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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Oct 19, 2018 4:22:36 GMT -5
The Saudi government copped to killing an American resident with a bonesaw. The Saudi government is paying WWE directly to promote how great they are. Still wrapping my head around it. Also, Taker's involvement really makes this shirt look even worse as it seems he'll "Respect the flag," but not the lives of actual American residents: Undertaker respects money and himself. No one in his shoes can honestly respect America and participate in this farce. What is Vince going to if he won't go? Fire him? He's basically retired and works twice a year. Honestly, I just want one f***ing wrestler to do the right thing. I don't care if it's Mojo Rawley or John Cena. Just someone show me that wrestling isn't all scumbags. “I’m putting my foot down, Vince. I’m not going to Saudi Arabia.” “...Mojo, you weren’t even booked to go. In fact, your push is completely dead at this point. We’ve had you losing clean to Tyler Breeze and Zack Ryder on Main Event, for f***s sake.” “Oh.” (I understand the seriousness of the situation, but AS IF Rawley is going for this card)
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Post by Doctor No on Oct 19, 2018 4:57:53 GMT -5
The Saudi government copped to killing an American resident with a bonesaw. The Saudi government is paying WWE directly to promote how great they are. Still wrapping my head around it. Also, Taker's involvement really makes this shirt look even worse as it seems he'll "Respect the flag," but not the lives of actual American residents: What's funny about that is that in his prime Taker hated the Flag-lined coat, if Prichard is to be believed. But Taker likes money in any form it comes apparently, especially nowadays.
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Post by nisidhe on Oct 19, 2018 5:27:21 GMT -5
Undertaker respects money and himself. No one in his shoes can honestly respect America and participate in this farce. What is Vince going to if he won't go? Fire him? He's basically retired and works twice a year. Honestly, I just want one f***ing wrestler to do the right thing. I don't care if it's Mojo Rawley or John Cena. Just someone show me that wrestling isn't all scumbags. “I’m putting my foot down, Vince. I’m not going to Saudi Arabia.” “...Mojo, you weren’t even booked to go. In fact, your push is completely dead at this point. We’ve had you losing clean to Tyler Breeze and Zack Ryder on Main Event, for f***s sake.” “Oh.” (I understand the seriousness of the situation, but AS IF Rawley is going for this card) There's one who's made it very clear (short of saying outright, "f*** you, MBS!" where his conscience lies: And I suspect his recent social media and PR work can have an even more subversive effect on Crown Jewel than any outright criticism of any single act: WWE's purest male babyface subtly dropping the mic against the company's greed.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Oct 19, 2018 5:49:31 GMT -5
“I’m putting my foot down, Vince. I’m not going to Saudi Arabia.” “...Mojo, you weren’t even booked to go. In fact, your push is completely dead at this point. We’ve had you losing clean to Tyler Breeze and Zack Ryder on Main Event, for f***s sake.” “Oh.” (I understand the seriousness of the situation, but AS IF Rawley is going for this card) There's one who's made it very clear (short of saying outright, "f*** you, MBS!" where his conscience lies: And I suspect his recent social media and PR work can have an even more subversive effect on Crown Jewel than any outright criticism of any single act: WWE's purest male babyface subtly dropping the mic against the company's greed. I mean, some would say Balor’s already compromised because he’s taking WWE’s paychecks and he’s making these positive social statements off the back of WWE’s platform, but I’d have to wonder if it’s an “ends justifies the means” thing for him, trying to do what we can from within the system as opposed from outside of it. All I can think of right now is WrestleMania, where he had the entrance where he was backed up by his Balor Club made up of people from New Orleans’s LGBT community, wearing the rainbow on his attire. That message of support went around the world, likely including Saudi Arabia ironically enough (they wouldn’t have known he was going to do that) and a shot of it is now in the main WWE intro at the start of EVERY show.
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Post by Alice Syndrome on Oct 19, 2018 10:10:39 GMT -5
There's one who's made it very clear (short of saying outright, "f*** you, MBS!" where his conscience lies: And I suspect his recent social media and PR work can have an even more subversive effect on Crown Jewel than any outright criticism of any single act: WWE's purest male babyface subtly dropping the mic against the company's greed. I mean, some would say Balor’s already compromised because he’s taking WWE’s paychecks and he’s making these positive social statements off the back of WWE’s platform, but I’d have to wonder if it’s an “ends justifies the means” thing for him, trying to do what we can from within the system as opposed from outside of it. All I can think of right now is WrestleMania, where he had the entrance where he was backed up by his Balor Club made up of people from New Orleans’s LGBT community, wearing the rainbow on his attire. That message of support went around the world, likely including Saudi Arabia ironically enough (they wouldn’t have known he was going to do that) and a shot of it is now in the main WWE intro at the start of EVERY show. Honestly I think him changing back to the plain white Balor Club shirt for one night and then going right back to pride flag the next RAW was a point in of itself.
