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Post by sfvega on Feb 28, 2019 18:46:41 GMT -5
You can only live in the glow of 10, 12, 14 for so many years. Horrible team with a horrible farm system that can’t sign any free agents that matter. Times are tough. Times will be tougher when the ballpark is empty in May. Farm systems can turn around relatively quickly. Houston went from below-middling to bonkers in 3 years.
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Post by fw91 on Feb 28, 2019 18:53:44 GMT -5
You can only live in the glow of 10, 12, 14 for so many years. Lol it’s only been 4 years since the last one. You poor thing haha
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Feb 28, 2019 19:03:39 GMT -5
You can only live in the glow of 10, 12, 14 for so many years. Horrible team with a horrible farm system that can’t sign any free agents that matter. Times are tough. Times will be tougher when the ballpark is empty in May. No disrespect but you def being a big Homer right now
Giants did not go into this offseason saying Harper or bust. They saw an opportunity and went for it but ultimately they were most likely a bargaining tool
The last championship was 2014 and they started this decade with a championship. Winning 3 titles in the first half of the decade and they still have more titles than the other teams will have the most unless Red Sox wins another world title this year
Farm systems can turn around real fast so a bad farm system now doesn't mean it will be bad 5 years from now
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Post by Cyno on Feb 28, 2019 19:06:54 GMT -5
You can only live in the glow of 10, 12, 14 for so many years. Horrible team with a horrible farm system that can’t sign any free agents that matter. Times are tough. Times will be tougher when the ballpark is empty in May. And I thought Yankees and Red Sox fans were bad.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Feb 28, 2019 19:08:51 GMT -5
The AAV wasn’t the aim. They wanted to surpass the machado deal in years and money and they did that so it’s a win for Boras That is a win for the Phillies too though in a lot of ways. For a guy who was 2 or 3 years ago supposed to get 400 mil according to everyone, taking a deal worth 25 mil a year on average, and which was almost identical to Stanton's numbers and not incredibly far off from that 10/300 Nats offered him. Especially if the deal doesn't pay him trash those last few seasons, I'd much rather be getting value on a prime Bryce and be able to have some wiggle room than it be frontloaded and paying him peanuts in his twilight years. In the end while i'm not crazy about the years, it's a win for Philly in regards to Machado being fully committed with no opt outs and you're hoping to get 8 years of great value out of the 13
If the contract isn't frontloaded than the $25 million a year is nowhere near a killer and they can still fill in the holes. They still have money to get pitching and if anything got the farm system to make a trade so they have all the pieces to make a run at a chip for the 8 years
The team itself right now is constructed for at least 3 years and not in danger of losing anyone big
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Feb 28, 2019 19:09:47 GMT -5
NL East is going to be a dog race this year
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Post by Seth Drakin of Monster Crap on Feb 28, 2019 19:11:22 GMT -5
That is a win for the Phillies too though in a lot of ways. For a guy who was 2 or 3 years ago supposed to get 400 mil according to everyone, taking a deal worth 25 mil a year on average, and which was almost identical to Stanton's numbers and not incredibly far off from that 10/300 Nats offered him. Especially if the deal doesn't pay him trash those last few seasons, I'd much rather be getting value on a prime Bryce and be able to have some wiggle room than it be frontloaded and paying him peanuts in his twilight years. In the end while i'm not crazy about the years, it's a win for Philly in regards to Machado being fully committed with no opt outs and you're hoping to get 8 years of great value out of the 13 If the contract isn't frontloaded than the $25 million a year is nowhere near a killer and they can still fill in the holes. They still have money to get pitching and if anything got the farm system to make a trade so they have all the pieces to make a run at a chip for the 8 years
The team itself right now is constructed for at least 3 years and not in danger of losing anyone big
You also can't opt out with Harper either unless you want to eat it with the rest of the salary.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Feb 28, 2019 19:16:53 GMT -5
In the end while i'm not crazy about the years, it's a win for Philly in regards to Machado being fully committed with no opt outs and you're hoping to get 8 years of great value out of the 13 If the contract isn't frontloaded than the $25 million a year is nowhere near a killer and they can still fill in the holes. They still have money to get pitching and if anything got the farm system to make a trade so they have all the pieces to make a run at a chip for the 8 years
The team itself right now is constructed for at least 3 years and not in danger of losing anyone big
You also can't opt out with Harper either unless you want to eat it with the rest of the salary. This is a scenario where i'm sure they are comfortable with the 8 years of production and potential championships and be willing to eat the shit that comes with ages 35-38.
