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Post by Mozenrath on Nov 21, 2018 21:15:59 GMT -5
I'm not shocked people are putting every aspect of this down, its the nature of the internet wrestling fan, but man oh man, let me be the one to be excited. Just a few things. 1. Daddy Khan is a bad business man? He went from coming to America with no money to making 7 billion dollars. This is the idiot who owns two sports teams? Ok. Im going to respectfully disagree and say he is not a money mark in the Herb Abrams and Dixie Carter way. 2. Is Son Khan a money mark? He is running a few companies and seems to share his dads spirit in making money and starting/supporting ventures. 3. Cody and the Young Bucks built a small empire and their ideas alone. They sold out a 12k arena on an idea. They built a huge audience for a dumb joke youtube show. They got their shirts into Malls all over the country. They are literally the hottest thing on the indie scene since.... 2005 ROH? Maybe hotter? 4. Vince McMahon lives and breaths WWE? 500 million dollars and the XFL relaunch in 2020 would like to kindly disagree. 5. Chris Jericho is one of the biggest wrestlers in the world. He has huge crossover appeal in the entertainment world. He gets a huge pop in any promotion he goes too. McMahon would put him in a main event tomorrow. He doesnt know how to hustle? He is one of the best hustlers of all time and knows how to build and msintain a successful brand, and isnt afraid to take chances. 6. Jim Ross has run a successful podcast, worked for WWF and WCW. He has seen the world over a 100 times. Whos a bigger living announcer? Who knows more people? Yeah he has lost a lot of his ability, but he's a carney who wants to rip people off? Really? Money + talent + experience + passion seems like a fairly good chance for success. I think the issue is, people want this to work, but we've all been burned before. Hope is a scary thing with wrestling, especially after Global, TNA, ROH (which has been more good than bad, but the Sinclair connection has been both a blessing and a sour point), etc. It feels more doable here than ever before, and I want so bad for this to work, but if it falls apart, it's going to feel like "this is what we get for wanting things".
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Nov 21, 2018 21:19:37 GMT -5
I'm not shocked people are putting every aspect of this down, its the nature of the internet wrestling fan, but man oh man, let me be the one to be excited. Just a few things. 1. Daddy Khan is a bad business man? He went from coming to America with no money to making 7 billion dollars. This is the idiot who owns two sports teams? Ok. Im going to respectfully disagree and say he is not a money mark in the Herb Abrams and Dixie Carter way. 2. Is Son Khan a money mark? He is running a few companies and seems to share his dads spirit in making money and starting/supporting ventures. 3. Cody and the Young Bucks built a small empire and their ideas alone. They sold out a 12k arena on an idea. They built a huge audience for a dumb joke youtube show. They got their shirts into Malls all over the country. They are literally the hottest thing on the indie scene since.... 2005 ROH? Maybe hotter? 4. Vince McMahon lives and breaths WWE? 500 million dollars and the XFL relaunch in 2020 would like to kindly disagree. 5. Chris Jericho is one of the biggest wrestlers in the world. He has huge crossover appeal in the entertainment world. He gets a huge pop in any promotion he goes too. McMahon would put him in a main event tomorrow. He doesnt know how to hustle? He is one of the best hustlers of all time and knows how to build and msintain a successful brand, and isnt afraid to take chances. 6. Jim Ross has run a successful podcast, worked for WWF and WCW. He has seen the world over a 100 times. Whos a bigger living announcer? Who knows more people? Yeah he has lost a lot of his ability, but he's a carney who wants to rip people off? Really? Money + talent + experience + passion seems like a fairly good chance for success. I think the issue is, people want this to work, but we've all been burned before. Hope is a scary thing with wrestling, especially after Global, TNA, ROH (which has been more good than bad, but the Sinclair connection has been both a blessing and a sour point), etc. It feels more doable here than ever before, and I want so bad for this to work, but if it falls apart, it's going to feel like "this is what we get for wanting things". This is why I’m scared about being optimistic. I believed Bischoff and Hogan when they said they were gonna be able to compete with Vince and then they self destructed. I also thought the Carter family were gonna be able to outspend Vince because of Panda Energy but it never happened.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2018 21:20:59 GMT -5