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Post by chrom on Oct 19, 2018 10:23:12 GMT -5
If WWE really wants to show they don't approve of what's going on, then donate all the money their getting from Saudi Arabia to charity organizations. Red Cross, Wounded Warriors Program, St. Jude, donate every penny of the billions their getting from this regime to organizations who need it far more.
Of course, Vince won't part with a single dime.
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Post by KofiMania on Oct 19, 2018 11:08:55 GMT -5
If WWE really wants to show they don't approve of what's going on, then donate all the money their getting from Saudi Arabia to charity organizations. Red Cross, Wounded Warriors Program, St. Jude, donate every penny of the billions their getting from this regime to organizations who need it far more. Of course, Vince won't part with a single dime. They’re a business beholden to stockholders. If the cost of pulling out of the show or the whole deal itself is greater than the cost they predict will occur from any PR blowback then they don’t pull the show. A business is about the bottom line.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2018 12:15:11 GMT -5
If WWE really wants to show they don't approve of what's going on, then donate all the money their getting from Saudi Arabia to charity organizations. Red Cross, Wounded Warriors Program, St. Jude, donate every penny of the billions their getting from this regime to organizations who need it far more. Of course, Vince won't part with a single dime. They aren't making billions. Also why the hell would they donate to charities that have NOTHING to do with what is going on over there right now?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2018 12:17:20 GMT -5
I'm old. I remember Artists United Against Apartheid back in '85. Compared to this situation with Saudi Arabia, protesting the loopholes the South African government exploited to get around trade sanctions over apartheid would have been a walk in the park. It's not only careers at stake, but possibly lives. Dollars to donuts, the venue will also be the talent's accommodations - they'll sleep there, eat there, whatever. Nobody will allowed to leave the venue and the backstage area will be tighter for security than Fort Knox - there should be no VIP Experiences offered with admission: no PR junkets, nothing outside the venue's public areas. There'll be no Internet access available to anyone at the event. This is all speculation, but the safety of the talent and crew must come first, and these would be the steps WWE needs to take in order to ensure that safety. If anything happens to anyone associated with WWE during or surrounding that event, I can only imagine the backlash against WWE. Vince will long for the days when he had the Harts suing him. Why would anything happen to the talent?
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Post by Hit Girl on Oct 19, 2018 13:28:22 GMT -5
WWE probably agonised and debated more over that Finn Balor LGBT shirt and how it might affect their brand and corporate image than they are currently doing about the show in Saudi Arabia.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Oct 19, 2018 13:29:07 GMT -5
The Saudi government copped to killing an American resident with a bonesaw. The Saudi government is paying WWE directly to promote how great they are. Still wrapping my head around it. Also, Taker's involvement really makes this shirt look even worse as it seems he'll "Respect the flag," but not the lives of actual American residents: Chaz. Chaz come on. Like I can't even brush up against the idea without violating the politics rule so hard WWE Current gets locked but. Come on, you know. You know.
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Post by Dub H on Oct 19, 2018 13:45:00 GMT -5
WWE probably agonised and debated more over that Finn Balor LGBT shirt and how it might affect their brand and corporate image than they are currently doing about the show in Saudi Arabia. because one comes with "...but we get 10 Million Dollars"
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Post by Perd on Oct 19, 2018 13:47:11 GMT -5
What people are having a hard time reconciling, is how closely this is all tied to the Saudi royal family. We’re all not babes and the woods. We know governments/corporations can get up to some shady shit. But not all of them are putting on a show, where they spew propaganda, as the crown prince adoringly looks on. Maybe that’s splitting hairs. If something is wrong then it’s wrong. But it feels like there’s an extra layer of grossness here.
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Post by hashtagdaley/JudasDay on Oct 19, 2018 13:47:29 GMT -5
I don’t like the idea of this show. I’m not going to watch the show. I haven’t had the Network in months and don’t plan on resubbing any time soon.
That said, in no way am I going to hold the performers doing their jobs or refusing to put their foot down and stay back against them. Make the bank while you can in the wild and usually messed up world of pro wrestling. CM Punk was on the money, Every single star is a replaceable spoke on the wheel. (I think I paraphrased that from his pipebomb) They’d be replaced faster than a blink of Vince’s insane eyes.
