mattyy
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Post by mattyy on Jan 1, 2019 5:13:26 GMT -5
That’s all well and good, but the question from here is... Is he going to put in enough money to make the promotion sustainable long-term, or enough money to make it a competitor to WWE? Because those are two completely different levels of investment. Yeah, Sinclair is bigger than Vince, but they don't give a shit about ROH and haven't put much money into it. I think that's about to change. AEW and ROH are gonna be competing for that #2 spot in North America, and I don't see either of them backing down.
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Jan 1, 2019 5:21:05 GMT -5
I honestly think, if they're smart about this, they can eventually be a serious competitor to the WWE. I don't think they'll be beating them in the ratings right away, but I think they have a shot at taking them on in time. The Elite have the "cool factor" working for them. There's not a damn thing cool about WWE now. It's obvious WWE has taken notice of this and are a little concerned due to the way they're signing up talent left and right. I'm just curious to see if there's any New Japan involvement with this. I think the first thing to do is not fall into the trap of trying to become competition to the WWE. I'm not saying the WWE shouldn't have competition or it could never rise to become competition to it... but that should not be the company's first or only goal.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jan 1, 2019 6:08:27 GMT -5
I honestly think, if they're smart about this, they can eventually be a serious competitor to the WWE. I don't think they'll be beating them in the ratings right away, but I think they have a shot at taking them on in time. The Elite have the "cool factor" working for them. There's not a damn thing cool about WWE now. It's obvious WWE has taken notice of this and are a little concerned due to the way they're signing up talent left and right. I'm just curious to see if there's any New Japan involvement with this. I wouldn’t think to jump that far ahead First on the agenda is to get out there and stay relevant. Don’t make this a vanity project
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Post by Tea & Crumpets on Jan 1, 2019 6:27:57 GMT -5
I really want this to be big. I really want this to blow up huge. I said at the time of All In, it was the most I've enjoyed an American wrestling event since prime-WCW/ECW, and the only time I've felt even close to that about American shows since was prime TNA when it was actually a hot alternative. I don't hate WWE but it's never been my natural-fit promotion to watch, if AEW can maintain the feel & look & quality of All In on even a slightly consistent basis I've finally got a can't-miss wrestling company again.
And I know it won't happen but I can't help but still wonder what if they manage to tempt Punk back to wrestling now. Billionaire-backed company with probably TV & PPV deals and a chance to stick it to WWE. Even if he says he now hates wrestling, Punk's shown before that he can be petty so...
The real interesting thing is gonna be what happens when WWE guys' contracts start to expire. If Bryan's was up now, rather than last year, for example.
Realistically yeah, they will never topple or even challenge WWE, it's a battle with ROH & New Japan for Distant #2, but for now, I can dream.
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Post by brettappedout (BLM) on Jan 1, 2019 7:10:32 GMT -5
Yeah, Sinclair is bigger than Vince, but they don't give a shit about ROH and haven't put much money into it. I think that's about to change. AEW and ROH are gonna be competing for that #2 spot in North America, and I don't see either of them backing down. Yeah I think the actual "war" will be between AEW & ROH. WWE has tons of talent stockpiled. So those 2 with really be fighting for talent along with trying to get a relationship with New Japan and smaller indies with TV deals like MLW.
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Post by HMARK Center on Jan 1, 2019 7:14:48 GMT -5
I'm mostly curious how they're thinking of structuring their contracts, given their desire to try and "change the wrestling world" by emphasizing freedom for the wrestlers, but that running up against the reality of needing to put some people under full-time contract to have a stable foundation.
Back in the early 00s Dusty Rhodes had a dream of making what amounted to a new NWA network of promotions (with himself in charge, of course), I can't help but wonder if Cody might be interested in something similar.