The AEWrestling twitter has followed a couple of arenas: Sears Center in Chicago(Home of ALL IN), The Forum in LA, Pepsi Center in Denver(home of a couple of UFC Events, most recently Korean Zombie vs. Rodriguez, as well as the 2009 RAW/Nuggets controversy in 2009), Wells Fargo Center in Philly(regularly hosts WWE Events, most notably WrestleMania XV, and Royal Rumble 2014/2015/2018), Target Center in Minneapolis(held TLC last year), Toyota Center in Houston, Smoothie King Center in New Orleans (Host of NXT TakeOver New Orleans, Hall of Fame, and RAW/SmackDown after Mania this past year), Key Arena in Seattle(Host of No Way Out 2009, and Over the Limit 2011), Quicken Loans Arena in Cleveland(the arena CM Punk walked out of WWE and debuted in UFC), T-Mobile Arena in Las Vegas(Elimination Chamber this year, and will host SmackDown in a couple weeks), PNC Arena in Raleigh, NC(a usual WWE House Show spot), Little Caeser's Arena in Detroit(Hell in a Cell 2017), and Fiserv Forum in Milwaukee. Well Khan certainly wants to be a competitor. I don’t think even tna has ever used such big arenas as the ones listed. It took almost twenty years but there could be a new company. TNA did a lot of house shows in big arenas and a PPV at the Alamodome. They never came close to filling them, but they did shows there none the less. Huge venues are sometimes relatively cheap to rent out because there isn't as much demand for them, especially if they are in a smaller city or the #2 or #3 arena in a major city.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Nov 21, 2018 21:21:44 GMT -5
Well Khan certainly wants to be a competitor. I don’t think even tna has ever used such big arenas as the ones listed. It took almost twenty years but there could be a new company. TNA did a lot of house shows in big arenas and a PPV at the Alamodome. They never came close to filling them, but they did shows there none the less. Huge venues are sometimes relatively cheap to rent out because there isn't as much demand for them, especially if they are in a smaller city or the #2 or #3 arena in a major city. I didnt know that, when was it?
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Post by Fade on Nov 21, 2018 21:25:49 GMT -5
I'd love to know Vince's reaction. Or better, Triple Hs.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Nov 21, 2018 21:27:33 GMT -5
I'd love to know Vince's reaction. Or better, Triple Hs. Probably in private they’re pissed off, but apparently the McMahons never sell when they’re mad. Vince had a saying something to the effect of “don’t let them know that they’re getting to you.”
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Post by mattyy on Nov 21, 2018 21:30:16 GMT -5
yeah, the thing to watch, in my opinion, is if NXT gets taken on the road whenever they officially announce All Elite as a real thing. If Jericho does have some involvement, I could see him to try and push The Bucks and Cody to do festival tours like Triple H has had NXT do with them working Louder than Life/Download/Etc.
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Post by Chainsaw on Nov 21, 2018 21:41:29 GMT -5
The AEWrestling twitter has followed a couple of arenas: Sears Center in Chicago(Home of ALL IN), The Forum in LA, Pepsi Center in Denver(home of a couple of UFC Events, most recently Korean Zombie vs. Rodriguez, as well as the 2009 RAW/Nuggets controversy in 2009), Wells Fargo Center in Philly(regularly hosts WWE Events, most notably WrestleMania XV, and Royal Rumble 2014/2015/2018), Target Center in Minneapolis(held TLC last year), Toyota Center in Houston, Smoothie King Center in New Orleans (Host of NXT TakeOver New Orleans, Hall of Fame, and RAW/SmackDown after Mania this past year), Key Arena in Seattle(Host of No Way Out 2009, and Over the Limit 2011), Quicken Loans Arena in Cleveland(the arena CM Punk walked out of WWE and debuted in UFC), T-Mobile Arena in Las Vegas(Elimination Chamber this year, and will host SmackDown in a couple weeks), PNC Arena in Raleigh, NC(a usual WWE House Show spot), Little Caeser's Arena in Detroit(Hell in a Cell 2017), and Fiserv Forum in Milwaukee. I'll say this much, from a social media side, they're certainly playing a smart undercover game right now.
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Nov 21, 2018 21:48:22 GMT -5
TNA did a lot of house shows in big arenas and a PPV at the Alamodome. They never came close to filling them, but they did shows there none the less. Huge venues are sometimes relatively cheap to rent out because there isn't as much demand for them, especially if they are in a smaller city or the #2 or #3 arena in a major city. I didnt know that, when was it? Lockdown 2013. A lot of people on here and other sites made fun of TNA for running essentially a corner of the Alamodome at the time, but it is still the biggest US crowd TNA ever drew. They also made the set up look good on TV, which is something ROH hasn't been able to do with their recent foray into bigger arenas (ahem Death Before Dishonor 2018).
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Nov 21, 2018 21:53:39 GMT -5
I didnt know that, when was it? Lockdown 2013. A lot of people on here and other sites made fun of TNA for running essentially a corner of the Alamodome at the time, but it is still the biggest US crowd TNA ever drew. They also made the set up look good on TV, which is something ROH hasn't been able to do with their recent foray into bigger arenas (ahem Death Before Dishonor 2018). It says that it was their highest attendance in the us. I wonder if they made money on that show.
