another great example of how to make a boy scout-style hero captivating.
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Sept 16, 2018 13:03:28 GMT -5
They'd have to end Red Son before the last five minutes. That comic was just so fascinating and interesting throughout. Then that climax happened and I was just "Uuuugghhhh....." Superman's WB cartoon is really underrated when compared to Batman TAS, because it was a perfect example of how to write a modern Superman well. Clark on that show was optimistic and hopeful, but he wasn't portrayed as so goody-goody to where he looked like a dork, or too overpowered to be interesting. Villains like Metallo and Parasite constantly had him near death, and he'd often have to outwit foes as opposed to just outmuscling them. And he was kind-hearted without seeming corny. Just plant that Superman into the DCEU and he'll do well. That series is my favorite incarnation of Superman. They made Clark the character so that he was just as entertaining out of the suit as in it. I also appreciated how much they tied his job as an investigative reporter into the plot. But yeah, I'm in 100% agreement. That series should be the template for any Superman films going forward. Justice League featured a very close version of that Superman, and people loved him.
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Post by HMARK Center on Sept 17, 2018 14:31:20 GMT -5
Great call on animated 90s-00s Superman; frankly, I went into this whole DCEU thing hoping that's what they were essentially going to put on screen, a storytelling style that wasn't afraid to go to some complex and dark places but that maintained a heart and core where the heroes truly felt heroic, and the villains were in "love to hate" territory.
To hop on the Winter Soldier conversation, I think that one kind of bugs me only because I really liked the first two third or so of it and wanted the rest of the film to feel like it. Once the big Hydra flying fortresses or whatever took off, I completely checked out. Oddly enough I feel the opposite way about Civil War: I thought that film was "eh" overall (with some major weaknesses in it, too), but at least the ending felt like something different and interesting.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2018 15:11:19 GMT -5
Great call on animated 90s-00s Superman; frankly, I went into this whole DCEU thing hoping that's what they were essentially going to put on screen, a storytelling style that wasn't afraid to go to some complex and dark places but that maintained a heart and core where the heroes truly felt heroic, and the villains were in "love to hate" territory. To hop on the Winter Soldier conversation, I think that one kind of bugs me only because I really liked the first two third or so of it and wanted the rest of the film to feel like it. Once the big Hydra flying fortresses or whatever took off, I completely checked out. Oddly enough I feel the opposite way about Civil War: I thought that film was "eh" overall (with some major weaknesses in it, too), but at least the ending felt like something different and interesting. I don't really know how I feel about Civil War myself. I enjoyed it in the theater, but I kind of look at it the same way I do Iron Man 3 of, "That was fun. Feel like I'd hate it if I saw it again," and only thing I really look back on fondly is Zemo.
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Post by Cela on Sept 17, 2018 16:16:42 GMT -5
comicbook.com/dc/amp/2018/09/14/who-will-be-the-new-superman-vegas-odds-released/Michael B. Jordan. Who I don't see getting it at all. I've loved every performance MBJ has done. I think he's pretty much untouchable. But none of them make me think he'd be a good Supes. I think it was a total PR move. Rest of the listed names are pretty silly too. Though I do laugh at the thought of Baby Goose doing it and being moody throughout. I honestly don't get the appeal of MBJ. All of his performances are him sitting there with a blank eyed/open mouth look: and then getting intense/yelling during physical scenes. I will admit the guy is attractive, but he has the acting ability of a guy you get along with and like to invite to things.
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Post by Fade is a CodyCryBaby on Sept 17, 2018 16:28:08 GMT -5
comicbook.com/dc/amp/2018/09/14/who-will-be-the-new-superman-vegas-odds-released/Michael B. Jordan. Who I don't see getting it at all. I've loved every performance MBJ has done. I think he's pretty much untouchable. But none of them make me think he'd be a good Supes. I think it was a total PR move. Rest of the listed names are pretty silly too. Though I do laugh at the thought of Baby Goose doing it and being moody throughout. I honestly don't get the appeal of MBJ. All of his performances are him sitting there with a blank eyed/open mouth look: and then getting intense/yelling during physical scenes. I will admit the guy is attractive, but he has the acting ability of a guy you get along with and like to invite to things. I absolutely disagree. He's charismatic and funny in F4 & Chronicle and shows off great character work in Fruitvale Station, Creed, and BP. But for all the talk his intensity or leading-action-man prowess gets, it's the vulnerability he shows that wins me over. Not a lot of those "types" can do that convincingly. Actings my thing, so maybe it's inside-baseball shit, but I also concede people just find some actors boring. "Hanging around with his mouth open" has literally been used to describe Baby-Goose, and he's another actor who I feel takes the "Less-is-more" approach which I love.
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Post by Cela on Sept 17, 2018 17:13:03 GMT -5
I honestly don't get the appeal of MBJ. All of his performances are him sitting there with a blank eyed/open mouth look: and then getting intense/yelling during physical scenes. I will admit the guy is attractive, but he has the acting ability of a guy you get along with and like to invite to things. I absolutely disagree. He's charismatic and funny in F4 & Chronicle and shows off great character work in Fruitvale Station, Creed, and BP. But for all the talk his intensity or leading-action-man prowess gets, it's the vulnerability he shows that wins me over. Not a lot of those "types" can do that convincingly. Actings my thing, so maybe it's inside-baseball shit, but I also concede people just find some actors boring. "Hanging around with his mouth open" has literally been used to describe Baby-Goose, and he's another actor who I feel takes the "Less-is-more" approach which I love. Makes sense, I also really dislike Dramatic Gosling, he's fine in comedies though, but his staring does nothing for me. But thanks for the input.
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Post by The Thread Barbi on Sept 18, 2018 9:27:23 GMT -5
Please can we Dean Cain? Pretty please? With sugar on top.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Sept 18, 2018 9:33:26 GMT -5
Dean's too old now unless we're doin Kingdom Come---which I'd be down for.
He'd have to hit the gym pretty hard though. Gotten a lil doughy with age...as we all do.
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