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Post by adamclark52 on Dec 19, 2020 13:54:10 GMT -5
I get the sequel dislike and all that but I don't want them de-canonized just because this show is better. hell if the f***ing prequals survived being canon then the sequels can to. I think they have to leave them and go other routes now anyway because Carrie Fisher passed away. Unless they recast the OT characters. But I don’t think Rey or any of them will ever be mentioned again. Maybe Kylo Ren because they could still run with that. Even still in 30 years when there are still Star Wars shows running I can’t ever see there being a big reveal like this one but with Ben Solo
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Post by adamclark52 on Dec 19, 2020 13:55:10 GMT -5
I get the sequel dislike and all that but I don't want them de-canonized just because this show is better. hell if the f***ing prequals survived being canon then the sequels can to. That’s my stance on it to be honest. If both Clone Wars, Rebels etc can come from the prequels, I’m honestly sure someone can get stuff from these new movies, especially since the sequel trilogy is honestly way more isolated from the rest of the universe in some ways than the prequels were. Except that part at the end where the entire universe came to the rescue
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Post by chrom on Dec 19, 2020 13:56:47 GMT -5
So this season has now rescued Boba Fett and Luke after the damage done to them in other movies. Odds on them turning Jar Jar into a compelling character at some point? They're human beings, not genies
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Dec 19, 2020 14:20:22 GMT -5
That’s my stance on it to be honest. If both Clone Wars, Rebels etc can come from the prequels, I’m honestly sure someone can get stuff from these new movies, especially since the sequel trilogy is honestly way more isolated from the rest of the universe in some ways than the prequels were. Except that part at the end where the entire universe came to the rescue Which is, like, barely anything.
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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on Dec 19, 2020 15:49:50 GMT -5
{Spoiler}{SPOILER: CLICK TO SHOW}So, Grogu going with Luke is really neat and all but, we all know the story of Luke's time as a Jedi Grandmaster ends. With the destruction of his temple. I've seen a lot of people wonder if that's where Grogu's story ends. My answer: not likely.
Thing is, Luke doesn't have that temple yet. I'd imagine it's probably a little while until he gets that temple. Meaning Grogu might, at this point, be his only padawan. Because Ben Solo is about 4 here(considering he was born almost 9 months after Endor) It could be that Luke has success with Grogu and that's what inspires him to create an entire academy of his own. I just find it hard to believe that, after all this buildup, Grogu just has a fiery ending at the hands of the future Kylo Ren.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Dec 19, 2020 16:02:20 GMT -5
{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{SPOILER: CLICK TO SHOW}So, Grogu going with Luke is really neat and all but, we all know the story of Luke's time as a Jedi Grandmaster ends. With the destruction of his temple. I've seen a lot of people wonder if that's where Grogu's story ends. My answer: not likely.
Thing is, Luke doesn't have that temple yet. I'd imagine it's probably a little while until he gets that temple. Meaning Grogu might, at this point, be his only padawan. Because Ben Solo is about 4 here(considering he was born almost 9 months after Endor) It could be that Luke has success with Grogu and that's what inspires him to create an entire academy of his own. I just find it hard to believe that, after all this buildup, Grogu just has a fiery ending at the hands of the future Kylo Ren. {Spoiler} I can’t either. I’m pretty sure we’re going to see him again since there’s way too much investment for it to end like that and for another reason...well, $$$$.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Dec 19, 2020 16:30:16 GMT -5
Grogu is going to end up back with Mando well before Ben becomes Kylo Ren.
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Post by adamclark52 on Dec 19, 2020 17:24:43 GMT -5
I’m still feeling it almost 36 hours later
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Post by "Trickster Dogg" James Jesse on Dec 19, 2020 18:11:36 GMT -5
{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{SPOILER: CLICK TO SHOW}So, Grogu going with Luke is really neat and all but, we all know the story of Luke's time as a Jedi Grandmaster ends. With the destruction of his temple. I've seen a lot of people wonder if that's where Grogu's story ends. My answer: not likely.
Thing is, Luke doesn't have that temple yet. I'd imagine it's probably a little while until he gets that temple. Meaning Grogu might, at this point, be his only padawan. Because Ben Solo is about 4 here(considering he was born almost 9 months after Endor) It could be that Luke has success with Grogu and that's what inspires him to create an entire academy of his own. I just find it hard to believe that, after all this buildup, Grogu just has a fiery ending at the hands of the future Kylo Ren. {Spoiler}{SPOILER: CLICK TO SHOW}The more I think about it, the more I appreciate the decisions that TFA and TLJ made, especially TLJ, when put in context with this episode.
Grogu is a character who audiences have watched over 16 episodes of TV. People have a personal connection with the character. So if he dies several years down the road at the hands of Kylo Ren, it's something that retroactively justifies Luke's exile.
