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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Oct 31, 2020 18:17:26 GMT -5
EDIT: The real f***ed up thing is Disney does this so incredibly well with the MCU. They basically tell the director and writer “We want you to do X movie, and it has to include this, this and this but beyond that we want it to be your take” The thing with the MCU is Disney don't have anything to do with it beyond cutting cheques. Kevin Feige has almost complete freedom to do whatever he wants, because why wouldn't he? In ten years the man took a small selection of B-list comic book characters and dozens more that only comic book readers knew or cared about and turned them into the highest grossing movie franchise in history while also maintaining a consistent level of quality. They've offered the same kind of freedom to LucasFilm, but since George Lucas didn't come as part of the deal when Disney bought the franchise they don't have anybody with his or Feige's talent for shaping a universe. Kathleen Kennedy is a damn good producer and businessperson, but she's not a creative overseer. Dave Filoni could be the guy for the job, and probably will eventually, but right now everything is kinda fractured and lacking a cohesive direction.
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Post by Citizen Snips on Nov 1, 2020 20:23:01 GMT -5
Man, I didn't know that was W. Earl Brown as the bartender until reading recaps. There should've been a huge hoss fight in the street where he ripped out one of the Gamorrean's eyes.
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Post by DZ: WF Legacy on Nov 1, 2020 23:51:43 GMT -5
Damn, that was good. The fake-out, the surprise reveal, the new character, the battle itself...they nailed this episode.
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Post by Ryback on a Pole! on Nov 2, 2020 0:18:25 GMT -5
This show handles its one off characters really well. Like, at the end of the ep I always think Id like to see more of them.
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Post by Push R Truth on Nov 2, 2020 8:02:09 GMT -5
This show handles its one off characters really well. Like, at the end of the ep I always think Id like to see more of them. Yes. I love it because it leaves familiar faces that actually matter whenever he returns someplace. Like the landing site lady on Tattooine. She's had like 5 minutes of screen time and already feels like she's got more character than every new character in the Sequel Trilogy outside of Kylo, Rey and maybe Finn.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2020 12:15:55 GMT -5
Amazing how they can get Mandalorian so right, but the new movies so wrongn The benefits of a singular vision. Favreau knows exactly what he wants to do, and LucasFilm are smart enough to give him the freedom to do it. This. When you have too many cooks in the kitchen, it spoils the broth. If you just let one person be responsible for his vision and you have enough faith in him to get it right, it can be wonderful if that person knows exactly what he is doing.
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Post by Zaq "That Guy" Buzzkill on Nov 2, 2020 12:45:07 GMT -5
The benefits of a singular vision. Favreau knows exactly what he wants to do, and LucasFilm are smart enough to give him the freedom to do it. This. When you have too many cooks in the kitchen, it spoils the broth. If you just let one person be responsible for his vision and you have enough faith in him to get it right, it can be wonderful if that person knows exactly what he is doing. Funny how the issues with the sequels is the exact opposite of the prequal issues. The prequals are what happens when you let one person with a vision run the show with zero input from anyone else and the product suffers because of it.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2020 13:52:02 GMT -5
This. When you have too many cooks in the kitchen, it spoils the broth. If you just let one person be responsible for his vision and you have enough faith in him to get it right, it can be wonderful if that person knows exactly what he is doing. Funny how the issues with the sequels is the exact opposite of the prequal issues. The prequals are what happens when you let one person with a vision run the show with zero input from anyone else and the product suffers because of it. George Lucas was a guy who thought he knew what he was doing, but was utterly clueless and out of his league. And because nobody stepped in to ask what was going on, we got Midichlorians, over an hour of romance in one movie, unrelatable comedic sidekicks, and awkwardly directed angst. The sequels were the combination of a board of executives wanting to make a franchise as homogenized as possible, two movie directors with opposing ideas for the franchise, and every step of the process being scrutinized with what felt like a 13 step approval sheet. And because of that, we got the "Star Trek XII: So Very Tired" versions of Han, Luke, and Leia, Finn and Poe being pushed further and further away from the main story of the series, Rey literally becoming the most important person in the galaxy because... reasons, and Porgs. I just appreciate good content when it's here.
