Ultimo Gallos
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Post by Ultimo Gallos on Nov 23, 2018 11:21:17 GMT -5
Look at Sami Callihan. He went to NXT for a few years. IIRC never made TV. Left and is making more money now on the Indies than he did in NXT. He did have a TV run in NXT eventually, about eight months or so, but it was after a couple of gimmick changes that never left the Florida loop and some injuries and it just never got going for him. I stand corrected. Thank you I forgot he made TV.My memory isn't the best anymore. I could cop out and blame it on my sleep meds,but it is more I am old.
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Post by corndog on Nov 23, 2018 13:30:11 GMT -5
Never heard this story about Matt and Nick, but it certainly makes things interesting, look at how everything for them played out afterwards. This also adds an interesting dynamic to the people already involved, Jericho, Ross, the Bucks and Cody, they have all been screwed by WWE in some fashion and have that as an extra incentive for this to work. After just watching the XWF-Wrestling with Wregret, it shows how money mark feds usually go. Of course in XWF we saw Jimmy Hart with Hogan and Pals using their names to work a money mark over, minus Hart this happens again with TNA and had already happened in WCW. They didn't care about the product, weren't trying to produce real competition for WWE, it was just a way for Hogan/Hart to get their friends and themselves a nice payday. But there is a chance this could go differently. If this ends up the way of XWF, being a vanity project by the Elite with Ross/Jericho working a money mark, their names will go down in infamy and the fans will turn even harder on the Elite than in recent months. However, each one of them have a reason to give WWE the finger and make this work. Jericho- While Jericho usually talks up WWE and has even worked the recent Saudi Arabia show, things seem to be changing. WWE trying to block Misterio from the cruise, Jericho complaining about his Saudi Arabia payday(which was good, but no where near the amount of other veterans on the show) and of course Jericho not only getting rejected by HHH to borrow NXT wrestlers for his career but literally being called into Stamford for a 30 minute sit down meeting to be dressed down about it, when a simple phone call most likely would have sufficed. Ross- Fired from WWE over Ric Flair's drunkenness at the 2K press conference, which happened because he found his son dead days before. While Ross has often spoke highly of WWE, even on New Japan broadcasts, that tone seems to be changing. It seems to reassert the reason for Ross being a WWE sycophant isn't because he feels they are far superior, but because he doesn't want to burn that payday bridge. However if another successful US company could rise, he wouldn't have to be a shill for a company that clearly doesn't value him. The Bucks- see JR Smith is a f***ing idiot's post. Also WWE's Cease and Desist orders Cody- Pretty obvious he's not a fan, the guy left on his own accord because he was so unhappy with his creative direction. He may not have proven them wrong with his in ring work, but his self promotion and All In proved the guy has Dusty's blood running through his veins. If these guys can be motivated, they can certainly add to this company and at least give a chance to succeed. All I am saying is unlike "Hogan and Friends" there is some motivation for this to work beyond a quick payday. The big difference between the XWF and what this is, that the XWF didn't seem to have the money or TV interest to keep talent. Hogan worked one match and never appeared on what was labeled a tape show. That match was labeled a bonus match on the DVD set. But just months after the XWF started Henning and Hogan sign with the WWE. The matches where short and mostly unpressive. More so the "new talent" like Hail and Ian Storm both green and basic. The main focus was Bagwell, Henning and Vampiro. The only great was the Cruierweight or mostly became the foundation of the X Division in TNA a few months later. But when you see what this could be and compare it to the XWF. You got better talent that even Jericho now still has great matches and the Club are in there prime. You have more ways today than in late 01 early 02 to get the word out. Twitter and Facebook, youtube, All the streaming services was not a thing back than. I wasn't just comparing it to XWF, but other money mark feds as well. I think getting this on national tv would be big start. Also, the focal talent should be a solid start and I also think the Bucks/Elite will help find some top indy talent to bring in alongside themselves. As I said before the Elite are pretty good with social media and should have no problem getting the word out. The indy scene in the US is pretty strong despite WWE constantly signing talent from it and we also don't know if they are trying to get exclusive talent or try to work deals with other companies. Either way, it will be interesting to see how things play out. I would also say, not trying to start out too big is usually a smart move and something most feds like this fail to understand. While they all want to have as much top talent as possible, if you get too much the money runs out quick and problems start to occur.