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Post by RKTaker on Jan 1, 2019 7:15:09 GMT -5
i just hope that when aew does get a tv deal it’s on a channel that i have
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Jan 1, 2019 7:17:26 GMT -5
Right now the only ones attached to this are Cody and Brandi, the YBs, Hangman Page, Kazarian, Daniels, and Scorpio Sky. They are on the graphic for the AEW: Double or Nothing info thing scheduled for Jan. 8 in Jacksonville. This is really, really interesting to me for the omission of Kenny. It could just mean that Kenny's contract with New Japan runs longer and he's not throwing in with them explicitly yet. But it could also say that he's staying in the long run. This is going to get interesting.
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Post by Steveweiser on Jan 1, 2019 7:23:50 GMT -5
ROH are already making moves, having allegedly outbid AEW to get Bandido. The indies will be heavily mined with AEW and ROH going after whatever talent aren't going to WWE.
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Post by RKTaker on Jan 1, 2019 7:31:20 GMT -5
Right now the only ones attached to this are Cody and Brandi, the YBs, Hangman Page, Kazarian, Daniels, and Scorpio Sky. They are on the graphic for the AEW: Double or Nothing info thing scheduled for Jan. 8 in Jacksonville. This is really, really interesting to me for the omission of Kenny. It could just mean that Kenny's contract with New Japan runs longer and he's not throwing in with them explicitly yet. But it could also say that he's staying in the long run. This is going to get interesting. marty scrull is onitted from this as if right now as well though also probably because his roh contract runs longer
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Post by honsou on Jan 1, 2019 7:37:01 GMT -5
I actually think this may be a big deal but there are so many questions that will need to be answered before its actually a "big deal".
1) What's the TV deal look like? Even if they get on a decent channel, getting a bad timeslot and no promotion could mean really bad news for them. Most important part is that are these shows going to be live?
2) What does the roster look like? Given that Cody and the Bucks had such an awful experience working with the old guard, its unlikely they are going to make the mistake of just hiring a bunch of old farts that can't work but they might put themselves in a position where they get a bunch of young guys who aren't quite ready yet. Are they going to let talent work indy dates?
3) Last and what I think is actually most important, what is their relationship going to be with other companies. Working with ROH doesn't seem like its in the cards but are they now full on at war with each other? What the does NJPW do?
The biggest winners in all of this is the talent. A lot of people are going to take a ton of money this year and that's great
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jan 1, 2019 7:40:08 GMT -5
It will be interesting to see if any talent in WWE eventually leave and go to this promotion
AEW doesn't need huge names but there are already rumors about talent like Ziggler and Nakamura maybe leaving WWE soon. I know people aren't fond of Ziggler but this change of scenery may legit be what he needs, a lot of people have turned around on Cody since leaving WWE and being his own thing. There are also guys already out of WWE taking the world by storm again in BASTARD PAC that could be a wonderful addition to the brand, but I don't know how is Japan deal is
There are other names that would be cool to throw around too, guys like Zack Ryder and Tye Dillenger would be great guys to just throw in the pool. And guys like maybe Breeze and Fandango depending on how much interest WWE has in them, have a lot of personality to gain more attention as well. Hell, what's Goldust doing these days? I doubt WWE's gonna use him anymore, maybe one last run before he takes a legends contract or a road agent job would be cool.
This will be interesting to see how exclusive the contracts are in terms of talent that will and will not sign, because there's a lot of talent from All In that would be very interesting and probably on the phones with them depending on the deals. It really sucks All In brought about an injury curse and guys like Janela, Ryan, and Marko Stunt are all on the shelf right now, because they too would be really good potential signings.
As far as TV goes I hope they get it. I'd watch, I think a lot of people would, and while I don't expect them to blow WWE out of the water, WWE's complacency with being shit and bringing their ratings down to record lows might be the perfect incentive to get on TV now while they're spinning their wheels. I guess we'll find out how those may be shaking out January 8th
Like the Elite or not this is a huge opportunity for wrestling as a whole, and something TNA whiffed on years ago due to horrific management and more. These guys get the right foundation, partnerships, sponsors, and deals, this could be something really exciting to watch over 2019 and beyond, and I'm very much ready to see what happens next.