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Post by YAKMAN is ICHIBAN on Nov 2, 2020 21:06:28 GMT -5
The little nods and winks to Knights of the Old Republic warmed my soul. I was mildly annoyed that the Krayt Dragon didn’t remotely resemble the one in KOTOR, but the new design was pretty sweet. The only thing I really didn’t like is the “Thank the Force!” line. Jedi are little known mysterious figures out of legend, but the Force is widely enough known to have someone say that? Any Sedaris is wonderful but her character is overall a bit immersion breaking for me because I just hear Princess Caroline.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Nov 2, 2020 21:21:47 GMT -5
The only thing I really didn’t like is the “Thank the Force!” line. Jedi are little known mysterious figures out of legend, but the Force is widely enough known to have someone say that? I thought the line was okay, but the inconsistency really irks me. At this point the only way I can rationalise it is Mando's tribe were so cut off from the rest of the galaxy they didn't know shit about anything besides the Way and Armorer probably knows more than she let on. Kuill was an Imperial slave for most of his life, so that would explain his ignorance. No idea how Karga and Cara are so clueless, though. I'd laugh if literally everybody but Mando, Karga, and Cara knew about the Jedi, but because Mando doesn't ask directly about them he doesn't find out until - presumably - he meets up with Bo-Katan and Ahsoka.
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Post by Ryback on a Pole! on Nov 2, 2020 22:50:40 GMT -5
The jedi being a myth is one of the biggest cock ups in Star Wars.
In prequels, they were hardly inconspicuous. Even Anakin on crappy Tatooine knew them. Even Rosie the Robot on the Trade Federation ship knew them. The RotS novel mentions kids across the galaxy used to play as Obi-Wan and Anakin etc.
Yet 20 years later theyre a myth.
Prequels should have had them as a shadowy group. Like a super secret CIA who few know about
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Nov 2, 2020 23:19:28 GMT -5
The jedi being a myth is one of the biggest cock ups in Star Wars. In prequels, they were hardly inconspicuous. Even Anakin on crappy Tatooine knew them. Even Rosie the Robot on the Trade Federation ship knew them. The RotS novel mentions kids across the galaxy used to play as Obi-Wan and Anakin etc. Yet 20 years later theyre a myth. Prequels should have had them as a shadowy group. Like a super secret CIA who few know about The newsreel-style recaps at the start of every episode of Clone Wars were are one point supposed to be a mix of recaps for the benefit of the viewer and in-universe news broadcasts, which would make the more prominent Jedi household names. I don't know if that has since been retconned out, but as I mentioned earlier in the thread, if they wanted to present the Jedi as mythical they needed at least a couple of hundred years to allow them to fade into legend, and even then it would probably be a stretch. Even stuff in the real world hasn't fallen into the realm of myth and legend easily, despite paper and ink being the most advanced form of data storage until just a few decades ago, so an intergalactic society of thousnds of planets with holographic records going back thousands of years is unlikely to forget the "guardians of peace and justice in the Old Republic for a thousand generations" so easily.
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Post by Zaq "That Guy" Buzzkill on Nov 3, 2020 12:02:50 GMT -5
Weird thing is that even in A New Hope they were considered a myth of sorts. the Imperial Officers obviously considered Vaders 'sorcerous ways' to be a joke. Luke had to have the entire concept of the Force, Jedi, and Lightsabres explained to him by Obi-Wan, and Han was essentially the Star Wars equivalent of an Atheist. it's a bizzare and inconsistent thing that's been happening for decades.
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Post by Kalmia on Nov 3, 2020 14:59:27 GMT -5
The jedi being a myth is one of the biggest cock ups in Star Wars. In prequels, they were hardly inconspicuous. Even Anakin on crappy Tatooine knew them. Even Rosie the Robot on the Trade Federation ship knew them. The RotS novel mentions kids across the galaxy used to play as Obi-Wan and Anakin etc. Yet 20 years later theyre a myth. Prequels should have had them as a shadowy group. Like a super secret CIA who few know about If you think of how condescended all of the action is in the Skywalker Saga movies, it really makes no sense. The Jedi went from being peacekeepers of the galaxy in Ep1-3 to myths in Ep4. There would still be plenty of people alive that had personal experiences with Jedi in Ep4. And the Empire managed to rise, spread across most of the galaxy (being The Senate helped, undoubtedly), and be destroyed in about 20 years too. The First Order didn't even reach that. All of this in a galaxy where the Old Republic lasted for millennia. TLDR: bloody Skywalkers
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Post by Push R Truth on Nov 3, 2020 15:13:10 GMT -5
I think about anybody that has a social life on Tattoine would have at least heard about the Force/Jedi. They are only a couple years removed from a freakin' Jedi walking into the de facto leader of the planet's palace and publicly declaring himself. Let alone a short while later when he was flipping around with crazy lightsaber action.
