More of a sudden rise in fame Daisy Duck or Lola Bunny?

[horsemen4ever]

I am thinking in about the last 2o years give or take, a couple of characters status as being part of an important player in a cartoon studios universe has gone up greatly. The characters in question are Daisy Duck and Lola Bunny.

Lola was created for a movie, yet they felt she had to be included in all Looney Tunes related projects like Baby Looney Tunes or the Looney Tunes Show as if she was an Looney Tunes that excisted since the 1940's, that is a narrative I am getting.

Meanwhile Daisy, there is a narrative is on par with caracters like Minnie, and Goofy as a big part of the Mickey Mouse universe, she is Minnie's best friend, and the narrative that has been the case for a long time, in reality no, that is very new. That something that started about 20 years ago in House of Mouse. I remember when Quack Pack announced, there were kids who literally never heard of Daisy. But now look at Daisy in role in Disney? In the classic days, she was an exclussive part of the Donald Duck universe, she never interacted with Mickey and the gang, not counting cameos of course.

Who had a more fast rise to fame and importance? I don't know, Daisy at the very least been around since 1940 (or 1936 depending on what side of the fense you are if Donna Duck and Daisy are the same person or not), if you were a big fan of Donald Duck, and his cartoons shorts and his comics, you know of her, so her being a big part of Mickey's gang is not that outragious, while Lola dd not exist at all till 1996.

And I am not bashing or hating on these characters, I am more fasinated, how they can be inserted into long lasting universes that predates them. Especially Lola.

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i have no idea what your getting at here but whatever you are on i want some

[Joe Neglia]

Nov 23, 2018 0:06:12 GMT -5 horsemen4ever said:

Meanwhile Daisy, there is a narrative is on par with caracters like Minnie, and Goofy as a big part of the Mickey Mouse universe, she is Minnie's best friend, and the narrative that has been the case for a long time, in reality no, that is very new. That something that started about 20 years ago in House of Mouse. I remember when Quack Pack announced, there were kids who literally never heard of Daisy. But now look at Daisy in role in Disney? In the classic days, she was an exclussive part of the Donald Duck universe, she never interacted with Mickey and the gang, not counting cameos of course.

Incredibly faulty thinking throughout this. Daisy was not an "exclusive" part of the Donald Duck universe. That's like saying Minnie Mouse was exclusive to the "Mickey Mouse" universe because she didn't appear in any Donald Duck or Goofy cartoons. They presented her as part of the overall Disney cast everywhere except the shorts, and the same argument you're giving for her can be applied to not only Minnie, but the three nephews and a host of other characters that only appeared in one of the various sub-lines of Disney shorts. She's fully integrated into the merchandise from the 1950s on, and almost nothing that Mickey, Donald and Minnie all show up on is missing Daisy.

Daisy is and has been well-known for almost a century. The Whitman Comics series Daisy & Donald lasted 10 years and 58 issues from 1974 to 1983. At least four issues of the classic Dell Four Color series were devoted to the Daisy Duck's Diary series, spread out over 1950s. Her popularity certainly saw ebbs and flows, but to say the character's fame was a sudden rise is not really accurate.

[Seth Drakin of Monster Crap]

In a bit of irony, Bugs has had several female bunny counterparts before Lola, but for some reason....Lola was the one that stuck.

[Cranjis McBasketball]

Did you ever find Bugs Bunny attractive when he’d dress up and play a girl bunny?

[Joe Neglia]

Nov 23, 2018 3:06:14 GMT -5 Cranjis McBasketball said:

Did you ever find Bugs Bunny attractive when he’d dress up and play a girl bunny?

No, but there was that time he tricked Elmer into dressing up...

[Big DSR Energy]

[horsemen4ever]

Nov 23, 2018 0:38:22 GMT -5 Joe Neglia said:

Nov 23, 2018 0:06:12 GMT -5 horsemen4ever said:

Meanwhile Daisy, there is a narrative is on par with caracters like Minnie, and Goofy as a big part of the Mickey Mouse universe, she is Minnie's best friend, and the narrative that has been the case for a long time, in reality no, that is very new. That something that started about 20 years ago in House of Mouse. I remember when Quack Pack announced, there were kids who literally never heard of Daisy. But now look at Daisy in role in Disney? In the classic days, she was an exclussive part of the Donald Duck universe, she never interacted with Mickey and the gang, not counting cameos of course.

Incredibly faulty thinking throughout this. Daisy was not an "exclusive" part of the Donald Duck universe. That's like saying Minnie Mouse was exclusive to the "Mickey Mouse" universe because she didn't appear in any Donald Duck or Goofy cartoons. They presented her as part of the overall Disney cast everywhere except the shorts, and the same argument you're giving for her can be applied to not only Minnie, but the three nephews and a host of other characters that only appeared in one of the various sub-lines of Disney shorts. She's fully integrated into the merchandise from the 1950s on, and almost nothing that Mickey, Donald and Minnie all show up on is missing Daisy.