Right now their biggest concerns are probably how soon will they want to move him to 1B because no way he last those 13 years in the OF
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Post by Seth Drakin of Monster Crap on Feb 28, 2019 19:21:17 GMT -5
You also can't opt out with Harper either unless you want to eat it with the rest of the salary. This is a scenario where i'm sure they are comfortable with the 8 years of production and potential championships and be willing to eat the shit that comes with ages 35-38.
Right now their biggest concerns are probably how soon will they want to move him to 1B because no way he last those 13 years in the OF
They try that, he'll go out like Griffey in Cincy
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Feb 28, 2019 19:24:23 GMT -5
Dodgers supposedly offered Bryce around $45 million a year for 4 years
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Post by The Last Hero on Feb 28, 2019 19:30:17 GMT -5
You also can't opt out with Harper either unless you want to eat it with the rest of the salary. This is a scenario where i'm sure they are comfortable with the 8 years of production and potential championships and be willing to eat the shit that comes with ages 35-38.
Right now their biggest concerns are probably how soon will they want to move him to 1B because no way he last those 13 years in the OF
I honestly think there is a chance the NL gets the DH in a couple of years. The next CBA is going to be really interesting.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Feb 28, 2019 19:35:59 GMT -5
This is a scenario where i'm sure they are comfortable with the 8 years of production and potential championships and be willing to eat the shit that comes with ages 35-38.
Right now their biggest concerns are probably how soon will they want to move him to 1B because no way he last those 13 years in the OF
I honestly think there is a chance the NL gets the DH in a couple of years. The next CBA is going to be really interesting. That would probably be best case scenario to give him and Hoskins a turn between the DH spots tho that's obviously projecting 4-5 years ahead in regards to Harper switching positions
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Post by Mecca on Feb 28, 2019 20:06:28 GMT -5
The DH likely is coming in the NL but even if it doesn't he can play 1B at the end of the deal. Anyway if you believe in War=money..Bryce Harper may give the Phillies their value of that contract in the first 6 years...then you basically get the rest for free.
It's a huge win for the Phillies, huge.
Also for throwing his numbers, he goes from Washington one of the 5 worst parks for left handed hitters to Philly one of the best...his career average there is 300 over 50 games..
His numbers are going up, that stadium is better for him.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2019 20:12:40 GMT -5
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Post by The Last Hero on Feb 28, 2019 20:26:01 GMT -5
The DH likely is coming in the NL but even if it doesn't he can play 1B at the end of the deal. Anyway if you believe in War=money..Bryce Harper may give the Phillies their value of that contract in the first 6 years...then you basically get the rest for free. It's a huge win for the Phillies, huge. Also for throwing his numbers, he goes from Washington one of the 5 worst parks for left handed hitters to Philly one of the best...his career average there is 300 over 50 games.. His numbers are going up, that stadium is better for him. Odubel Hererra and Maikel Franco used to hit 3-4 in our lineup...now they could be hitting 7 & 8. If you're a fan of the Phillies this team should be fun to watch. Last year was an improvement in watch-ability from the last few years, sure, but if this team plays up to its potential? Great baseball.