Hell, the timeline is only a couple more years removed from Kenobi's very public arm chopping action.
Plus even commoners on the street like Anakin and Watto knew about Jedi. That was only what, 35 years-ish earlier?
Plus, anybody with any connection to the Rebellion at all could have easily said "Thank the Force/May the force be with you". Let alone that Luke Skywalker, the Jedi that took down Vader/Emperor was literally a galactic legend that happened just a couple years previous.
I could go on for like 7 more pages but I gotta go potty.
May the Force be with you.
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Post by Zone Was Wrong on Nov 3, 2020 15:51:47 GMT -5
I think about anybody that has a social life on Tattoine would have at least heard about the Force/Jedi. They are only a couple years removed from a freakin' Jedi walking into the de facto leader of the planet's palace and publicly declaring himself. Let alone a short while later when he was flipping around with crazy lightsaber action. Hell, the timeline is only a couple more years removed from Kenobi's very public arm chopping action. Plus even commoners on the street like Anakin and Watto knew about Jedi. That was only what, 35 years-ish earlier? Plus, anybody with any connection to the Rebellion at all could have easily said "Thank the Force/May the force be with you". Let alone that Luke Skywalker, the Jedi that took down Vader/Emperor was literally a galactic legend that happened just a couple years previous. I could go on for like 7 more pages but I gotta go potty. May the Force be with you. Eh, again Tatoonie is in the space boonies. It's on the outer rim and is pretty outside any sort of civilization. Most people there are pretty removed from society and probably have heard of Jedi but think their powers are parlor tricks or legends. Han's a good example of that, talking about it like it's some hookey religion. Someone like Jabba and his cronies have had direct dealings with Jedi in the past, so it makes sense they'd know. I just don't put it past these backwater planets where people are just trying to survive either never hearing about Jedi, or just thinking they're some kind of myth. That plus the Empire's efforts to wipe them from history makes it believable to me.
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Post by Fade on Nov 6, 2020 6:34:20 GMT -5
That was certainly an episode. I dug the opening but I quickly started wondering who directed this. {Spoiler}the Amy sedaris scene felt weird and hammy. But once they got stranded, the suspense built and built. For a while I wondered if it was going to be Frog Ladys babies that turned into beasts or she would turn on them for the child eating so many but nope lol..space spiders. Really creepy. All that with the spiders was well done. Surprised but kind of not surprised by the end seeing it was Peyton Reed. Loved the suspense stuff, but that sedaris scene felt like a bad video game cutaway scene. Also, im curious how the new republic continues to be portrayed. .
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Post by BlackoutCreature on Nov 6, 2020 9:13:10 GMT -5
So finished the new episode. It was ok. Definite step down from the season premier. Frog Lady was nowhere near as entertaining or interesting as Cobb Vanth and it didn't do anything to advance the story-arc. A theory though - {Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}Amy Sedaris' character came off really shifty in this episode. Anybody else think she might turn out to be a Keyser Soze-type villain secretly behind everything happening in the series?
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Post by Zaq "That Guy" Buzzkill on Nov 6, 2020 11:45:09 GMT -5
Good episode, not great. More and more of Princess Caroline is showing with Amy Sedaris's character and I like it.
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Post by Kalmia on Nov 6, 2020 11:50:52 GMT -5
{Spoiler}{SPOILER: CLICK TO SHOW}Screw those spiders. The scene where they were swarming the Razorcrest and piling up against the cockpit door will be in my nightmares tonight.
It was a bit of a nothing episode, but it had some cute scenes with Baby Yoda and I'm easily pleased. My heart grew five sizes when he ran to Mando after he was held at knifepoint at the start.
Good to see Filoni in an X-Wing again!
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