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Post by Mozenrath on Dec 29, 2018 23:16:39 GMT -5
The thing everybody misses about the Blampied situation is that every single thing that happened with him was totally voluntary. HE quit Cultaholic. He wasn't told to leave. He realized he had a serious problem and his time on the internet wasn't good for him so he walked away. Oh, I don't dispute that part at all, and props to him for taking a path he felt would help him overcome a problem. But that doesn't negate the incident-to-outrage ratio being a good bit out of whack on this one. A lot of it was because people were more personally hurt by the revelation. The What Culture guys obviously had a lot of good will before hand, but especially after they split to be Cultaholic after having been wronged, so you had a whole bunch of people rooting for them and he pulls this shit. It's like how Enzo could do any number of stupid things now, and it's mostly going to elicit groans or snickers, but the same behavior from a guy a bunch of fans like and respect would be more painful.
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Post by TOK Hehe'd Around & Found Out on Dec 30, 2018 0:35:02 GMT -5
It was douchey. Absolutely. No doubt. But the hysteria about it was insane. Including on here. Agreed. He was treated the same as the guys at the time who were being accused of actual rapes. That's ****ing stupid. No one knows how to look at things in relativity and adjust appriopriately anymore. Was he, though? It wasn't as if he was forced to lose his main source of income or anything, he made the personal decision to take himself away from a position that was making him act like an asshole and get the necessary help to work on his issues regarding power dynamics.
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Post by Wardlow on Wardlow 54 on Dec 30, 2018 0:52:43 GMT -5
He's a guy who made a very poor choice, realized it, and tried to better himself. But the backlash he received was on par with that towards Enzo a couple months later or Ellsworth, two guys who did way worse things that WERE illegal. When I was at my aunt's for Christmas, my cousin referred to Blampied as an awful person, which kind of floored me. What he did was morally wrong, no doubt. But he came foward, admitted his mistake, and sought help on his own. I can respect that.
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Post by brown bricks on Dec 30, 2018 1:25:41 GMT -5
Did he ever release an apology video? If so, was it in countdown form?
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball☝🏻 on Dec 30, 2018 1:30:19 GMT -5
Did he ever release an apology video? If so, was it in countdown form? Montreal Screwjob was still #1.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2018 4:20:50 GMT -5
Do you think maybe we'll ever look back at this time and agree we were all a bit over sensitive? I mean if you look at the original thread it broke in, some people were calling him a predator. I think though that this place wasn’t too bad in its reaction because most realised that in the grand scheme of things yeah it was sleazy and morally poor unlike the rest of the internet which was comparing him to Weinstein etc I mean even the BBC reported on it for goodness sake
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Post by TOK Hehe'd Around & Found Out on Dec 30, 2018 4:36:02 GMT -5
Do you think maybe we'll ever look back at this time and agree we were all a bit over sensitive? I mean if you look at the original thread it broke in, some people were calling him a predator. I think though that this place wasn’t too bad in its reaction because most realised that in the grand scheme of things yeah it was sleazy and morally poor unlike the rest of the internet which was comparing him to Weinstein etc I mean even the BBC reported on it for goodness sake But he was a predator. Obviously he wasn't Weinstein or Spacey, but he abused his power and name to get people to provide him with sexual gratification inappropriately.
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Dec 30, 2018 4:47:34 GMT -5
His life was DESTROYED?
Do you think maybe we'll ever look back at this time and agree we were all a bit over sensitive?
A guy was an asshole, he got caught and people were mad. He decided to go away and sort himself out.
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Post by TGM on Dec 30, 2018 6:03:32 GMT -5
What did he actually do? Because pictures being shared between consenting adults is fine. Unless he did something I'm not aware of.
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Post by The Thread Barbi on Dec 30, 2018 6:30:01 GMT -5
What did he actually do? Because pictures being shared between consenting adults is fine. Unless he did something I'm not aware of. That's where I am with this. If an adult wants to share such a picture and the adult receiver is OK with it, where's the problem?
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Post by sdoyle7798 on Dec 30, 2018 7:12:04 GMT -5
I mean if you look at the original thread it broke in, some people were calling him a predator. I think though that this place wasn’t too bad in its reaction because most realised that in the grand scheme of things yeah it was sleazy and morally poor unlike the rest of the internet which was comparing him to Weinstein etc I mean even the BBC reported on it for goodness sake But he was a predator. Obviously he wasn't Weinstein or Spacey, but he abused his power and name to get people to provide him with sexual gratification inappropriately. Generally, when people think of “predators” they think of people like Bill Cosby or Harvey Weinstein. What Adam did was shitty, but it wasn’t anywhere near the level of being a predator.