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Post by Friday Night SmackOwn on Oct 19, 2018 14:18:44 GMT -5
WWE Stock Watch - $82.19 (NYSE: WWE)
Earlier, it was up at about $84.90, but it just seems to go up and down randomly.
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Post by YAKMAN is ICHIBAN on Oct 19, 2018 14:27:55 GMT -5
I don’t like the idea of this show. I’m not going to watch the show. I haven’t had the Network in months and don’t plan on resubbing any time soon. That said, in no way am I going to hold the performers doing their jobs or refusing to put their foot down and stay back against them. Make the bank while you can in the wild and usually messed up world of pro wrestling. CM Punk was on the money, Every single star is a replaceable spoke on the wheel. (I think I paraphrased that from his pipebomb) They’d be replaced faster than a blink of Vince’s insane eyes. I have a hard time faulting people for doing their jobs even if their conscience might not be clear. I don't know what I'd do if I was ever put in the same position. Probably not have the courage of my convictions, if I'm entirely honest about it.
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Post by Hit Girl on Oct 19, 2018 14:30:43 GMT -5
WWE Stock Watch - $82.19 (NYSE: WWE) Earlier, it was up at about $84.90, but it just seems to go up and down randomly. Stocks and human rights aren't linked. If child labour was legalised in America tomorrow, the NYSE would go through the roof.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Oct 19, 2018 15:10:47 GMT -5
What people are having a hard time reconciling, is how closely this is all tied to the Saudi royal family. We’re all not babes and the woods. We know governments/corporations can get up to some shady shit. But not all of them are putting on a show, where they spew propaganda, as the crown prince adoringly looks on. Maybe that’s splitting hairs. If something is wrong then it’s wrong. But it feels like there’s an extra layer of grossness here. Yeah that's the crux of this issue; it's not just that WWE is doing business in the country or with its royal family paying them, it's that they are happily airing propaganda and accepting the role as unofficial spokesperson for this regime as they cover up their crimes and talk up how progressive they are. It's sickening and it's a whole step beyond just doing business in there. The deal UFC pulled out of is similar and even involved giving the Saudis a small stake in the company, so their pull away is similarly driven by an intention to not want to do direcct business with them and allow them to do their thing. It's a whole different world WWE is in right now and it's not as simple as just 'Here's companies that sell their products in this country'.
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Post by KofiMania on Oct 19, 2018 15:36:11 GMT -5
What people are having a hard time reconciling, is how closely this is all tied to the Saudi royal family. We’re all not babes and the woods. We know governments/corporations can get up to some shady shit. But not all of them are putting on a show, where they spew propaganda, as the crown prince adoringly looks on. Maybe that’s splitting hairs. If something is wrong then it’s wrong. But it feels like there’s an extra layer of grossness here. Yeah that's the crux of this issue; it's not just that WWE is doing business in the country or with its royal family paying them, it's that they are happily airing propaganda and accepting the role as unofficial spokesperson for this regime as they cover up their crimes and talk up how progressive they are. It's sickening and it's a whole step beyond just doing business in there. The deal UFC pulled out of is similar and even involved giving the Saudis a small stake in the company, so their pull away is similarly driven by an intention to not want to do direcct business with them and allow them to do their thing. It's a whole different world WWE is in right now and it's not as simple as just 'Here's companies that sell their products in this country'. To be fair, they haven’t aired any propaganda since this story broke and it remains to be seen if they will air any during Crown Jewel. I can see them avoiding that for this show, before seeing how the climate is come next April’s show.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Oct 19, 2018 15:44:03 GMT -5
Yeah that's the crux of this issue; it's not just that WWE is doing business in the country or with its royal family paying them, it's that they are happily airing propaganda and accepting the role as unofficial spokesperson for this regime as they cover up their crimes and talk up how progressive they are. It's sickening and it's a whole step beyond just doing business in there. The deal UFC pulled out of is similar and even involved giving the Saudis a small stake in the company, so their pull away is similarly driven by an intention to not want to do direcct business with them and allow them to do their thing. It's a whole different world WWE is in right now and it's not as simple as just 'Here's companies that sell their products in this country'. To be fair, they haven’t aired any propaganda since this story broke and it remains to be seen if they will air any during Crown Jewel. I can see them avoiding that for this show, before seeing how the climate is come next April’s show. A lot of somethings in that deal are being kept from shareholders and I imagine that content specification would be something to keep quiet about. And if the most generous you can be for them is "They probably won't air any explicit propaganda this time and wait to see if people are still up in arms about the murderous regime next time" then no that's still reprehensible and still why WWE needs to catch all the hell for this.
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