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Post by Nosnorb on Dec 23, 2018 14:45:17 GMT -5
In todays WWE, Steve Austin would probably have blown 4 shots at the Fruit Roll-Up and have been the subject of multiple heel beatdowns. That would be the main problem right there.
Hell, he would probably have a "Steve Austin is a bitch" thread on this forum.
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Post by MAD TITAN on Dec 23, 2018 16:16:00 GMT -5
Has OP watched other television besides WWE for the past 10 years?
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Post by dav on Dec 23, 2018 20:55:37 GMT -5
Can we please stop pretending being offended is a new invention? It isn't but you can't deny it's gotten completely out of control the past few yrs. As opposed to forty years ago when someone was arrested on obscenity charges for selling an album with a slang word for testicles in the title? People have always gotten offended. That shit ain't new. |
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Post by romanstylesiii on Dec 23, 2018 21:36:22 GMT -5
All things considered, Austin was one of the tamer things of that era. He hated the sexual aspect of that era, and stayed away from it.
The only thing that would not fly is beating Lita with a chair
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Post by Fade on Dec 23, 2018 21:52:22 GMT -5
I can see online fans calling him a “try-hard”.
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Post by Toilet Paper Roll on Dec 23, 2018 22:10:17 GMT -5
People have ALWAYS feigned being offended because they feel it gives them some moral high ground. They're not actually offended, they just want people to think they are, and that they should be as well.
Of course theres times people cross a line and something is obviously in bad taste, but people usually aren't curling up in a corner crying because they heard or saw something they don't like.
But with social media, everybody has the ability to share their opinions with the masses for better or worse. People aren't complaining more, their complaints are just being heard more.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2018 22:34:01 GMT -5
Not at all if he was around now he’d be saying Bitch a lot.
One thing that people seem to misremember is that when they started pushing Austin from fall 96 thru early summer 97 the fans were not ready for a character like Austin’s unless they were in New York or Chicago he was struggling to get a face pop even post mania 13 when he’s clearly being pushed as a face fans reacted to him like a heel and when he did segment where he faced off with HBK,Taker and even Shamrock he’s getting booed that showed how much of a great job Bret Hart did turning heel because so many of wwf’s crowds at that time weren’t ready for a fouled mouthed babyface like Austin he got there but it took some work.A lot of people think Mania 13 happened and then he was this huge babyface and that just did not happen.
Even back during that era you were always getting stories like “wwf and stone cold are vulgar” but people complained about that type of stuff in every era on all forms of entertainment.
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Post by benstudd on Dec 23, 2018 22:47:12 GMT -5
I almost went in this direction on my first post but I was really, really hoping this nonsense wouldn't happen and we could just have a nice discussion, but clearly it's gone down the expected road so no I guess we're doing it then. Fine, let's play The Offended Pussy Boogeyman game again, here's the long form dispelling of all this nonsense before it goes too much further because maybe if we put a stop to this before page one it's gonna be okay. Gonna make this super clear here: people are not offended like you think they are and if you think Steve Austin is going to make people run to their "safe space" then you both don't know what that means and have been tricked by outrage mongers whose livelihood depends on convincing you that people you disagree with are bad. Game of Thrones gets four times the ratings WWE does and it is a show so rapey that it actually makes sex scenes from the book that were originally consensual less consensual in the show. And it's received criticism for that. It's still on TV. Still pulling in 10 million viewers. Still a major thing people talk about. If THE SJWS held some kind of immense power and influence over entertainment that wouldn't be happening. There is a cottage industry of Youtube personalities and news article headlines written for articles the writers know people won't actually read on through for context that is built around the idea that there's this whole group of people who are easily offended scream babies yelling about everything. Who take half-understood or out of context tidbits and blow them up, who take one single kinda dumb tweet written by one person out of millions of internet users and then applies it broadly as an ideological principle to an entire segment of the political spectrum. I have witnessed with my own eyes on this very board threads wherein people pre-empted the offense of others with complaints about how everyone is easily offended when nobody in the thread was actually being offended. Who just wanted to post and let everyone know they were above it all and judging all the sensitive babies like it was going to impress someone. It seems to me that the people eager to complain about how everyone wants to be offended these days want people to be offended and want everyoen to know that they personally think it's bad people are so easily offended. Who take any criticism as outrage and complain about echo chambers from a weird perpetual feedback loop of complaining to each other about how easily offended everyone is. There's no glory in propping up an army of strawmen to try and position yourself as better than. Steve Austin says "Shitman" and that's going to offend modern audiences? That's nonsense. People crying and running to their safe spaces? Pure goddamn nonsense. It's all empty nonsense meant to puff yourself up, and it exposes a malformed worldview removed from anything real or understandable. If you're going to throw yourself onto your sword at the idea that someone might theoretically become upset because of something you like, and that has to reflect on the world and its woes then sorry to say it but its your sensibilities that are the delicate ones. Don't want to hear anything about facts over feelings if you're overlooking the facts raised about swearing and rating in this thread to complain about your feelings about people getting offended. Game of Thrones is one thing but if we look by how the WWE crowds are these days on these shows where it's more families with kids. And it's not family with