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Post by Alice Syndrome on Dec 30, 2018 7:40:32 GMT -5
He didn't have his career destroyed. There are plenty of YouTubers (weirdly, mostly male British vloggers) who were actively chased off YouTube for doing similar, though usually with the added part of knowing that the solicited person or people were underage. Blampied decided all on his own after the initial problem was raised that he recognised a problem, and wanted to remove himself from the position of power that led him to the problem. Cultaholic never even fired him either, he quit.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2018 8:28:42 GMT -5
If the genders were reversed and a male sent a picture of his junk to an internet 'personality' called Adele Blampied under the exact same circumstances, there is not a chance in hell that the dude would have been seen in any way as a victim or Miss Blampied as morally reprehensible.
His 'crime' was to lie about his relationship status. I don't get what that has to do with anything other than his partner at the time, nor why it makes an adult over the age of consent a 'victim' if they choose to send someone intimate photos. He didn't assault anyone, he didn't molest anyone, he didn't break any law. I don't understand how all of that somehow disqualified him from being a social media commentator on arguably the most sleaziest industry going.
He took advantage of a situation where someone was wiling to send nudes. He's a man. The irony of anyone being appalled at that behaviour but think it's fine to sit and watch wrestling where undoubtedly fans interest in the wrestlers are taken advantage of way more than simply "Can you Snapchat me your boobs?" is absurd. Guys who openly talk about taking advantage of situations where 'ring rats' threw themselves at them are considered heroes by people whose moral compass finds it beyond the pale if a an adult male asks for pictures from an adult woman of her boobs.
I don't buy any of it to be honest. And trying to justify it by someone pretending to give a damn about his girlfriend who nobody has met or known whilst simultaneously still hero worshipping wrestlers who have murdered, raped, beaten or openly cheated on their partners and benefited financially from it by way of sleazy autobiographies - was really cheap too.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2018 8:48:13 GMT -5
His life was DESTROYED? Do you think maybe we'll ever look back at this time and agree we were all a bit over sensitive? A guy was an asshole, he got caught and people were mad. He decided to go away and sort himself out. Okay let me rephrase that. Why was a man whose career it was to comment on wrestling hounded out due to the outrage of a public who watch a television show produced by a company owned by a serial cheater, cast with proven drug abusers, who regularly lionise characters of the past who are on record of committing crimes against women including battery, allegations of sexual intercourse with those under the age of consent, racism, homophobia, even worse drug taking and taking physical advantage of admiring young female fans - because he asked someone to send boobs? ...but as a thread title it's a bit long. The overreaction of wrestling fans to what happened has meant that anyone dipping into this cold, for example a prospective employer, would be forgiven for being under the impression Blampied committed some unforgivable and heinous sex crime. He's now absolutely toxic for absolutely no reason whatsoever. That's really how his life has been destroyed, or at least severely hindered by people who presumably tell themselves Ric Flair only visited Space Mountain whilst legally separated from whenever he was married to at the time, and never with anyone who'd ever heard of him who could have been taken in by his fame and celebrity.
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Dec 30, 2018 9:20:36 GMT -5
His life was DESTROYED? Do you think maybe we'll ever look back at this time and agree we were all a bit over sensitive? A guy was an asshole, he got caught and people were mad. He decided to go away and sort himself out. Okay let me rephrase that. Why was a man whose career it was to comment on wrestling hounded out due to the outrage of a public who watch a television show produced by a company owned by a serial cheater, cast with proven drug abusers, who regularly lionise characters of the past who are on record of committing crimes against women, racism, homophobia, even worse drug taking and taking physical advantage of admiring young female fans - because he asked someone to send boobs? ...but as a thread title it's a bit long. But he wasn't hounded out, he quit. There's a long list of guys who've done worse who've carried on. Hell, some of the top youtubers, PewDiePie, the Pauls. They carry on no matter what. If he'd carried on then it'd have affected him as much as their scandals. But he walked away. You also assume people are fine with wrestlers doing it. I'm not, and a lot of the people who kick up the fuss around here, it's the same people and they're consistent. They'll call out Seth Rollins for saying all female fans are rats, which is one of those things that's always brought up in "what about.." arguments, when people do bring it up when relevant. The culture back then was terrible. I'll admire someone's artistic work, but the stuff they got up to outside was terrible. If they did it now, there'd be hell to pay and rightly so. But what's going after Dick Murdoch gonna do in 2018? No one's making the argument that this is the same as the worse things. But if you do something shitty and you get caught, people will call you out for being shitty. Edit: Since you put in the Ric Flair stuff no. Literally no one says anything like that. Ric Flair was one of if not the best wrestler of all time. But out of it, he was an absolute trainwreck of a person, all that "Space Mountain" crap was disgusting.
