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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Nov 22, 2018 13:37:11 GMT -5
Was All In a once in a lifetime event or can it be done on a consistent basis that would work in the arenas that AEW wants to run? If they can get the caliber of talent that All In had, then there's absolutely no reason why not as far as I'm concerned. All In was certainly sold as a moment in time, but moment or no moment, it sold out instantly with basically no card info or advertising. The real question is can they put together compelling storylines and angles regularly and the only way to find that out is for the product to become a reality. The company is more of a reality now than it was yesterday, because of the AEW twitter account, Khan is making it known that he’s interested in running big and known arenas, the Bucks are now a big part of the opposition to Vince both behind the scenes and in the ring. They’re gonna have to recreate the success of All In. Ironically enough Matt and Nick considered quitting after the wwe turned them down around 2011. Matt and Nick were pretty much out of money, Matt tells a story about his credit card getting declined after he tried to buy a one dollar sandwich at an airport. They really needed to get signed by the wwe and they were rejected because of the stupid etiquette of shaking everyone’s hands.
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Post by Fade on Nov 22, 2018 14:51:38 GMT -5
Was All In a once in a lifetime event or can it be done on a consistent basis that would work in the arenas that AEW wants to run? That's what I'm wondering if this is an attempt at. A company that has maybe a core group of guys but freely brings in other Indy stars, promotes them, includes them in the booked storylines, but angles and wrestlers come and go in a fluid sense. So while not being exclusive could help in terms of promotion, being exclusive might be where the money is. I mean, I dunno if that's even legal but I see it as something a lot of the Elite guys would be in favor for. Being some sort of Indy/Mainstream showcase.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Nov 22, 2018 14:58:48 GMT -5
Sort of also wonder if guys working with MLW (Strickland, Lawlor, Callihan, etc.) would be outside of a prospective talent pool here.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2018 15:00:13 GMT -5
Sort of also wonder if guys working with MLW (Strickland, Lawlor, Callihan, etc.) would be outside of a prospective talent pool here. Sami works everywhere so I don't think he would be restricted Strickland is apparently NXT bound in January idk about lawlor
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Nov 22, 2018 15:20:26 GMT -5
I mean, I kind of don’t see how they could in some ways. LU in particular from what’s seen is the same as a regular TV contract so it’d be like if an actor did a movie in between TV tapings for a hit show or something like that. Remember the Hernandez stuff in TNA a few years back? He couldn't work TNA cause he was under contract to LU. From what I remember, that was because Hernandez never got clearence to work TNA at the time and TNA never checked if it was ok because of course they didn’t. Like someone said before, that probably changed around the time Ricochet left and he had to wait for yonks to do anything of note. Not a real coincidence that you suddenly saw LU talent work at MLW and Impact right afterwards I wouldn’t have thought.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2018 15:43:16 GMT -5
LU, MLW and Impact are basically the same promotion with choose your own adventure booking
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Post by Error on Nov 22, 2018 16:35:45 GMT -5
I'm betting they already have a TV deal with WGN lined up. They wanted wrestling for a long time, getting screwed by WWE, missing out on TNA, and the purchase by Sinclair falling through. With them airing Zero Hour and it doing great, seems a perfect fit.