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Post by Convoy on Nov 21, 2018 22:52:12 GMT -5
If it gets us a post-Elite ROH that can find its own identity again, a New Japan without The Elite always floating overhead, and another big name on the US super indy scene, I can see only good things from it. Let's do it Well said. I understand going with the hot hand, but ROH under Delirious has become way too reliant on the Elite.
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Post by cabbageboy on Nov 21, 2018 23:25:19 GMT -5
Who exactly will be the talent on these shows though? NJPW, ROH, and CMLL all have a relationship and it's tough to see these guys getting any talent from those groups. I think it would be wise to keep one foot in those waters and do some dates for NJPW at least, just to keep that relationship going. I guess AAA can send some talent.
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Post by Ultimo Gallos on Nov 21, 2018 23:51:59 GMT -5
More feds is better. But the IWC, on average, are bitter and want stuff to fail.
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Post by HMARK Center on Nov 21, 2018 23:54:12 GMT -5
Who exactly will be the talent on these shows though? NJPW, ROH, and CMLL all have a relationship and it's tough to see these guys getting any talent from those groups. I think it would be wise to keep one foot in those waters and do some dates for NJPW at least, just to keep that relationship going. I guess AAA can send some talent. I'd guess it almost entirely depends on what their initial goal is. If I had to place a bet, I don't think Omega, for example, is going to sever his ties with NJPW. I also think that Cody and the Bucks are aware that a big reason why this idea has a prayer of working nowadays is because a lot of the non-WWE wrestling scene has come to the realization that none of the individual promotions have the type of pull to get by entirely on exclusive talent (e.g. Lucha Underground letting people free, Impact not tying anyone down, the NJPW/CMLL/ROH/RevPro partnership allowing talent to work across multiple promotions, etc.). Given that, I don't think we're looking at a situation where, say, they try to sign Pentagon and Fenix to exclusive deals; instead, they'll look the join the constellation of current viable promotions wrestlers can work, but just potentially have more money behind it and thus try and access a better TV spot. I'm sure with the right money they might sign some wrestlers to special deals, but as of this moment I think they're all too aware of the fact that the non-WWE scene is booming precisely because top names are working multiple promotions. Still, this is all super early, so I suppose anything we say will just be speculation. I'm definitely eager to see what happens, though; much as I enjoy BTE, it's true that the Elite guys have kind of become this weird presence between NJPW and ROH where they feel both a part of those promotions and yet apart from them, as well, so maybe this will finally bring some clarity and allow New Japan and ROH to either go in new directions or at least book the Elite guys in different ways.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Nov 21, 2018 23:55:20 GMT -5
Who exactly will be the talent on these shows though? NJPW, ROH, and CMLL all have a relationship and it's tough to see these guys getting any talent from those groups. I think it would be wise to keep one foot in those waters and do some dates for NJPW at least, just to keep that relationship going. I guess AAA can send some talent. Doesn’t AAA has some sort of exclusivity deal with tna and lu?
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Post by corndog on Nov 22, 2018 2:02:54 GMT -5
I'm not shocked people are putting every aspect of this down, its the nature of the internet wrestling fan, but man oh man, let me be the one to be excited. Just a few things. 1. Daddy Khan is a bad business man? He went from coming to America with no money to making 7 billion dollars. This is the idiot who owns two sports teams? Ok. Im going to respectfully disagree and say he is not a money mark in the Herb Abrams and Dixie Carter way. 2. Is Son Khan a money mark? He is running a few companies and seems to share his dads spirit in making money and starting/supporting ventures. 3. Cody and the Young Bucks built a small empire and their ideas alone. They sold out a 12k arena on an idea. They built a huge audience for a dumb joke youtube show. They got their shirts into Malls all over the country. They are literally the hottest thing on the indie scene since.... 2005 ROH? Maybe hotter? 4. Vince McMahon lives and breaths WWE? 500 million dollars and the XFL relaunch in 2020 would like to kindly disagree. 5. Chris Jericho is one of the biggest wrestlers in the world. He has huge crossover appeal in the entertainment world. He gets a huge pop in any promotion he goes too. McMahon would put him in a main event tomorrow. He doesnt know how to hustle? He is one of the best hustlers of all time and knows how to build and msintain a successful brand, and isnt afraid to take chances. 