In comparison, when I think back to Anakin's slaughter of the Jedi temple, as represented in Revenge of the Sith, I didn't have any connection to the characters who died because I never spent any meaningful time with them. A show like Rebels and a video game like Fallen Order help colour in the details of the purge of the Jedi more than what Revenge of the Sith did as a movie. (and maybe The Clone Wars deals with the fallout of Revenge of the Sith, I haven't seen that many episodes of it to comment properly)
In this episode of The Mandalorian, Luke's line, "I will give my life to protect the child," when considered in context with TFA and TLJ, reads as a tragic irony, if Grogu's fate is ultimately to die because of Kylo Ren. Indeed, Luke, taking a child away from its family, not unlike the previous Jedi of history who scuttled children away from their families, underscores his bitter rejection of the hubris of the Jedi that we see much later, chronologically, in TLJ. As of this show, he's literally making the same mistakes as his predecessors, but he can't see that.
Also, if Grogu is meant to die, then what The Mandalorian show has done (or will do) is pull "a certain point of view" on the audience. In the Season 1 finale, the Armorer says to Din Djarin that he must "reunite" the Child "with its own kind." But the Child's kind is already Djarin when they form the clan of two. Maybe she literally meant take Grogu back to the planet of Yoda people, but I doubt it; she was likely speaking more abstractly or poetically, not unlike Yoda or Obi-Wan Kenobi, but Djarin, not unlike Luke in a way, can't see the mistakes he's making when they're directly in front of him, even when he takes off his helmet.
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Post by Milkman Norm on Dec 19, 2020 18:50:19 GMT -5
I think the Luke we saw in Chapter 16 was the Luke that was in the early stages of the hubris that caused him so much regret in TLJ.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Dec 19, 2020 19:52:02 GMT -5
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Post by Heeltown, USA on Dec 19, 2020 20:05:24 GMT -5
I got a thought, that I think is spoiler free.
Grogu is 50 years old and still an infant. Some have begun to speculate what his canon future could be. All Im saying is in 20 or 30 years is he gonna be anything more than the equivalent of an 8 year old? And if this is the case, how independent could he really be?
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Post by chrom on Dec 19, 2020 20:50:32 GMT -5
Believe the Twi'lek slave at the end was Lyn Me of The Max Repo Band. Looked like her
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Post by Stu on Dec 19, 2020 20:52:27 GMT -5
So this season has now rescued Boba Fett and Luke after the damage done to them in other movies. Odds on them turning Jar Jar into a compelling character at some point? Check out some of the now-Legends stories. They basically explain Jar Jar is homeless and works as a street performer. The adults resent him because they know he played a role in Palpatine's rise to power. But children seem to like him and he lives with a burden of guilt because he knows what he did.
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Post by WoodStoner1 on Dec 19, 2020 21:00:11 GMT -5
{Spoiler}If what we think this means is true, this may be what Kylo Ren needed to get over as the new villain. 6 years too late. In effect, like the Roman heel turn
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Post by adamclark52 on Dec 19, 2020 21:07:47 GMT -5
So this season has now rescued Boba Fett and Luke after the damage done to them in other movies. Odds on them turning Jar Jar into a compelling character at some point? Check out some of the now-Legends stories. They basically explain Jar Jar is homeless and works as a street performer. The adults resent him because they know he played a role in Palpatine's rise to power. But children seem to like him and he lives with a burden of guilt because he knows what he did. sorry to play canon police but it’s even sadder because he doesn’t seem to know what he did: From the canon book ‘Aftermath’
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Post by YAKMAN is ICHIBAN on Dec 19, 2020 23:45:27 GMT -5
Can they just make this it's own separate continuity? Like, not worry about how jar jar abrams version is gonna fit into this. I’m 1000% down with that. Throw those flaming pieces of garbage in the dumpster with the Holiday Special where they belong. And rescue the original theatrical cuts from that dumpster, please.
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Post by YAKMAN is ICHIBAN on Dec 19, 2020 23:46:37 GMT -5
Check out some of the now-Legends stories. They basically explain Jar Jar is homeless and works as a street performer. The adults resent him because they know he played a role in Palpatine's rise to power. But children seem to like him and he lives with a burden of guilt because he knows what he did. sorry to play canon police but it’s even sadder because he doesn’t seem to know what he did: From the canon book ‘Aftermath’ Jesus Christ, and I thought the way they handled the OT characters was mean-spirited.
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Post by "Trickster Dogg" James Jesse on Dec 20, 2020 1:26:38 GMT -5
{Spoiler}{SPOILER: CLICK TO SHOW}It just hit me that having Kyle Katarn show up to take Grogu away, instead of Luke Skywalker, would have been for me what Luke Skywalker was to so many (especially who hated TLJ).
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Dec 20, 2020 1:41:36 GMT -5
I think the Luke we saw in Chapter 16 was the Luke that was in the early stages of the hubris that caused him so much regret in TLJ. {Spoiler}Consider the contrast between what Luke was taught... And what he did... As Beru and Owen were aware of, there's a lot of Anakin - and thus, Vader - in Luke; we see a flash of it when he pummels Vader and cuts his hand off, and again in the corridor, so of a sudden this Luke - a Luke who slowly crushes an opponent he has immobilised rather than quickly cutting it down - feels like he could momentarily consider killing his nephew in his sleep.
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