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Post by y4j1981 on Nov 22, 2018 18:51:21 GMT -5
The problem is we've seen it all before at this point, wrestling is a graveyard of superindies, some with big money backers too. You can't blame people for questioning how wise this is given how hard it is for these projects to gain any sort of traction, successful feds like ROH were absolute moneypits, even with 'good management' and the less said about the WWA, XWF and TNA the better. Then there's wrestling's long history of conmen, people whose contributions seem to bee to drain money while giving crap advice to the backers, if not outright stealing from them... We want wrestling to do well, but the omens aren't good. I’m remembering the xwf now, how it was supposed to be the next thing but it folded like a year later. I think Jimmy Hart ran it. Funny that the Youtube series "Wresting With Wregret" just posted a vid about the XWF. Link only cause of some footage: youtu.be/3dlBv6vYl3w
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Nov 22, 2018 19:09:37 GMT -5
I’m remembering the xwf now, how it was supposed to be the next thing but it folded like a year later. I think Jimmy Hart ran it. Funny that the Youtube series "Wresting With Wregret" just posted a vid about the XWF. Link only cause of some footage: youtu.be/3dlBv6vYl3wI need the AEW to turn into this
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Post by corndog on Nov 22, 2018 23:43:06 GMT -5
If they can get the caliber of talent that All In had, then there's absolutely no reason why not as far as I'm concerned. All In was certainly sold as a moment in time, but moment or no moment, it sold out instantly with basically no card info or advertising. The real question is can they put together compelling storylines and angles regularly and the only way to find that out is for the product to become a reality. The company is more of a reality now than it was yesterday, because of the AEW twitter account, Khan is making it known that he’s interested in running big and known arenas, the Bucks are now a big part of the opposition to Vince both behind the scenes and in the ring. They’re gonna have to recreate the success of All In. Ironically enough Matt and Nick considered quitting after the wwe turned them down around 2011. Matt and Nick were pretty much out of money, Matt tells a story about his credit card getting declined after he tried to buy a one dollar sandwich at an airport. They really needed to get signed by the wwe and they were rejected because of the stupid etiquette of shaking everyone’s hands. Never heard this story about Matt and Nick, but it certainly makes things interesting, look at how everything for them played out afterwards. This also adds an interesting dynamic to the people already involved, Jericho, Ross, the Bucks and Cody, they have all been screwed by WWE in some fashion and have that as an extra incentive for this to work. After just watching the XWF-Wrestling with Wregret, it shows how money mark feds usually go. Of course in XWF we saw Jimmy Hart with Hogan and Pals using their names to work a money mark over, minus Hart this happens again with TNA and had already happened in WCW. They didn't care about the product, weren't trying to produce real competition for WWE, it was just a way for Hogan/Hart to get their friends and themselves a nice payday. But there is a chance this could go differently. If this ends up the way of XWF, being a vanity project by the Elite with Ross/Jericho working a money mark, their names will go down in infamy and the fans will turn even harder on the Elite than in recent months. However, each one of them have a reason to give WWE the finger and make this work. Jericho- While Jericho usually talks up WWE and has even worked the recent Saudi Arabia show, things seem to be changing. WWE trying to block Misterio from the cruise, Jericho complaining about his Saudi Arabia payday(which was good, but no where near the amount of other veterans on the show) and of course Jericho not only getting rejected by HHH to borrow NXT wrestlers for his career but literally being called into Stamford for a 30 minute sit down meeting to be dressed down about it, when a simple phone call most likely would have sufficed. Ross- Fired from WWE over Ric Flair's drunkenness at the 2K press conference, which happened because he found his son dead days before. While Ross has often spoke highly of WWE, even on New Japan broadcasts, that tone seems to be changing. It seems to reassert the reason for Ross being a WWE sycophant isn't because he feels they are far superior, but because he doesn't want to burn that payday bridge. However if another successful US company could rise, he wouldn't have to be a shill for a company that clearly doesn't value him. The Bucks- see JR Smith is a f***ing idiot's post. Also WWE's Cease and Desist orders Cody- Pretty obvious he's not a fan, the guy left on his own accord because he was so unhappy with his creative direction. He may not have proven them wrong with his in ring work, but his self promotion and All In proved the guy has Dusty's blood running through his veins. If these guys can be motivated, they can certainly add to this company and at least give a chance to succeed. All I am saying is unlike "Hogan and Friends" there is some motivation for this to work beyond a quick payday.
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Post by Dragonfly on Nov 22, 2018 23:47:32 GMT -5
I’m remembering the xwf now, how it was supposed to be the next thing but it folded like a year later. I think Jimmy Hart ran it. Funny that the Youtube series "Wresting With Wregret" just posted a vid about the XWF. Link only cause of some footage: youtu.be/3dlBv6vYl3wFun fact: There were discussions early on for the "family friendly" XWF and "adults only" TNA (then known as both "Tuesday Night Attitude" and T&A) to be a shared universe. The day-to-day storylines would remain separate due to content concerns, but the character names, gimmicks, alignments and long-term rivalries would exist in both companies. Jerry Jarrett briefly mentions this in his diary/book/incoherent ramblings about the start of TNA. PWTorch also has some info on it in their archives.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Nov 23, 2018 2:38:12 GMT -5
Funny that the Youtube series "Wresting With Wregret" just posted a vid about the XWF. Link only cause of some footage: youtu.be/3dlBv6vYl3wFun fact: There were discussions early on for the "family friendly" XWF and "adults only" TNA (then known as both "Tuesday Night Attitude" and T&A) to be a shared universe. The day-to-day storylines would remain separate due to content concerns, but the character names, gimmicks, alignments and long-term rivalries would exist in both companies. Jerry Jarrett briefly mentions this in his diary/book/incoherent ramblings about the start of TNA. PWTorch also has some info on it in their archives. Jimmy Hart and Jarrett coexisting together lol add Russo to the mix and it would’ve been the biggest clusterf*** ever.