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Post by Can you afford to pay me, Gah on Nov 23, 2018 14:08:38 GMT -5
The big difference between the XWF and what this is, that the XWF didn't seem to have the money or TV interest to keep talent. Hogan worked one match and never appeared on what was labeled a tape show. That match was labeled a bonus match on the DVD set. But just months after the XWF started Henning and Hogan sign with the WWE. The matches where short and mostly unpressive. More so the "new talent" like Hail and Ian Storm both green and basic. The main focus was Bagwell, Henning and Vampiro. The only great was the Cruierweight or mostly became the foundation of the X Division in TNA a few months later. But when you see what this could be and compare it to the XWF. You got better talent that even Jericho now still has great matches and the Club are in there prime. You have more ways today than in late 01 early 02 to get the word out. Twitter and Facebook, youtube, All the streaming services was not a thing back than. I wasn't just comparing it to XWF, but other money mark feds as well. I think getting this on national tv would be big start. Also, the focal talent should be a solid start and I also think the Bucks/Elite will help find some top indy talent to bring in alongside themselves. As I said before the Elite are pretty good with social media and should have no problem getting the word out. The indy scene in the US is pretty strong despite WWE constantly signing talent from it and we also don't know if they are trying to get exclusive talent or try to work deals with other companies. Either way, it will be interesting to see how things play out. I would also say, not trying to start out too big is usually a smart move and something most feds like this fail to understand. While they all want to have as much top talent as possible, if you get too much the money runs out quick and problems start to occur. The big thing with this to be successful is do the one thing TNA always failed at. I call it the big three which is Ticket Sales, Merchandise, and Some kind of Distribution (Used to be DVD event releases, now days a streaming service). The other big money mark feds a lot of them didn't really have "big money" but TNA never advertised which why there on the road shows didn't do well and the biggest draw back with doing taping in orlando was they where not allowed to have merchandise stands. You a point on how well the elite members are with social media and that makes than already ahead of the game compared to TNA Dixie. Basing there All IN success they did better than anything TNA ever done. While fans gave shit to TNA for touring, it has to happen at some point to cater to the fans who want to see there favorites live. The tour just has to be smartly done. Start with the well known wrestling hot bed towns. Invest in a marketing plan and advertising. More of than and less spending your payroll on "BIG names". In a lot of ways the Dixie era of Impact is a hell of a learning tool of what not to do. Big names are fine if you know how to use them right but if it make or breaks your budget to do the other things to really sell that show is the big thing you need to make sure its covered first.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Nov 23, 2018 15:10:37 GMT -5
I wasn't just comparing it to XWF, but other money mark feds as well. I think getting this on national tv would be big start. Also, the focal talent should be a solid start and I also think the Bucks/Elite will help find some top indy talent to bring in alongside themselves. As I said before the Elite are pretty good with social media and should have no problem getting the word out. The indy scene in the US is pretty strong despite WWE constantly signing talent from it and we also don't know if they are trying to get exclusive talent or try to work deals with other companies. Either way, it will be interesting to see how things play out. I would also say, not trying to start out too big is usually a smart move and something most feds like this fail to understand. While they all want to have as much top talent as possible, if you get too much the money runs out quick and problems start to occur. The big thing with this to be successful is do the one thing TNA always failed at. I call it the big three which is Ticket Sales, Merchandise, and Some kind of Distribution (Used to be DVD event releases, now days a streaming service). The other big money mark feds a lot of them didn't really have "big money" but TNA never advertised which why there on the road shows didn't do well and the biggest draw back with doing taping in orlando was they where not allowed to have merchandise stands. You a point on how well the elite