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Post by ThankGodForSidJustice on Oct 27, 2018 1:26:31 GMT -5
Problem with Ryder is that he doesn't have the physicality in ring to make it work as a high level heel despite now having the size/physique to pull it off. Even though I've always thought he was a decent enough worker my biggest problem with him was his offense, mainly his strikes, just always looked too soft for me. If he were to turn heel it would probably be more in a goofball lower midcard role like how he was used in 2009-2010 before his face turn. if Miz can be a high level heel,size and physique dont matter. The poster I was replying too though was talking about Ryder utilizing his size and bitterness to be more of an angry badass type heel. Also Miz is great at being the annoying arrogant heel that you want to see get beat up, which is the other route to being a top level heel. Ryder I don't think can really play that either. As a heel he only really fits as a goofball loser who you laugh at as he loses and gets made a fool of.
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Post by MAGGLE on Oct 27, 2018 1:47:15 GMT -5
The WWE Title still doesnt mean anything because of Mahal. I will probably never take it serious again. I am glad that Vince probably saw him on Raw and was like "Road Dogg, are you stupid?".
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2018 1:50:42 GMT -5
The WWE Title still doesnt mean anything because of Mahal. I'd argue it more doesn't mean anything because it went to Cena for absolutely no reason, then to Bray for absolutely no reason, then to Orton for absolutely no reason, then to Jinder for his stupid thing, and ever since then AJ's basically exclusively defending it against guys who never win anything in underwhelming matches and did the same exact feud twice in the process, all while no matter what's surrounding it they absolutely refuse to put the belt in any sort of prominent position on PPVs. Think the problem with the belt goes pretty far beyond just Jinder's reign.
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Post by hashtagdaley/JudasDay on Oct 27, 2018 2:00:02 GMT -5
I’m kind of disappointed. I like Mahal enough. I liked the absurd randomness of him winning the title out of nowhere. His championship entrance with the carpet rolling out was TOP-TIER. The title looked good on him.
But the dude was (still is, I assume?) gross to look at. Very average in the ring and didn’t improve. Bad character (not necessarily his fault on that one).
Hopefully he finds himself in the mid-card again. He has a spot above comedy jobber.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2018 2:00:22 GMT -5
Jinder's reign wasn't great but that title lineage is trash. Lesnar, Ambrose and Styles in his first run were the only ones to really make it pop recently.
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Post by Fade on Oct 27, 2018 2:08:08 GMT -5
This is the part where I point out that Jinder doesn't have much going for him in the ring either. You would think he would have some good power moves to compliment his new physique, but the Khallas rarely ever looks that good and I can't think of much else Jinder even does aside from his decent knee lift. There was that time he elbowed the f*** out of Finn Balor. Great wrestler. You can almost make out Jinder saying "VINCE SAYS UR TOO SMALL"
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Oct 27, 2018 2:17:43 GMT -5
Jinder's back to where he belongs really. The dude just plain isn't good enough to operate at a prominent level. Though to be fair this isn't necessarily a death sentence for him. I mean, Miz went from main-eventing Mania to being seemingly demoted to just a commentator for awhile and losing clean to Santino on a preshow, and look where he is now. True, but 2011 Miz was still so much better than Jinder.
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Post by DZ: WF Legacy on Oct 27, 2018 2:38:34 GMT -5
It's a shame they spent all that time making him just to break him again. At least make him a mid-card jobber and not a jobber's jobber.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2018 3:24:15 GMT -5
Liked Mahal's gimmick, but so many of his matches were the same. Weird.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2018 4:30:33 GMT -5
I’m gonna get hate for this but I think it’s a joke what they’re doing with Jinder at the minute.
I was a fan of his title run. He had some good matches with Orton and AJ. He should at least be a credible upper midcarder at least.
It’s clear to me that the Smackdown writers see him as a main eventer and the Raw ones see him as a jobber. That’s why he was doing that “Man of Peace” rubbish before his move to SD last year and all of a sudden he’s doing it again when he comes back to Raw.
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Post by Sparvid on Oct 27, 2018 8:52:36 GMT -5
Remember when people were shocked at the announcement that he was going to even be a part of a match which determined the new number one contender?
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Oct 27, 2018 9:33:02 GMT -5
His push was just for the indian market, and when they finally went to India? Triple H pinned him clean HAHAHAHAHAHAH
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Post by the2ndevil on Oct 27, 2018 9:48:00 GMT -5
I feel like we’re forgetting the fact Zack Ryder is a world title win away from hitting the Grand Slam.
Neither of them should be on Main Event.
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Post by nate5054 on Oct 27, 2018 10:11:40 GMT -5
If a tree drops in the forest, does Main Event still make a sound?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2018 11:05:29 GMT -5
Jinder is not particularly talented, but the company did everything it could to ensure that his reign was a bust. You can make a limited "look" guy work with the proper bells and whistles; hell, you can make just about ANYTHING work in professional wrestling, and Jinder already had an intriguing story to build on: Here's a former jobber bum who was released, busted his ass to transform himself, was rehired and pulled off the impossible. There's a solid foundation there, and a story that really hadn't been done.