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Post by Ultimo Gallos on Nov 23, 2018 3:41:36 GMT -5
Funny that the Youtube series "Wresting With Wregret" just posted a vid about the XWF. Link only cause of some footage: youtu.be/3dlBv6vYl3wI need the AEW to turn into this Why? More feds succeeding means better wrestling. And I would think wrestling fans would want better wrestling. I want to see more feds,cause that means more places for wrestlers to work. And the big indies there are it means less wrestlers that end up taking low ball deals in NXT. Had 2 LA Indy guys I know get offered NXT deals 2 years ago and the pay wasn't that great. One of them accepted the offer. But one didnt. The one that didn't turned the offer down cause he would make more working his normal job and then working for LA/TX Indies on the weekends,BTW he recently appeared on Ring Warriors. The one that accepted the offer ended up not going cause of family issues right before he was suppose to head to NXT. Look at Sami Callihan. He went to NXT for a few years. IIRC never made TV. Left and is making more money now on the Indies than he did in NXT.
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Post by toodarkmark on Nov 23, 2018 4:05:58 GMT -5
Tuesday Night Dynamite almost seems like a rib on Monday Night Nitro. I'm imagining how much richer my wrestling experience will be with a comedy Monday Night War thing going on.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Nov 23, 2018 5:39:14 GMT -5
Look at Sami Callihan. He went to NXT for a few years. IIRC never made TV. Left and is making more money now on the Indies than he did in NXT. He did have a TV run in NXT eventually, about eight months or so, but it was after a couple of gimmick changes that never left the Florida loop and some injuries and it just never got going for him.
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Post by Mozenrath on Nov 23, 2018 6:04:25 GMT -5
Look at Sami Callihan. He went to NXT for a few years. IIRC never made TV. Left and is making more money now on the Indies than he did in NXT. He did have a TV run in NXT eventually, about eight months or so, but it was after a couple of gimmick changes that never left the Florida loop and some injuries and it just never got going for him. I also imagine that he'd have been game to stay if Havok got hired, and she would have been if not for her twitter.
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Post by abjordans on Nov 23, 2018 9:33:19 GMT -5
This just makes Meltzer more credible in my eyes. Thanks to him, this was essentially able to come damn near fully together without a lot of crazy speculation from the fan base. It was seen as a baseless rumor or pipe dream simply because Meltzer said so, meanwhile it has been put together by all the guys he is known to talk to on a regular basis and a guy who has subscribed to his newsletter for decades. Meltzer is the ultimate puppet master. Meltzer is the new age kayfabe.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Nov 23, 2018 9:35:34 GMT -5
I need the AEW to turn into this Why? More feds succeeding means better wrestling. And I would think wrestling fans would want better wrestling. I want to see more feds,cause that means more places for wrestlers to work. And the big indies there are it means less wrestlers that end up taking low ball deals in NXT. Had 2 LA Indy guys I know get offered NXT deals 2 years ago and the pay wasn't that great. One of them accepted the offer. But one didnt. The one that didn't turned the offer down cause he would make more working his normal job and then working for LA/TX Indies on the weekends,BTW he recently appeared on Ring Warriors. The one that accepted the offer ended up not going cause of family issues right before he was suppose to head to NXT. Look at Sami Callihan. He went to NXT for a few years. IIRC never made TV. Left and is making more money now on the Indies than he did in NXT. I said that as a joke. The Bucks are not dumb at all and no way they present the product that way. It’s just that XWF was hilarious for all the wrong reasons. They said that there wasn’t gonna be divas or prima donnas but Hulk Hogan and Buff Bagwell were used. Their obviously roided up prospects like The Wall. Willie Nelson looking very uncomfortable during a Hacksaw Jim Duggan interview.
