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Post by Natural Born Farmer on Dec 28, 2018 20:07:29 GMT -5
Talents who were either "home grown" or became major stars in America via WCW platform: Sting Goldberg The Giant Lex Luger DDP Harlem Heat Steiner Brothers Vader Chris Benoit Eddie Guerrero Chris Jericho Dean Malenko Cactus Jack Brian Pillman Rey Mysterio Ron Simmons Johnny B. Badd Dustin Rhodes Considering they were only around for 12 years or so, that's not a bad list. Why do some people say that WCW wasn't able to create stars of their own? The problem is they put a cap on a lot of those guys in terms of how far they were willing to let them go, and it’s why most of them deserted the promotion. WCW might have “made” Chris Jericho in the United States, for instance, but adamantly denying him a shot at the top of the card no matter how over he was ensured he was bailing as soon as he could. |
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Post by The Summer of Muskrat XVII on Dec 29, 2018 9:58:07 GMT -5
WCW gave a whole slew of guys an opportunity to showcase their talents that would never have gotten that opportunity elsewhere, Vince saw Jericho as only fit to play The Goon character prior to his WCW run for cripes sake, but people are more than willing to search for reasons as to why the success they had there didn't count because people still want to buy into the WWF/E's narrative that their success was built on stealing WWF talent and guys that Paul Heyman 'discovered', that had worked on WCW events prior to that. Sure, some of the guys Eric snagged from ECW had made appearances in WCW before, but it wasn’t until after Paul let them go out and get over in ECW that got WCW to say “Huh, maybe these guys are more then just jobbers”. It’s not so much that Paul discovered the Benoit’s, Eddy’s and Rey’s of the world, it’s that he gave them they’re first big break in the US which led to WCW realising they could build the mid card around these guys. Although, I will give Eric and WCW credit for Jericho for sure. He grew as a performer way more in WCW then ECW. Jericho promo in 1996 vs 1999 was night and day, and that came from being able to go out “sink or swim” style and develop. If he goes to WWF in 1995/1996, Goon gimmick or not, I think his career stalls out. |
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Post by Tiger Millionaire on Dec 29, 2018 12:56:42 GMT -5
How many "home grown" guys did WWF develop during the time that WCW was around?
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Post by The Rick Jericho on Dec 29, 2018 13:18:03 GMT -5
How many "home grown" guys did WWF develop during the time that WCW was around? Bret Shawn Razor Diesel Bulldog Owen Yoko Savage Warrior Marty Ahmed |
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Post by Milkman Norm on Dec 29, 2018 13:20:58 GMT -5
Do Road Warriors qualify for such thing? Truth be told they wrestled longer in WWE than in WCW and were probably at the peak of their popularity as LOD but they indeed started in WCW. The Road Warriors where in Crockett from 85-89. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2018 13:27:42 GMT -5
Iffy. It's true they did have a national stage for the first time in WCW, but it lasted less than a year before they moved on to WWF for a much more substantial run. You meant AWA not WCW, right? Personally, when they left the WWF to go to WCW, that worked out so much better for them. They fit in. |
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Post by Surfer Sandman on Dec 29, 2018 13:30:49 GMT -5
Talents who were either "home grown" or became major stars in America via WCW platform: Sting Goldberg The Giant Lex Luger DDP Harlem Heat Steiner Brothers Vader Chris Benoit Eddie Guerrero Chris Jericho Dean Malenko Cactus Jack Brian Pillman Rey Mysterio Ron Simmons Johnny B. Badd Dustin Rhodes Considering they were only around for 12 years or so, that's not a bad list. Why do some people say that WCW wasn't able to create stars of their own? Actually, Rey, Eddie, Jericho, Malenko and Benoit were pillaged from ECW. |
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Post by Tiger Millionaire on Dec 29, 2018 13:43:37 GMT -5
How many "home grown" guys did WWF develop during the time that WCW was around? Bret Shawn Razor Diesel Bulldog Owen Yoko Savage Warrior Marty Ahmed Stampede Mid South/AWA WCW/AWA WCW Stampede Stampede AWA CWA/GCW Mid South/AWA GWF I'm being glib here of course, but if we're saying that WCW got guys from ECW and that doesn't count as "home grown" then at least half of those guys you can't really give WWF/E credit for. |
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Dec 29, 2018 14:34:28 GMT -5
I like the idea that ECW in 94/95, was a national promotion and a close third to WCW and the WWF, and was clearly the thing that put guys on WCW's radar, and not their stints in Japan, the word of guys like Konnan or the WCW promoted shows that guys like Benoit had worked long before stepping foot in ECW.