kids from 1996 either. It's families with a more pampered generation of kids shielded by things a little too graphic(anyway the families that I know from around me). Not to mention the actual current content of what the WWE present as something more sanitized. I'm not sure by sending someone like Stone Cold in there cold would generate the desired effect. And I've seen times in wrestling over the years at inklings of the change of audience by their reactions. Hell I've seen things that were booed that 6 years earlier would have been cheered. I still maintain that the Ambrose turn would have been cheered in 1997. I think a Austin-type might be successful but it would take a lot of groundwork to make it happen and change everything. The whole WWE audience would have to be replaced by another. But Vince doesn't want that. They are where he likes them to be. With the whole "we are fighting for causes" thing and elevation of Steph. It's a cold, safe and corporate product and Vince wants it that way. It's started with Cena and on. |
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Dec 23, 2018 22:57:17 GMT -5
I almost went in this direction on my first post but I was really, really hoping this nonsense wouldn't happen and we could just have a nice discussion, but clearly it's gone down the expected road so no I guess we're doing it then. Fine, let's play The Offended Pussy Boogeyman game again, here's the long form dispelling of all this nonsense before it goes too much further because maybe if we put a stop to this before page one it's gonna be okay. Gonna make this super clear here: people are not offended like you think they are and if you think Steve Austin is going to make people run to their "safe space" then you both don't know what that means and have been tricked by outrage mongers whose livelihood depends on convincing you that people you disagree with are bad. Game of Thrones gets four times the ratings WWE does and it is a show so rapey that it actually makes sex scenes from the book that were originally consensual less consensual in the show. And it's received criticism for that. It's still on TV. Still pulling in 10 million viewers. Still a major thing people talk about. If THE SJWS held some kind of immense power and influence over entertainment that wouldn't be happening. There is a cottage industry of Youtube personalities and news article headlines written for articles the writers know people won't actually read on through for context that is built around the idea that there's this whole group of people who are easily offended scream babies yelling about everything. Who take half-understood or out of context tidbits and blow them up, who take one single kinda dumb tweet written by one person out of millions of internet users and then applies it broadly as an ideological principle to an entire segment of the political spectrum. I have witnessed with my own eyes on this very board threads wherein people pre-empted the offense of others with complaints about how everyone is easily offended when nobody in the thread was actually being offended. Who just wanted to post and let everyone know they were above it all and judging all the sensitive babies like it was going to impress someone. It seems to me that the people eager to complain about how everyone wants to be offended these days want people to be offended and want everyoen to know that they personally think it's bad people are so easily offended. Who take any criticism as outrage and complain about echo chambers from a weird perpetual feedback loop of complaining to each other about how easily offended everyone is. There's no glory in propping up an army of strawmen to try and position yourself as better than. Steve Austin says "Shitman" and that's going to offend modern audiences? That's nonsense. People crying and running to their safe spaces? Pure goddamn nonsense. It's all empty nonsense meant to puff yourself up, and it exposes a malformed worldview removed from anything real or understandable. If you're going to throw yourself onto your sword at the idea that someone might theoretically become upset because of something you like, and that has to reflect on the world and its woes then sorry to say it but its your sensibilities that are the delicate ones. Don't want to hear anything about facts over feelings if you're overlooking the facts raised about swearing and rating in this thread to complain about your feelings about people getting offended. Game of Thrones is one thing but if we look by how the WWE crowds are these days on these shows where it's more families with kids. And it's not family with kids from 1996 either. It's families with a more pampered generation of kids shielded by things a little too graphic(anyway the families that I know from around me). Not to mention the actual current content of what the WWE present as something more sanitized. I'm not sure by sending someone like Stone Cold in there cold would generate the desired effect. And I've seen times in wrestling over the years at inklings of the change of audience by their reactions. Hell I've seen things that were booed that 6 years earlier would have been cheered. I still maintain that the Ambrose turn would have been cheered in 1997. I think a Austin-type might be successful but it would take a lot of groundwork to make it happen and change everything. The whole WWE audience would have to be replaced by another. But Vince doesn't want that. They are where he likes them to be. With the whole "we are fighting for causes" thing and elevation of Steph. It's a cold, safe and corporate product and Vince wants it that way. It's started with Cena and on. No but they wouldn't need to replace the audience. WWE is the one who imposed these ideas of content and who try to position themselves to be fighting for causes. Becky Lynch became a megastar overnight for becoming a take-no-prisoners, no-f***s-given badass wrecking everything in her path. Whenever someone snaps and does something Stone Cold might do its often met with thunderous cheers. People say 'bitch' and 'shit' on WWE TV all the time. As Sir Not-Appearing-In-This-Film puts out, that includes Bayley. People long for a pull back from the sterility and soullessness of the current WWE product. All of that is on the company and its decisions on what to do with it, not with the audience. You quoted a post bringing up how people are going to ignore all the points brought up in the "it's the company" camp and just say nonsense, and then said nonsense. OP literally named "middle fingers" as a thing people might be offended by. This whole idea is lunacy. |
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Post by Heartbreaker on Dec 23, 2018 23:49:01 GMT -5
I miss the 90s when nobody was ever offended.