Daisy is and has been well-known for almost a century. The Whitman Comics series Daisy & Donald lasted 10 years and 58 issues from 1974 to 1983. At least four issues of the classic Dell Four Color series were devoted to the Daisy Duck's Diary series, spread out over 1950s. Her popularity certainly saw ebbs and flows, but to say the character's fame was a sudden rise is not really accurate.

I guess so, you are entitled to your opinion. Though tell that to the kids who never heard of Daisy circa 1996 when Quack Pack was announced. The Minnie comparison I disagree I bit, in while it is true Minnie didn't appear in Donald Duck and Goofy, she didn't need to because she interacted with them in Mickey Mouse cartoons.

I am a big Donald Duck mark, so maybe it is hard to judge what the casual person who wasn't a Donald Duck mark knew of his supporting cast.

At the very least, Minnie and Daisy being BFFs, that is a a new thing, you can't argue that.

[horsemen4ever]

Nov 23, 2018 1:11:14 GMT -5 Seth Drakin of Monster Crap said:

In a bit of irony, Bugs has had several female bunny counterparts before Lola, but for some reason....Lola was the one that stuck.

I got a theory on that, Lola was introduced in the generation that had Tiny Toons Adventures introduce the concept of a female rabbit counterpart to the male rabbit and were willing to accept it. In other words, Babs Bunny opened the door for Lola.

[Joe Neglia]

Nov 23, 2018 6:29:00 GMT -5 horsemen4ever said:

I guess so, you are entitled to your opinion. Though tell that to the kids who never heard of Daisy circa 1996 when Quack Pack was announced. The Minnie comparison I disagree I bit, in while it is true Minnie didn't appear in Donald Duck and Goofy, she didn't need to because she interacted with them in Mickey Mouse cartoons.

I'm curious...which of the old Mickey Mouse shorts were Donald, Goofy and Minnie all in? Or even Minnie and either of the two?

[horsemen4ever]

Nov 23, 2018 11:24:24 GMT -5 Joe Neglia said:

Nov 23, 2018 6:29:00 GMT -5 horsemen4ever said:

I guess so, you are entitled to your opinion. Though tell that to the kids who never heard of Daisy circa 1996 when Quack Pack was announced. The Minnie comparison I disagree I bit, in while it is true Minnie didn't appear in Donald Duck and Goofy, she didn't need to because she interacted with them in Mickey Mouse cartoons.

I'm curious...which of the old Mickey Mouse shorts were Donald, Goofy and Minnie all in? Or even Minnie and either of the two?

You know what I could have srown she was in the shorts with the orphans and the shorts Mickey and the gang put on a show, but upon she is not, Donald and Goofy were not at Mickey's Birthday Party, you know I just remembered that way.

I guess what you remember from your childhood is different from reality. I always knew Donald was good at it in the classic days, I guess Mickey was also good at keeping his world's seperate in the classic days if I can use that Seinfeld reference.

[BayleyTiffyCodyCenaJudyHopps]

It took a while for Lola to find her niche. When Space Jam came out her character was basically “cute but tough love interest who can play ball.” The comics had her delivering pizzas before Looney Tunes Show reimagined her as a more “looney” stalker of Bugs, and then she became truly funny.

[Mr PONYMANIA Mr Jenzie]

loved this, saw it three times

ironically have NOT SEEN space jam yet
even having the movie on VHS!

is that bad?

[Dr. T is an alien]

Nov 23, 2018 6:29:00 GMT -5 horsemen4ever said:

Nov 23, 2018 0:38:22 GMT -5 Joe Neglia said:

Incredibly faulty thinking throughout this. Daisy was not an "exclusive" part of the Donald Duck universe. That's like saying Minnie Mouse was exclusive to the "Mickey Mouse" universe because she didn't appear in any Donald Duck or Goofy cartoons. They presented her as part of the overall Disney cast everywhere except the shorts, and the same argument you're giving for her can be applied to not only Minnie, but the three nephews and a host of other characters that only appeared in one of the various sub-lines of Disney shorts. She's fully integrated into the merchandise from the 1950s on, and almost nothing that Mickey, Donald and Minnie all show up on is missing Daisy.

Daisy is and has been well-known for almost a century. The Whitman Comics series Daisy & Donald lasted 10 years and 58 issues from 1974 to 1983. At least four issues of the classic Dell Four Color series were devoted to the Daisy Duck's Diary series, spread out over 1950s. Her popularity certainly saw ebbs and flows, but to say the character's fame was a sudden rise is not really accurate.

I guess so, you are entitled to your opinion. Though tell that to the kids who never heard of Daisy circa 1996 when Quack Pack was announced. The Minnie comparison I disagree I bit, in while it is true Minnie didn't appear in Donald Duck and Goofy, she didn't need to because she interacted with them in Mickey Mouse cartoons.

I am a big Donald Duck mark, so maybe it is hard to judge what the casual person who wasn't a Donald Duck mark knew of his supporting cast.

At the very least, Minnie and Daisy being BFFs, that is a a new thing, you can't argue that.