members are with social media and that makes than already ahead of the game compared to TNA Dixie. Basing there All IN success they did better than anything TNA ever done. While fans gave shit to TNA for touring, it has to happen at some point to cater to the fans who want to see there favorites live. The tour just has to be smartly done. Start with the well known wrestling hot bed towns. Invest in a marketing plan and advertising. More of than and less spending your payroll on "BIG names". In a lot of ways the Dixie era of Impact is a hell of a learning tool of what not to do. Big names are fine if you know how to use them right but if it make or breaks your budget to do the other things to really sell that show is the big thing you need to make sure its covered first. Apparently the problem with touring and other aspects for tna was that Panda just didn’t care. They ended up seeing tna as not a wrestling company but an attraction on an amusement park, in this case Universal Studios. When Bischoff and others presented ideas of touring and going to other markets, the concept was foreign to them.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Nov 23, 2018 22:57:49 GMT -5
He did have a TV run in NXT eventually, about eight months or so, but it was after a couple of gimmick changes that never left the Florida loop and some injuries and it just never got going for him. I stand corrected. Thank you I forgot he made TV.My memory isn't the best anymore. I could cop out and blame it on my sleep meds,but it is more I am old. It's fair. There are many people who don't remember the saga of Solomon Crowe. It was basically "really tan guy with Troll doll hair lays out CJ Parker, does a weird rebound headbutt move, beats guys who are one foot out the door themselves, loses to Corbin, loses to Owens, loses to Crews, gone".
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Post by Mister Pigwell on Nov 24, 2018 1:37:24 GMT -5
Joe NegliaI hope this takes off just so I can start campaigning for an AEW board. TNA board has outlived its usefulness.
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Ultimo Gallos
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Post by Ultimo Gallos on Nov 24, 2018 2:10:33 GMT -5
Joe NegliaI hope this takes off just so I can start campaigning for an AEW board. TNA board has outlived it's usefulness. How about a MLW board? Kidding of course. But if there was one it might cause a lurker to join and post. Even if it was for a short stunt.
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Post by Mister Pigwell on Nov 24, 2018 2:35:01 GMT -5
Joe NegliaI hope this takes off just so I can start campaigning for an AEW board. TNA board has outlived it's usefulness. How about a MLW board? Kidding of course. But if there was one it might cause a lurker to join and post. Even if it was for a short stunt. Seriously though I'd kill for MLW to have that much interest where people wanted to actually have discussions, but I don't think the FAN audience is close to being there. Our dedicated thread barely gets activity unfortunately. Watch more MLW, FAN!
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Post by Joe Neglia on Nov 24, 2018 3:25:58 GMT -5
Joe NegliaI hope this takes off just so I can start campaigning for an AEW board. TNA board has outlived it's usefulness. How about a MLW board? Kidding of course. But if there was one it might cause a lurker to join and post. Even if it was for a short stunt. Unfortunately, even with the great strides that have been made regarding things like LU and NJPW, there just isn't any promotion right now that can sustain a healthy board. We're still looking at things, but Impact's time as an independent board is probably drawing to a close, and there's a good chance it won't be replaced by anything. But like I said, we're still looking at that.
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Nov 24, 2018 4:13:15 GMT -5
I stand corrected. Thank you I forgot he made TV.My memory isn't the best anymore. I could cop out and blame it on my sleep meds,but it is more I am old. It's fair. There are many people who don't remember the saga of Solomon Crowe. It was basically "really tan guy with Troll doll hair lays out CJ Parker, does a weird rebound headbutt move, beats guys who are one foot out the door themselves, loses to Corbin, loses to Owens, loses to Crews, gone". It's cause he was one of the snakebit guys in NXT. Every time he was either goign to debut or get something going something prevented it. First going to debut on TV? he got injured. second attempt... his father died and took some time off... third attempt he was given a new Valet... Zahra Schreiber, the SAME DAY her racist tweets surface... finally he just asked to be let go.
