Cranjis McBasketball
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Dec 30, 2018 21:55:57 GMT -5
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Post by HMARK Center on Dec 30, 2018 22:00:32 GMT -5
There aren't a whole lotta women who want to be asked out again if they've already rejected ya. The idea of 'persistence' being any kind of attractive trait is a weird pop culture trope that usually isn't gonna work out favorably. The Urkel approach ain't gonna work with most women. Yeah, meant to point that out, too. The idea that "everybody has had to ask someone at least twice before they had sex" is, uh...really, really not true. Like, "never do this, it's creepy as hell' levels. If you're into her and she's not into you, that's it, brah. Move on. Plenty of fish out there. It's one thing if you're talking about a couple that's having a healthy dialog about their sex life, or about two people who tried to have a date once but circumstances made it tough so they tried again later, but the idea that it's weird for anyone to take "no" for an answer and move on just runs counter to how this whole thing works. And yeah, this dude wasn't even doing that, he was, again by his own admission, trolling for nudes from drunk girls who had said no already. That's not "hey, I know things were weird when we tried to hang out awhile back, would you like to try again?", that's not "I know we want to take things slowly but I think we're ready now", that's just being a harassing jackass...which, again, Blampied fully owned up to being and vowed to work on, to his credit. Just because it's not what Cosby did doesn't mean it isn't screwed up. It's like saying that something isn't racist unless it involves a bunch of torch-wielding guys in white hoods, that's not reality.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2018 4:46:22 GMT -5
This thread is ridiculous for a number of reasons, and I'll list them one by one.
1. Adam's exile was his choice. He admitted his wrongdoings and chose to leave Cultaholic. Let's be real here, there's no mythical public barrier stopping YouTubers from Youtubing. That Paul brother legit showed a dead body on his channel, the whole world called him a piece of shit, and he's still on YouTube. If he wanted to return today, he could. Pewdepie seemingly steps waist deep in controversy each week, he's still there. There's literally nothing and no one stopping him from coming back but himself.
2. "Do you think maybe we'll ever look back at this time and agree we were all a bit over sensitive?" These are sensitive issues.
3. His life was "destroyed"? Is dude living in a van by the river? He's just not on YouTube. I don't know when it'll come up again, but the idea that these guys lives have been "destroyed"... Let's think about that, because I hear it a lot. "Once you're accused, your life is over!" Outside of the criminal cases with guys like Weinstein and potentially Spacey, look at the other prominent men accused. Aziz? He's going on a nationwide tour soon. He still has a deal with Netflix. Franco? Just had the second season of his show air on HBO. Louis C.K.? He admitted to his acts, and despite a large number of female comedians voicing their discomfort with having him around comedy clubs, he's still performing, he's still getting booked, he'll still go on tour. Their offenses were varied, some more severe than others, but the fallout is the same. They lose some deals, their pocketbooks take a hit, and then they're quickly given opportunities to fill them back up. When I look back at this time, I won't bemoan that people were too sensitive, but that people were too eager to excuse f***ed up behavior.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2018 5:28:57 GMT -5
So when you become famous are you only allowed to hit on other famous people then or...? And if it works out, great, it's just a relationship. If it DOESN'T work out...you're being toxic and awful? Depends: did you ask the person out, did you just happen to meet somewhere and hit it off, or did you wait until they were drunk and then keep bugging them until they sent you a picture of their breasts? One of those things is not like the other things, one of those things just doesn't belong. I mean, that part is obviously wrong which is what I've said since the beginning. Blampied did something wrong. He admits he did something wrong. But the dynamics of "fame" are the interesting part to me, because you didn't really answer my question. It just got shifted to the part we both agree he f***ed up on.
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Dec 31, 2018 8:03:09 GMT -5
Depends: did you ask the person out, did you just happen to meet somewhere and hit it off, or did you wait until they were drunk and then keep bugging them until they sent you a picture of their breasts? One of those things is not like the other things, one of those things just doesn't belong. I mean, that part is obviously wrong which is what I've said since the beginning. Blampied did something wrong. He admits he did something wrong. But the dynamics of "fame" are the interesting part to me, because you didn't really answer my question. It just got shifted to the part we both agree he f***ed up on. It's really complex. Personally, anyone dating their own fan... that's just weird, but to each their own. Long as the famous person is respectful, nice, the same as anyone else should be in a relationship then fine. It got shifted to where he f***ed up because, well, that's the whole thing. Not being low level famous and dating someone, but using someone's admiration of them to well, do what he did.
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Post by HMARK Center on Dec 31, 2018 9:10:31 GMT -5
Depends: did you ask the person out, did you just happen to meet somewhere and hit it off, or did you wait until they were drunk and then keep bugging them until they sent you a picture of their breasts? One of those things is not like the other things, one of those things just doesn't belong. I mean, that part is obviously wrong which is what I've said since the beginning. Blampied did something wrong. He admits he did something wrong. But the dynamics of "fame" are the interesting part to me, because you didn't really answer my question. It just got shifted to the part we both agree he f***ed up on. I don't think I'm sidestepping it: it kind of boils down to 'who cares if a famous person dates/has sex with a non-famous person or a fan, so long as it went down in a respectful manner?' Some people are going to be drawn to celebrity, there's no denying that, so it can muddy the waters a bit, I agree; but if two people meet, have a good conversation, engage socially in a manner that's not one person trying to use the other, then who are any of us to judge? Even if a fan wants to just hook up with someone they're interested in partly due to whatever level of celebrity they've attained (see: somebody at a concert, people meeting a figure they admire at a convention, etc.), again as long as nobody's being forced into anything/nobody's being manipulative or what have you, then what's the big deal? These things happen all the time, as long as they're all adults and able to consent to what's happening, it's none of our business. Here, it was just too clear cut what was wrong with the situation; guy with some minor level of celebrity knows young woman is at least intrigued by him in large part due to knowing him from the platform that gave him notoriety, and rather than a situation where the two just hit it off on social media and began hooking up, or a situation where she initiated or outright agreed to sending him pics, he instead preyed on someone who was drunk by leveraging his celebrity status. Even putting aside their age gap, which some might take issue with as well, it's just shitty; it's like someone at least relatively famous getting angry at a customer service rep and defaulting to the "don't you know who I am?!" card, but in this case doing it in a way that's more emotionally manipulative, making it a clear cut case of negative behavior. Any guy hounding a girl for nudes is already being a creep, but yeah, the social dynamic of "minor celebrity does it to fan" does give it an added layer that isn't great, hence the fallout.
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Post by The Blue Nova on Dec 31, 2018 21:29:32 GMT -5
Is adam blampied really that famous other then being recognized by marks?? Your average person on the street would not know him.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Dec 31, 2018 22:17:43 GMT -5
Your average mark wouldn't either honestly. That's not a knock, it's just that wrestling commenter YouTube is pretty niche. You'd have to be pretty smarky to know who the whatculture guys are.
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Post by HMARK Center on Dec 31, 2018 22:29:24 GMT -5
Is adam blampied really that famous other then being recognized by marks?? Your average person on the street would not know him. Nah, but he did have a modicum of celebrity over the people he was trying to use. In the internet age "fame" is a multi-tiered thing, I guess.
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Post by Joe Neglia on Dec 31, 2018 22:41:54 GMT -5
I think we can move on from this topic for a while.
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