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Post by Seth Drakin of Monster Crap on Feb 28, 2019 20:37:20 GMT -5
The DH likely is coming in the NL but even if it doesn't he can play 1B at the end of the deal. Anyway if you believe in War=money..Bryce Harper may give the Phillies their value of that contract in the first 6 years...then you basically get the rest for free. It's a huge win for the Phillies, huge. Also for throwing his numbers, he goes from Washington one of the 5 worst parks for left handed hitters to Philly one of the best...his career average there is 300 over 50 games.. His numbers are going up, that stadium is better for him. Odubel Hererra and Maikel Franco used to hit 3-4 in our lineup...now they could be hitting 7 & 8. If you're a fan of the Phillies this team should be fun to watch. Last year was an improvement in watch-ability from the last few years, sure, but if this team plays up to its potential? Great baseball. Fun to watch and good are two different things....I've been in the DC area and we know about "fun to watch". Just being fun to watch gets you a choke job.
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Post by The Last Hero on Feb 28, 2019 20:51:49 GMT -5
Odubel Hererra and Maikel Franco used to hit 3-4 in our lineup...now they could be hitting 7 & 8. If you're a fan of the Phillies this team should be fun to watch. Last year was an improvement in watch-ability from the last few years, sure, but if this team plays up to its potential? Great baseball. Fun to watch and good are two different things....I've been in the DC area and we know about "fun to watch". Just being fun to watch gets you a choke job. Uh, ok. This team is vastly improved on paper, I'm not booking anything for the Phillies, but they have a realistic chance now to play in the postseason. That was definitely the goal of the off season. Now we just gotta see how things work out. If they don't pan out, that will be a shame but at least the owner and management tried their best to put a winning team on the field.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Feb 28, 2019 21:11:38 GMT -5
Fun to watch and good are two different things....I've been in the DC area and we know about "fun to watch". Just being fun to watch gets you a choke job. Uh, ok. This team is vastly improved on paper, I'm not booking anything for the Phillies, but they have a realistic chance now to play in the postseason. That was definitely the goal of the off season. Now we just gotta see how things work out. If they don't pan out, that will be a shame but at least the owner and management tried their best to put a winning team on the field. People are def going to be screaming for them as title contenders but they will have wiggle room this year due to the NL East being a beast. Nats got the pitching, ATL is young and good, Philly has a well rounded team with a crazy line up and Mets have great pitching and if get a little offense they will be good
Come this time next year, Philly will be on the clock for "World Series" or bust but as much as Philly has improved this year and are the favorites in the division now, that division is still going to be insane and Philly will def need another top pitcher at some point
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Post by The Last Hero on Feb 28, 2019 21:18:35 GMT -5
Uh, ok. This team is vastly improved on paper, I'm not booking anything for the Phillies, but they have a realistic chance now to play in the postseason. That was definitely the goal of the off season. Now we just gotta see how things work out. If they don't pan out, that will be a shame but at least the owner and management tried their best to put a winning team on the field. People are def going to be screaming for them as title contenders but they will have wiggle room this year due to the NL East being a beast. Nats got the pitching, ATL is young and good, Philly has a well rounded team with a crazy line up and Mets have great pitching and if get a little offense they will be good Come this time next year, Philly will be on the clock for "World Series" or bust but as much as Philly has improved this year and are the favorites in the division now, that division is still going to be insane and Philly will def need another top pitcher at some point
One of Pivetta, Eflin, Velazquez really needs to make some strides this year.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Feb 28, 2019 21:22:11 GMT -5
People are def going to be screaming for them as title contenders but they will have wiggle room this year due to the NL East being a beast. Nats got the pitching, ATL is young and good, Philly has a well rounded team with a crazy line up and Mets have great pitching and if get a little offense they will be good Come this time next year, Philly will be on the clock for "World Series" or bust but as much as Philly has improved this year and are the favorites in the division now, that division is still going to be insane and Philly will def need another top pitcher at some point
One of Pivetta, Eflin, Velazquez really needs to make some strides this year. Luckily for Philly they still got good prospects and won't be surprised if they are the ones to grab Kluber from the Indians or even Kluber and Bauer (assuming he has a real good season again)
Always "lower options" like Marcus Stroman to consider too but I still think they grab someone else whether it be Kimbrel or Keuchel
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