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Post by chrom on Oct 27, 2018 14:08:25 GMT -5
Use to, beating a former World Champ was a career changer.
Now, its as impressive as stomping a Goomba
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Post by Chainsaw on Oct 27, 2018 14:15:42 GMT -5
Honestly, Zack Ryder should have gotten the Jinder push. He too has transformed his physique quite a bit (not quite as dramatically as Jinder, but also looks to have done it...cleaner), but I wonder what Zack would do with a heel turn. If he could harness the bitterness from years of bumping on the glass ceiling, he'd be a tremendous heel. Honestly, if they gave him a heel "Zack Ryder Is Trash" gimmick, I'd be there for that.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2018 15:40:17 GMT -5
Jinder is not particularly talented, but the company did everything it could to ensure that his reign was a bust. You can make a limited "look" guy work with the proper bells and whistles; hell, you can make just about ANYTHING work in professional wrestling, and Jinder already had an intriguing story to build on: Here's a former jobber bum who was released, busted his ass to transform himself, was rehired and pulled off the impossible. There's a solid foundation there, and a story that really hadn't been done. They gave him the Singh brothers, who were mostly used as punching bags, when they should've been carrying most of the microphone work while Jinder Brock Lesnar'd in his gorgeous suits. But we got the "you people are racist" garbage repeated ad nauseam, which couldn't even get cheap heat because of Jinder's flaccid delivery. Then there's matches - Singh distraction, Khallas, repeat. Everything that they could do wrong they did. It's funny that his reign was supposed to be for the big India thing when the writing reeked of disinterest and minimal effort. Best thing about Jinder's reign was himself. He gained a character, he looked the part, acted like a 90s fighting game boss, he did well in the role. The problem is the company's booking to put him in that spot and how his matches were didn't help him out. Had they built him up for 6 months to a year there'd be less backlash. As for his matches, his matches with Styles were the only matches where he "made sense" and by that, just look at Jinder as a guy. He's big, has a little speed to him, has power and some technical moves. Look at his physique. You know who that sounds like to me?
He should have been wrestling Triple H's style. The issue is that they didn't have him doing that. In the AJ matches though, he was actually wrestling like that.
The big tall guy Jinder relentlessly beating down the smaller guy Styles. It worked well. When you've got a guy like Orton though, it doesn't work well given well, Orton's the kind of wrestler who's style doesn't well against someone like Jinder when Orton is a fact.
Regardless he put his heart into that gimmick. There's a reason why guys like Styles and Edge mentioned that Jinder did great in his title reign. Hell AJ was putting over Jinder in numerous interviews well after their feud was already done with. The problem is the company had Jinder fighting an uphill battle. He made the best out of it. I thought his matches with Orton were some of Randy’s best matches actually. This is coming from a guy that doesn’t rate Orton in the ring AT ALL. Dude puts me asleep most of the time.
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Post by Kyn on Oct 27, 2018 15:55:29 GMT -5
Jinder's rise was the last time WWE genuinely shocked me. So if nothing else, he proved WWE still has the ability to go in unexpected directions. If Jinder can get that high, it's not out of reach for anyone.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2018 16:01:27 GMT -5
Best thing about Jinder's reign was himself. He gained a character, he looked the part, acted like a 90s fighting game boss, he did well in the role. The problem is the company's booking to put him in that spot and how his matches were didn't help him out. Had they built him up for 6 months to a year there'd be less backlash. As for his matches, his matches with Styles were the only matches where he "made sense" and by that, just look at Jinder as a guy. He's big, has a little speed to him, has power and some technical moves. Look at his physique. You know who that sounds like to me?
He should have been wrestling Triple H's style. The issue is that they didn't have him doing that. In the AJ matches though, he was actually wrestling like that.
The big tall guy Jinder relentlessly beating down the smaller guy Styles. It worked well. When you've got a guy like Orton though, it doesn't work well given well, Orton's the kind of wrestler who's style doesn't well against someone like Jinder when Orton is a fact.
Regardless he put his heart into that gimmick. There's a reason why guys like Styles and Edge mentioned that Jinder did great in his title reign. Hell AJ was putting over Jinder in numerous interviews well after their feud was already done with. The problem is the company had Jinder fighting an uphill battle. He made the best out of it. I thought his matches with Orton were some of Randy’s best matches actually. This is coming from a guy that doesn’t rate Orton in the ring AT ALL. Dude puts me asleep most of the time. They weren't bad. They were just repetitive and their styles didn't work as well as they could have. Like when I look at their matches it was just the regular "guy vs guy with goons" trope. I didn't see see "style vs style" with them.