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Post by 01010010 01101001 01100011 on Dec 29, 2018 17:20:27 GMT -5
Talents who were either "home grown" or became major stars in America via WCW platform: Sting Goldberg The Giant Lex Luger DDP Harlem Heat Steiner Brothers Vader Chris Benoit Eddie Guerrero Chris Jericho Dean Malenko Cactus Jack Brian Pillman Rey Mysterio Ron Simmons Johnny B. Badd Dustin Rhodes Considering they were only around for 12 years or so, that's not a bad list. Why do some people say that WCW wasn't able to create stars of their own? Actually, Rey, Eddie, Jericho, Malenko and Benoit were pillaged from ECW. I believe the argument is they didn't become major stars until WCW. I think the same about Cactus Jack and his time in Texas but understand the argument being made. |
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Post by jason1980s on Dec 29, 2018 18:49:26 GMT -5
Not to go completely off topic but WCW had some pretty awesome theme music during the mid 1990s when some of these "home grown" guys were getting over.
Late 1980s, early 1990s NWA/WCW had some generic music with most sounding alike but around 1993 to 1996 they had some original, very cool themes. They may not have been as iconic as WWF themes but definitely pretty good for the time and made the entrances that much better.
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Post by Squirrel Master on Dec 29, 2018 19:21:55 GMT -5
NEVERMIND THAT SHIT, HERE COMES MONGO!
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Post by Squirrel Master on Dec 29, 2018 19:23:51 GMT -5
Do Road Warriors qualify for such thing? Truth be told they wrestled longer in WWE than in WCW and were probably at the peak of their popularity as LOD but they indeed started in WCW. The Road Warriors where in Crockett from 85-89. I first saw Hawk & Animal in AWA. |
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Post by andrew8798 on Dec 29, 2018 23:25:47 GMT -5
Really with Luger he was already a star in Florida thanks to the Apter Mags
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Post by andrew8798 on Dec 30, 2018 0:00:34 GMT -5
Another one Vader was a star in Japan
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Post by Joe Neglia on Dec 30, 2018 0:50:31 GMT -5
Wait, so is this for people who were home grown AND became major stars? Or just people who might or might not have been home grown that became a major star while in WCW? Because only about four of the names so far fit BOTH of these. Most of them are by no means home grown.
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Post by andrew8798 on Dec 30, 2018 0:53:18 GMT -5
Another one is Rey he was a big star in Mexico
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Post by SHAKEMASTER TV9 is Don Knotts on Dec 30, 2018 10:12:33 GMT -5
Bret Shawn Razor Diesel Bulldog Owen Yoko Savage Warrior Marty Ahmed Stampede Mid South/AWA WCW/AWA WCW Stampede Stampede AWA CWA/GCW Mid South/AWA GWF I'm being glib here of course, but if we're saying that WCW got guys from ECW and that doesn't count as "home grown" then at least half of those guys you can't really give WWF/E credit for. Sean Waltman Jeff Hardy Matt Hardy Edge Christian Mark Henry Kurt Angle |
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Post by mor666gie on Dec 30, 2018 10:48:50 GMT -5
Marcus Alexander Bagwell?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2018 11:17:07 GMT -5
Waltman/Lightning Kid was the main reason a lot of us kept up with the GWF.
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