Remember when people lost their minds over Marilyn Manson and Pokemon?
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Dec 23, 2018 23:52:24 GMT -5
I miss the 90s when nobody was ever offended. Remember when people lost their minds over Marilyn Manson and Pokemon? Remember when WWE made an entire stable solely to mock people who decried the show as immoral, too sexual, and too violent? Because I do. |
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Dec 24, 2018 0:08:22 GMT -5
People are entirely too sensitive these days. A character like Austin would have one half screaming about the children, and the other half scurrying for their safe spaces because the mean man said a bad word. ...I hate the world these days. The last sentence made me re-read the entire post as if you were late 90s Merdedith Brooks. Ham-fisted out of date reference? Yep. I do not feel ashamed. |
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Post by KobashiChop on Dec 24, 2018 2:22:03 GMT -5
I miss the 90s when nobody was ever offended. Remember when people lost their minds over Marilyn Manson and Pokemon? Remember when WWE made an entire stable solely to mock people who decried the show as immoral, too sexual, and too violent? Because I do. Considering the hysteria over supposed snowflakes and safe spaces I'm honestly surprised they haven't revisited the Right to Censor idea. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2018 19:08:00 GMT -5
The only thing that I can recall that's pretty dicey is the show where Austin makes Vince wet himself at gunpoint in the middle of the ring, even at the time that seems like something only Austin could get away with, but times are different now and that'd be an especially crazy thing to do at a live event these days. The Austin/Pillman one is dicey too but not as much since it's at least a taped segment and not in front of an audience. Otherwise I think Austin's style could fit fine.
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Post by The Barber on Dec 24, 2018 19:26:52 GMT -5
People are entirely too sensitive these days. A character like Austin would have one half screaming about the children, and the other half scurrying for their safe spaces because the mean man said a bad word. ...I hate the world these days. The last sentence made me re-read the entire post as if you were late 90s Merdedith Brooks. Ham-fisted out of date reference? Yep. I do not feel ashamed. You're a bitch. |
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Dec 24, 2018 19:45:26 GMT -5
Was he doing the middle fingers in '96 and '97? Because regardless of everything else, he definitely isn't getting away with that now. Fred Durst got booted out for doing it once, on PPV.
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Post by TGM on Dec 25, 2018 3:16:42 GMT -5
lol if you think an audience are too precious to handle a man drinking beer and rebelling against authority.
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Post by EoE: Workin On My Night Cheese on Dec 25, 2018 4:01:17 GMT -5
I think more people these days would take more issue with Austin interrupting midcard matches and laying guys out with the Stunner than they would with swearing, middle fingers and beer drinking. But that’s a booking thing, not a “being offended” thing.
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Post by DZ: WF Legacy on Dec 25, 2018 4:24:30 GMT -5
Only isolated stuff like him holding a (fake) gun to McMahon's head would be crossing a line too far, I think.
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Post by The Ichi on Dec 25, 2018 4:30:06 GMT -5
I guarantee that if you showed a kid/young teen today a bunch of "mature" media and then warped back to the mid-90s and showed a kid/young teen the same media, the former would be more desensitised to it.
Infact, the Attitude Era was exactly groundbreaking because of this reason. Nowadays it wouldn't have the same edge when most of the current generation have seen far worse on an accidental youtube search. It would probably be laughed at, if anything.
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