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Post by romanstylesiii on Oct 27, 2018 16:03:16 GMT -5
Jinder could have worked. Instead of a slow build, they just threw him to the wolves.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2018 17:51:15 GMT -5
Honestly at this point, they should have the Singh Bros turn face by beating his ass and at least give the tag division an extra team. Together they're actually weaker than 3MB ever was. Actually... Yeah, that would work. It'd still allow us the Orton murdering Singh Brothers running gag we know and love.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2018 17:53:01 GMT -5
The WWE Title still doesnt mean anything because of Mahal. I'd argue it more doesn't mean anything because it went to Cena for absolutely no reason, then to Bray for absolutely no reason, then to Orton for absolutely no reason, then to Jinder for his stupid thing, and ever since then AJ's basically exclusively defending it against guys who never win anything in underwhelming matches and did the same exact feud twice in the process, all while no matter what's surrounding it they absolutely refuse to put the belt in any sort of prominent position on PPVs. Think the problem with the belt goes pretty far beyond just Jinder's reign. It's on SmackDown. That's all you need to know. When the WWE Championship is on SmackDown, it was always treated as an afterthought if Triple H wasn't holding it.
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Post by spagett on Oct 27, 2018 19:06:16 GMT -5
I'd argue it more doesn't mean anything because it went to Cena for absolutely no reason, then to Bray for absolutely no reason, then to Orton for absolutely no reason, then to Jinder for his stupid thing, and ever since then AJ's basically exclusively defending it against guys who never win anything in underwhelming matches and did the same exact feud twice in the process, all while no matter what's surrounding it they absolutely refuse to put the belt in any sort of prominent position on PPVs. Think the problem with the belt goes pretty far beyond just Jinder's reign. It's on SmackDown. That's all you need to know. When the WWE Championship is on SmackDown, it was always treated as an afterthought if Triple H wasn't holding it. Brock Lesnar in 2002 to 2004? He's the only other time I can remember the WWE champion being on Smackdown and the WWE treated it as close to equal as the RAW world title. Although off the top of my head the only time I remember Brock closing out a both brands show was Wrestlemania 19. So maybe it wasn't treated great even then.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2018 20:54:12 GMT -5
It's on SmackDown. That's all you need to know. When the WWE Championship is on SmackDown, it was always treated as an afterthought if Triple H wasn't holding it. Brock Lesnar in 2002 to 2004? He's the only other time I can remember the WWE champion being on Smackdown and the WWE treated it as close to equal as the RAW world title. Although off the top of my head the only time I remember Brock closing out a both brands show was Wrestlemania 19. So maybe it wasn't treated great even then. As soon as RAW introduced the World Heavyweight Championship, that main evented, or was featured in the main event, of the dual brand PPVs until 2005. I mean, let's look at the three times the WWE Championship was exclusive to SmackDown; from August of 2002 to June of 2005, from April of 2008 to May of 2009, and from June 2016 to the present; virtually no show, besides the 2008 PPVs when Triple H was either champion of part of the title match, closed out with a WWE Championship match (and I say virtually because Judgment Day 2003 had Lesnar/Big Show). So, basically, when RAW has a championship, it'll always be a top priority, and when SmackDown has a championship, you see a lot of dodgy people holding the top belt.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2018 10:09:08 GMT -5
I thought his matches with Orton were some of Randy’s best matches actually. This is coming from a guy that doesn’t rate Orton in the ring AT ALL. Dude puts me asleep most of the time. They weren't bad. They were just repetitive and their styles didn't work as well as they could have. Like when I look at their matches it was just the regular "guy vs guy with goons" trope. I didn't see see "style vs style" with them. This back and forth is beautiful to me haha I love seeing dude get defended. I don't think he'll ever win that title again, but he's not some lost cause either.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2018 10:40:37 GMT -5
They weren't bad. They were just repetitive and their styles didn't work as well as they could have. Like when I look at their matches it was just the regular "guy vs guy with goons" trope. I didn't see see "style vs style" with them. This back and forth is beautiful to me haha I love seeing dude get defended. I don't think he'll ever win that title again, but he's not some lost cause either. Yeah he will rise up as a mdicarder again. Probably soon tbh.
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Post by Hobby Drifter on Oct 28, 2018 10:56:38 GMT -5
In hindsight, giving Ryder the belt probably would have been much better received.
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