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Ultimo Gallos
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Post by Ultimo Gallos on Nov 24, 2018 5:40:54 GMT -5
How about a MLW board? Kidding of course. But if there was one it might cause a lurker to join and post. Even if it was for a short stunt. Seriously though I'd kill for MLW to have that much interest where people wanted to actually have discussions, but I don't think the FAN audience is close to being there. Our dedicated thread barely gets activity unfortunately. Watch more MLW, FAN! With it being on YouTube you would think more people would watch MLW. I have gotten hardcore "I only watch WWE " fans to start watching MLW Fusion. And both of them love it. So I ask the other posters here that live in the US,cause I keep hearing the MLW YouTube show is geo blocked outside the US,to give Fusion a try. It is a bit under an hour. And has a bit of everything. The roster is a nice mixture of big Indy talent and up and comers. So tomorrow go-to YouTube and watch the newest episode of MLW FUSION. Worst that can happen is you don't enjoy it. And you spent almost an hour watching it.
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Post by abjordans on Nov 24, 2018 7:43:50 GMT -5
Does this affect the G1 Supercard? Will The Elite and Jericho not appear at MSG?
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Post by Ultimo Gallos on Nov 24, 2018 8:07:17 GMT -5
Does this affect the G1 Supercard? Will The Elite and Jericho not appear at MSG? I doubt this new fed will have had their first show by then.
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Post by HMARK Center on Nov 24, 2018 8:31:36 GMT -5
Does this affect the G1 Supercard? Will The Elite and Jericho not appear at MSG? If I were a betting man, I'd guess that much of the Elite will still work for ROH, just not as full time contracted talent. And yeah, the odds their new promotion would be ready to run shows by next April feel slim to me.
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Post by Error on Nov 24, 2018 8:51:40 GMT -5
Does this affect the G1 Supercard? Will The Elite and Jericho not appear at MSG? Cody has said the match with Lethal is his last ROH match but he could be working is on that. The rest all have their deals end at the end of January. Not to say they couldn't be on the show, just there is no guarantee they will.
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Post by abjordans on Nov 24, 2018 9:19:49 GMT -5
Does this affect the G1 Supercard? Will The Elite and Jericho not appear at MSG? Cody has said the match with Lethal is his last ROH match but he could be working is on that. The rest all have their deals end at the end of January. Not to say they couldn't be on the show, just there is no guarantee they will. I just bought a ticket to that show, but it is a lot less interesting without those guys.
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Post by KofiMania on Nov 24, 2018 14:15:34 GMT -5
Cody has said the match with Lethal is his last ROH match but he could be working is on that. The rest all have their deals end at the end of January. Not to say they couldn't be on the show, just there is no guarantee they will. I just bought a ticket to that show, but it is a lot less interesting without those guys. The only people advertised for that show are Naito, Okada and Tanahashi. The rest of the big names are free agents.
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Nov 24, 2018 14:47:16 GMT -5
Jericho is a f***ing leech, lol. He's all over The Elite like their "cool" uncle.
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Post by KofiMania on Nov 25, 2018 1:25:08 GMT -5
Jericho is a f***ing leech, lol. He's all over The Elite like their "cool" uncle. Is it really leeching when he’s more popular and successful than them?
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Post by corndog on Nov 25, 2018 2:43:14 GMT -5
Seriously though I'd kill for MLW to have that much interest where people wanted to actually have discussions, but I don't think the FAN audience is close to being there. Our dedicated thread barely gets activity unfortunately. Watch more MLW, FAN! With it being on YouTube you would think more people would watch MLW. I have gotten hardcore "I only watch WWE " fans to start watching MLW Fusion. And both of them love it. So I ask the other posters here that live in the US,cause I keep hearing the MLW YouTube show is geo blocked outside the US,to give Fusion a try. It is a bit under an hour. And has a bit of everything. The roster is a nice mixture of big Indy talent and up and comers. So tomorrow go-to YouTube and watch the newest episode of MLW FUSION. Worst that can happen is you don't enjoy it. And you spent almost an hour watching it. I have been DVRing it on Bein Sport, but I usually binge watch a few episodes at a time. Good show, really like what they are doing.
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