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Post by abjordans on Dec 30, 2018 10:30:14 GMT -5
There are still people in this thread saying he used his power to prey on women, but didn’t he just ask for a boob pic while having a girlfriend? I mean, that relationship should probably end, but a predator that does not make. Unless I am missing some major details, I don’t even know who this fella is to be honest.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2018 11:20:12 GMT -5
What "position of power" is Blampied on? Dude is a goddamn wrestling youtuber.
Again, I'm glad the dude walked away. He felt his position was bad for him, and his addiction was screwing up his life. Good for him. I hope he's happy. But he's a grown adult who asked another grown adult who he had no leverage over - they didn't work together or anything, she was just a fan - for photos and the fan was into it. I don't want to be accused of concern trolling here, because I'm not, but she's fully capable of saying no to him without consequence and its weird how we remove any agency she has when we talk about this whole mess.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2018 11:38:03 GMT -5
I mean if you look at the original thread it broke in, some people were calling him a predator. I think though that this place wasn’t too bad in its reaction because most realised that in the grand scheme of things yeah it was sleazy and morally poor unlike the rest of the internet which was comparing him to Weinstein etc I mean even the BBC reported on it for goodness sake But he was a predator. Obviously he wasn't Weinstein or Spacey, but he abused his power and name to get people to provide him with sexual gratification inappropriately. Power......what power did he have? This isn’t Harvey Weinstein here. The guy was a terrible boyfriend yeah and his actions in the situation were morally bankrupt but predator is not an appropriate word to describe him
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Dec 30, 2018 12:29:16 GMT -5
Here's the power that he had: He was a wrestling Youtuber they liked. A power dynamic doesn't have to be someone who holds your career in their hands. As soon as you're a fan of someone, they have that bit of psychological power over you. Look at any concert with teenagers in the crowd, you'll see thousands of people who the person on stage could get to do pretty much anything they wanted to gain their approval. You can say "oh he was just a youtuber". Doesn't matter, he was, even on a minor level, a celebrity and had fans who would like to please him. If anything Youtube encourages a closer relationship with the person creating content which exacerbates that. Here's the quote from one of the people involved: "Knowing that I was 19, drunk, sexually inexperienced and had moral objections to sending him nudes, he continued to try to persuade me," "In the end, I relented." "He was charming, he was the face of a YouTube channel and I'd been a fan of him for a while." "He made me feel so good about myself for about six hours, then he made me feel like utter shit for months." So, he got a teenage girl who he knew looked up to him to do this while drunk over her objections. And yes, she was an adult, 19, but can anyone here honestly say that drunk 19 year olds are above being manipulated into doing things they don't really want to do? Especially to gain approval from someone, be it a partner, a friend or a celebrity? At least he realised what he was doing and is trying to be a better person. If you think his life was ruined, at least let the guy speak for himself. www.independent.co.uk/voices/sexual-harassment-women-life-career-ruined-deserved-adam-blampied-youtube-a8167751.html
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Post by The Ichi on Dec 30, 2018 12:49:45 GMT -5
His life was DESTROYED? Do you think maybe we'll ever look back at this time and agree we were all a bit over sensitive? A guy was an asshole, he got caught and people were mad. He decided to go away and sort himself out. Okay let me rephrase that. Why was a man whose career it was to comment on wrestling hounded out due to the outrage of a public who watch a television show produced by a company owned by a serial cheater, cast with proven drug abusers, who regularly lionise characters of the past who are on record of committing crimes against women including battery, allegations of sexual intercourse with those under the age of consent, racism, homophobia, even worse drug taking and taking physical advantage of admiring young female fans - because he asked someone to send boobs? ...but as a thread title it's a bit long. The overreaction of wrestling fans to what happened has meant that anyone dipping into this cold, for example a prospective employer, would be forgiven for being under the impression Blampied committed some unforgivable and heinous sex crime. He's now absolutely toxic for absolutely no reason whatsoever. That's really how his life has been destroyed, or at least severely hindered by people who presumably tell themselves Ric Flair only visited Space Mountain whilst legally separated from whenever he was married to at the time, and never with anyone who'd ever heard of him who could have been taken in by his fame and celebrity. The fact that he quit on his own volition is really not digesting here, is it? Also, it was a teeeeny bit more than asking to see boobs. Read into it.
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