I disagree wholeheartedly. Even casual viewers of Donald Duck had to know about Daisy Duck. She had appeared in tons of animated shorts with Donald (enough that when Disney released their collection tapes in the early 80's Daisy had her own dedicated collection) as well as many shorts on the Mickey Mouse Club. She had also appeared in thousands of daily comics and monthly comic books (including a few runs with her own comics). She had also appeared in some movies with the rest of the Disney cast. She has been well known for many years.

Speaking of characters in the Donald Duck sphere of storytelling, how do you account for no one being taken aback when DuckTales featured Scrooge McDuck as the great-uncle of Huey, Dewey, and Louie and the uncle of Donald Duck? After all, prior to that he had only appeared in one or two shorts, some segments of the Mickey Mouse Club, and was the featured character in Mickey's Christmas Carol (in which he played a character that still was the uncle of Donald's character but had nothing to do with the triplets and even was the ex-boyfriend of Daisy's character whom he visited with the Ghost of Christmas Past). You might have been able to count on one hand the number of animated references over the 40 years of the character's existence before the show in which Scrooge is shown to be related to any of them, let alone the triplets. Why wasn't anyone thrown by that?

No one was thrown by it because he was (and continues to be) a major character in the Disney comics and their kids' books series. Despite hardly ever having their relationship televised, nearly every kid knew Scrooge McDuck was related to Donald and the triplets.

What's more, Mickey, Donald, and Goofy were in many animated shorts through the years. Sometimes they were roommates. Sometimes they were business partners. It's silly to think that their associated characters would have nothing to do with each other when they frequently enough did. In fact, each of them had animated shorts where they were rivals of Pete (my favorite is where Donald and Pete are feuding neighbors to the degree that their feud draws spectators, though the WW2 shorts where Pete is Donald's superior are also great). That means that characters in each characters' series can and do exist in the others and are probably friends like Mickey, Donald, and Goofy were (though Mickey and Donald have a friendly rivalry going as well).

[Joe Neglia]

Nov 23, 2018 11:57:50 GMT -5 horsemen4ever said:

Nov 23, 2018 11:24:24 GMT -5 Joe Neglia said:

I'm curious...which of the old Mickey Mouse shorts were Donald, Goofy and Minnie all in? Or even Minnie and either of the two?

You know what I could have srown she was in the shorts with the orphans and the shorts Mickey and the gang put on a show, but upon she is not, Donald and Goofy were not at Mickey's Birthday Party, you know I just remembered that way.

I guess what you remember from your childhood is different from reality. I always knew Donald was good at it in the classic days, I guess Mickey was also good at keeping his world's seperate in the classic days if I can use that Seinfeld reference.

The way the old shorts worked (the ones regarding Donald, Goofy, and Mickey) is that they were split into four groups. The "Mickey" cartoons only used his cast (Minnie, Pluto), the Donald cartoons only his (Huey Dewey Louie, Daisy) and Goofy usually just had a bunch of Goofy(s) in them. The fourth series was the team-ups for all three, but none of their supporting casts were in these, which the occasional exception of Pluto)

BTW, here's a page from a 1955 Little Golden Book:

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Horace Horsecollar sounds like the name of a dirty player in that one Goofy football cartoon.

[Joe Neglia]

Nov 23, 2018 22:36:40 GMT -5 @irontyger said:

Horace Horsecollar sounds like the name of a dirty player in that one Goofy football cartoon.

This was Horace. He and Clarabelle were intended to be a new set of spin-off characters but didn't take off. Nowadays, Clarabelle still turns up here and there, but Horace never really made it out of the b&w era (though I just read he's been used in some of the new theatrical shorts). He was actually set for his own Disney Afternoon show, in which his absence from the Disneyverse was going to be explained as his having been abducted by aliens to help them, believing him to be a mighty hero based on the movies of his they've seen.

That's right, Galaxy Quest before Galaxy Quest. Or Three Amigos. One of those.

[ERON]

I had a VHS tape as a kid with a short where Mickey, Minnie, Donald, and Goofy were all together in Hawaii. According to Wikipedia, it was called Hawaiian Holiday and came out in 1937. I never really thought about it until now, but that might very well be the only classic short where all four of them appeared together.

[lildude8218]

I was at Magic Kingdom a few months back just kinda people watching in Frontierland when all of a sudden a whole bunch of characters came out. 2 of the Country Bears, Br'er Rabbit and Br'er Bear, and to my surprise Horace Horsecollar and Clarabelle Cow. I couldn't believe it. They're usually never out and about.





They proceeded to do this huge dance party with people to the song "If You're Happy and You Know It"

[SmashTV]

Nov 23, 2018 3:12:23 GMT -5 Joe Neglia said:

Nov 23, 2018 3:06:14 GMT -5 Cranjis McBasketball said:

Did you ever find Bugs Bunny attractive when he’d dress up and play a girl bunny?

No, but there was that time he tricked Elmer into dressing up...

Elmer here genuinely looks like a boss I had some eight years ago. Mind you, she was quite a 'sturdy' woman and also reminded me slightly of Ludo from 'Labyrinth'.