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Post by Convoy on Nov 23, 2018 10:16:04 GMT -5
He did have a TV run in NXT eventually, about eight months or so, but it was after a couple of gimmick changes that never left the Florida loop and some injuries and it just never got going for him. I also imagine that he'd have been game to stay if Havok got hired, and she would have been if not for her twitter. She was part of a tryout that led to a number of signings too. Athena (Ember Moon), Drew Gulak, Biff Busick (Oney Lorcan), Tommaso Ciampa and Johnny Gargano were all signed after that week. The only ones to be told no? Jessicka Havok (due to her tweets) Taylor Hendrix Chuck Taylor
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Post by Can you afford to pay me, Gah on Nov 23, 2018 11:07:58 GMT -5
The company is more of a reality now than it was yesterday, because of the AEW twitter account, Khan is making it known that he’s interested in running big and known arenas, the Bucks are now a big part of the opposition to Vince both behind the scenes and in the ring. They’re gonna have to recreate the success of All In. Ironically enough Matt and Nick considered quitting after the wwe turned them down around 2011. Matt and Nick were pretty much out of money, Matt tells a story about his credit card getting declined after he tried to buy a one dollar sandwich at an airport. They really needed to get signed by the wwe and they were rejected because of the stupid etiquette of shaking everyone’s hands. Never heard this story about Matt and Nick, but it certainly makes things interesting, look at how everything for them played out afterwards. This also adds an interesting dynamic to the people already involved, Jericho, Ross, the Bucks and Cody, they have all been screwed by WWE in some fashion and have that as an extra incentive for this to work. After just watching the XWF-Wrestling with Wregret, it shows how money mark feds usually go. Of course in XWF we saw Jimmy Hart with Hogan and Pals using their names to work a money mark over, minus Hart this happens again with TNA and had already happened in WCW. They didn't care about the product, weren't trying to produce real competition for WWE, it was just a way for Hogan/Hart to get their friends and themselves a nice payday. But there is a chance this could go differently. If this ends up the way of XWF, being a vanity project by the Elite with Ross/Jericho working a money mark, their names will go down in infamy and the fans will turn even harder on the Elite than in recent months. However, each one of them have a reason to give WWE the finger and make this work. Jericho- While Jericho usually talks up WWE and has even worked the recent Saudi Arabia show, things seem to be changing. WWE trying to block Misterio from the cruise, Jericho complaining about his Saudi Arabia payday(which was good, but no where near the amount of other veterans on the show) and of course Jericho not only getting rejected by HHH to borrow NXT wrestlers for his career but literally being called into Stamford for a 30 minute sit down meeting to be dressed down about it, when a simple phone call most likely would have sufficed. Ross- Fired from WWE over Ric Flair's drunkenness at the 2K press conference, which happened because he found his son dead days before. While Ross has often spoke highly of WWE, even on New Japan broadcasts, that tone seems to be changing. It seems to reassert the reason for Ross being a WWE sycophant isn't because he feels they are far superior, but because he doesn't want to burn that payday bridge. However if another successful US company could rise, he wouldn't have to be a shill for a company that clearly doesn't value him. The Bucks- see JR Smith is a f***ing idiot's post. Also WWE's Cease and Desist orders Cody- Pretty obvious he's not a fan, the guy left on his own accord because he was so unhappy with his creative direction. He may not have proven them wrong with his in ring work, but his self promotion and All In proved the guy has Dusty's blood running through his veins. If these guys can be motivated, they can certainly add to this company and at least give a chance to succeed. All I am saying is unlike "Hogan and Friends" there is some motivation for this to work beyond a quick payday. The big difference between the XWF and what this is, that the XWF didn't seem to have the money or TV interest to keep talent. Hogan worked one match and never appeared on what was labeled a tape show. That match was labeled a bonus match on the DVD set. But just months after the XWF started Henning and Hogan sign with the WWE. The matches where short and mostly unpressive. More so the "new talent" like Hail and Ian Storm both green and basic. The main focus was Bagwell, Henning and Vampiro. The only great was the Cruierweight or mostly became the foundation of the X Division in TNA a few months later. But when you see what this could be and compare it to the XWF. You got better talent that even Jericho now still has great matches and the Club are in there prime. You have more ways today than in late 01 early 02 to get the word out. Twitter and Facebook, youtube, All the streaming services was not a thing back than.
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