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Post by corndog on Jan 1, 2019 10:17:25 GMT -5
I honestly think, if they're smart about this, they can eventually be a serious competitor to the WWE. I don't think they'll be beating them in the ratings right away, but I think they have a shot at taking them on in time. The Elite have the "cool factor" working for them. There's not a damn thing cool about WWE now. It's obvious WWE has taken notice of this and are a little concerned due to the way they're signing up talent left and right. I'm just curious to see if there's any New Japan involvement with this. I really doubt New Japan abandons their relationship with ROH at least for the time being. Also considering AEW is going to be competition for ROH, I even wonder if New Japan will allow signed talent to work for AEW? One thing about Japanese culture is that loyalty and trust are heavily valued, even in business. Personally I have mixed feelings on this. Don't get me wrong, I don't have a problem with the Elite doing their own thing, but I am not sure if this helps the American wrestling scene. MLW has been on a roll and ROH has been a consistent product, even though it hasn't been great as of late. I don't believe in this day and age that there is enough room outside of WWE for three ECW sized promotions in the US, something will have to give. While people think Vince is panicking, there is a reason why he is signing more indy talent than ever. He is stripping the talent from beneath them and at the top. ROH doesn't have the talent to replace the Elite, at least not in terms of drawing power. Granted, I put a lot of the blame on them, as they should have brought in people ready to step in when and if the Elite left. It's not like this was any sort of surprise after All In happened and proved to be a success. At least in New Japan their talent roster is so strong that it had too much talent and plenty of wrestlers are waiting in the wings to fill their spots. It's also why having a relationship with New Japan is so important, and something that ROH obviously relied too heavily on.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2019 10:25:50 GMT -5
is there really a demand among tv execs for non-wwe wrestling when ROH and TNA are on their parent company's stations?
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Post by cabbageboy on Jan 1, 2019 10:56:16 GMT -5
So what is this deal on Jan. 8? Is it an actual show in Jacksonville or just an announcement or press conference?
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Post by Facetious on Jan 1, 2019 11:11:58 GMT -5
I think this is huge and I hope I'm right. ROH needs a reality check and WWE needs a little more than an ounce of fear to get their shit together. Unfortunately WWE's concern right now is signing everyone with any name.
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Post by BoomPeriod on Jan 1, 2019 12:02:58 GMT -5
They need some established commentators like Jim Ross or Joey Styles. That would be great.
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Post by KofiMania on Jan 1, 2019 12:18:27 GMT -5
So what is this deal on Jan. 8? Is it an actual show in Jacksonville or just an announcement or press conference? It’s a rally where more info will be released.
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Post by TOK Is the Target Demo on Jan 1, 2019 12:22:08 GMT -5
One of the mods over on the wrestling subreddit is saying that they've got a deal with the Turner networks for the fall and a touring schedule starting in the spring already locked in, and waiting for more names to be free from their WWE/NJPW deals before announcing anything.
Dude was reporting details about AEW before Meltzer was, so he's got cred on this already.
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Post by corndog on Jan 1, 2019 12:29:37 GMT -5
I think this is huge and I hope I'm right. ROH needs a reality check and WWE needs a little more than an ounce of fear to get their shit together. Unfortunately WWE's concern right now is signing everyone with any name. WWE won't change until someone actually challenges their popularity in the US. Their ratings and fanbase have been falling since 2001 and they still don't change. As far as ROH, the blood is on their hands. They were too complacent and just relied on the Elite and New Japan stars to draw fans. They should have been trying to pick up top indy talent that instead went to WWE. Whereas New Japan has been very proactive for the whole situation. The realignment of Bullet Club shows they planned for life after the Elite. I do wonder how long they knew though and if the original intention of the Bullet Club split was a civil war that never really happened? It seemed like a lot happened in September-October, when New Japan usually moves storylines at a much slower pace.
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