6. Jim Ross has run a successful podcast, worked for WWF and WCW. He has seen the world over a 100 times. Whos a bigger living announcer? Who knows more people? Yeah he has lost a lot of his ability, but he's a carney who wants to rip people off? Really? Money + talent + experience + passion seems like a fairly good chance for success. I think it all depends how it plays out and what responsibilities the Khans give Cody/Bucks, Jericho and Ross. All have their strengths and can help on the business side of things. Cody/Bucks are geniuses at marketing themselves, they have proven this time and time again. Their savvy of how modern wrestling and the fans work is incredible. They could certainly help with promoting the product on social media and build a buzz. I also think they have the initiative to get it their best and try to make it work. Also from "Being the Elite" and "All In", they have proven they can also be creative and help with booking. Jericho has his good and his bad. He is one of the most creative wrestlers of all time, constantly able to reinvent himself and even to this day, a strong in ring performer. Proven both with his cruise and recent New Japan run, Jericho can bring interest and is a draw. He is much more old school than Cody and the Bucks in the fact that he prefers to work the fans rather than letting them in on the inside of the business, but in some ways, this is a lost art. However, he does have interest outside of wrestling and I cannot see him committed full time. He's a nice piece to have, but the key for the Khans is not making him the focal point of the company in and out of the ring. Then there is Jim Ross, obviously on here Jim seems to have lost a lot of his fans these days. His work as a commentator for New Japan on AXS has been subpart at best and it does seem he has lost his passion. But Ross does have a deep knowledge of the wrestling business stemming from his days with Bill Watts where he worked his way up to a high position in Watts office. He has had a very high ranking position in the WWE and I am sure learned a lot from his time in Vince's office. So from the business side of professional wrestling, Ross could offer quite a bit. But considering his age, his dislike of working in the WWE's office and his seeming lost passion, I believe Ross would best be served as a consultant to give Khan advice on how to structure his office and conduct business. Recently prowrestlingsheet reported that Ross and Jericho's roles in the company have been overstated and are most likely not going to be key members of the company. If that is true, I think that is for the best, as I can't see them wanting to really work hard to get this company off the ground. Not saying they can't be useful, but I would not expect long hours from either of them. As far as Vince, even though he is rebooting XFL, he is always fully committed to WWE. His work ethic and drive are insane. However, Vince has become incredibly out of touch with the fans and personally I believe Vince has started to become a detriment to his company. With no real competition, Vince never puts out his best work, he prefers to do what he wants to see. It would be nice if at the very least this lights a fire under his ass and forces him to put out a better product, but we will have to see how this company does first.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Nov 22, 2018 3:38:04 GMT -5
If it gets us a post-Elite ROH that can find its own identity again, a New Japan without The Elite always floating overhead, and another big name on the US super indy scene, I can see only good things from it. Let's do it Well said. I understand going with the hot hand, but ROH under Delirious has become way too reliant on the Elite. Between overreliance on The Elite, WWE's talent raids, and the people they have tried to push being guys like Punishment Martinez, ROH has just lost me. I even like The Elite guys, but the company's identity at this point is "the major US promotion The Bucks work for and sometimes we get Kushida" when it can be so much more.
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Post by MAGGLE on Nov 22, 2018 3:42:35 GMT -5
People that are putting this down are so negative. Can you imagine just laughing at people for trying something? Pathetic.
This is something that could change pro wrestling tbh. Lets just see how this goes, this dude makes Vince look like a small business owner tbh (wealth alone) and the amount of connections in the industry from the people involved is insane. Ross could manage talent, Cody and The Bucks book the shows with the Khans ( hopefully he just agrees to everything) and Omega is your Guy in the Main Event.
A Promotion with just the elite alone is enough competition, a promotion with BILLIONS behind it is pretty scary.
Maybe Vince made some enemies in the NFL with his XFL rebirth and they are going to try to make him pay (maybe, very unlikely)
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Post by AwamoriRock on Nov 22, 2018 3:47:06 GMT -5
A Promotion with just the elite alone is enough competition I mean, the promotions that have had the Elite so far haven't exactly proved to be that. I don't even think of this as a competition anyway, and I'm very transparently going to admit my ignorance to areas of this since I am pretty much sour on all of them, but my understanding has been that they have diverging audiences at this point.
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Post by MAGGLE on Nov 22, 2018 4:14:58 GMT -5
A Promotion with just the elite alone is enough competition I mean, the promotions that have had the Elite so far haven't exactly proved to be that. I don't even think of this as a competition anyway, and I'm very transparently going to admit my ignorance to areas of this since I am pretty much sour on all of them, but my understanding has been that they have diverging audiences at this point. They are all seperated in promotions. Yeah guys like the Bucks and Cody come to NJPW a couple of times per month but its mostly 10min matches without any promos for the Bucks and Cody is a big player but he isn´t always there because of his other duties in the states. It would be much better for all performers to be in the States where they are home AND also have a bit of creative control. I am not saying that this new company could just overthrow the WWE or anything like that. But it could catch all the fans who are frustrated with the WWE (thats so many people lol) . I am not a fan of them doing a huge weekly show tbh. Maybe 1h per week and a 3 hour PPV every 2 months. Also don´t tour like WWE, it makes no sense. This should keep costs very low compared to WWE.
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