They gave him the Singh brothers, who were mostly used as punching bags, when they should've been carrying most of the microphone work while Jinder Brock Lesnar'd in his gorgeous suits. But we got the "you people are racist" garbage repeated ad nauseam, which couldn't even get cheap heat because of Jinder's flaccid delivery. Then there's matches - Singh distraction, Khallas, repeat.
Everything that they could do wrong they did. It's funny that his reign was supposed to be for the big India thing when the writing reeked of disinterest and minimal effort.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2018 13:07:55 GMT -5
Jinder is not particularly talented, but the company did everything it could to ensure that his reign was a bust. You can make a limited "look" guy work with the proper bells and whistles; hell, you can make just about ANYTHING work in professional wrestling, and Jinder already had an intriguing story to build on: Here's a former jobber bum who was released, busted his ass to transform himself, was rehired and pulled off the impossible. There's a solid foundation there, and a story that really hadn't been done. They gave him the Singh brothers, who were mostly used as punching bags, when they should've been carrying most of the microphone work while Jinder Brock Lesnar'd in his gorgeous suits. But we got the "you people are racist" garbage repeated ad nauseam, which couldn't even get cheap heat because of Jinder's flaccid delivery. Then there's matches - Singh distraction, Khallas, repeat. Everything that they could do wrong they did. It's funny that his reign was supposed to be for the big India thing when the writing reeked of disinterest and minimal effort. Best thing about Jinder's reign was himself. He gained a character, he looked the part, acted like a 90s fighting game boss, he did well in the role. The problem is the company's booking to put him in that spot and how his matches were didn't help him out. Had they built him up for 6 months to a year there'd be less backlash. As for his matches, his matches with Styles were the only matches where he "made sense" and by that, just look at Jinder as a guy. He's big, has a little speed to him, has power and some technical moves. Look at his physique. You know who that sounds like to me?
He should have been wrestling Triple H's style. The issue is that they didn't have him doing that. In the AJ matches though, he was actually wrestling like that.
The big tall guy Jinder relentlessly beating down the smaller guy Styles. It worked well. When you've got a guy like Orton though, it doesn't work well given well, Orton's the kind of wrestler who's style doesn't work well against someone like Jinder when Orton is a face.
Regardless he put his heart into that gimmick. There's a reason why guys like Styles and Edge mentioned that Jinder did great in his title reign. Hell AJ was putting over Jinder in numerous interviews well after their feud was already done with. The problem is the company had Jinder fighting an uphill battle. He made the best out of it.
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Post by Gravedigger's Biscuits on Oct 27, 2018 13:16:42 GMT -5
It's a shame they spent all that time making him just to break him again. At least make him a mid-card jobber and not a jobber's jobber. Yeah, definitely this. It's a waste any time you've got a former WWE Champion doing jobs on C shows.
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Post by Schizo on Oct 27, 2018 13:29:55 GMT -5
All Iam going to say is everytime I see Zack Ryder's name I read it as Zack Snyder and thinking "when are they going to release the Ryder cut"
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2018 13:53:39 GMT -5
@kn Yeah, he started improving in-ring during the AJ feud, and they had some good matches together. Before that though? 90% punch/kick/resthold slogs. I never understood why he wasn't using any power moves - 80's juicers had a deeper repertoire. I'm not sure who to blame for that, to be honest.
I actually liked how they fast tracked him to the main event. It was genuinely surprising, and something I'd like to see done more.
I know the commentators mentioned it a fair bit, but his physique should have been an integral part of his character, as it was his greatest asset. You have to play to the strengths of your talent.
If you tell me Jinder is garbage.. Okay. I won't argue with you. But you have to acknowledge that the dude got no help whatsoever. A creative low point, for sure.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2018 14:07:22 GMT -5
@kn Yeah, he started improving in-ring during the AJ feud, and they had some good matches together. Before that though? 90% punch/kick/resthold slogs. I never understood why he wasn't using any power moves - 80's juicers had a deeper repertoire. I'm not sure who to blame for that, to be honest. I actually liked how they fast tracked him to the main event. It was genuinely surprising, and something I'd like to see done more. I know the commentators mentioned it a fair bit, but his physique should have been an integral part of his character, as it was his greatest asset. You have to play to the strengths of your talent. If you tell me Jinder is garbage.. Okay. I won't argue with you. But you have to acknowledge that the dude got no help whatsoever. A creative low point, for sure. Yep. I get a feeling that with AJ he and Jinder sat down and AJ said "listen, idk why they've been telling you to wrestle that way but wrestle this way and I'll react to it" and that's how he finally started getting on the right path with his style. While I like Jinder's character, there was something just "off" about his matches. Like it was like watching Rey Mysterio doing numerous vertical suplexes and power moves rather than his speed and agility. The thing about the Styles matches is that not only did he get his style down but AJ was selling like hell for the moves making Jinder look like a powerhouse. I know we joke about Road Dogg and his creative knowledge but shit, he should have known better. That was a slip up with Jinder's matches. He also rarely wrestled smaller dudes. It was just, nah that's not how you do it.
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