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Post by Dub H on Jan 8, 2019 22:40:31 GMT -5
because that the pattern with the wwe . they give one day or moment of what you want and when they can get away with what they want they will try to. the years of they trying to make Roman not seen like the guy. the Bryan win just to be constantly beaten over and planned to be squashed by Lesnar. the Punk winning the title, running the show just to become fodder for Triple H and Rock and Cena that is just how they do things. and people don't want that. they are clear and tired of it, they want Becky and not Charlotte. accepting half away just lets wwe keep doing that shit. WWE makes mistakes, but people also aren’t fair. Daniel Bryan wasn’t “constantly beaten”, he vacated the belt a month after winning it. He beat Kane in their PPV match after winning the belt. They had Lesnar squash Cena, it wasn’t like it was set to be a personal burial of Bryan. Oh yea, he is also the WWE Champ as I type. CM Punk was WWE Champion for almost 500 days. The people are getting Becky, she just won the main event. She is the focus of Smackdown. She is in the title match of the second biggest PPV of the year. She is *probably* going to be in the main event of Wrestlemania. How much more Becky can you get? he was champion for 500 days and how many times he got passed in the main event for cena and part timers and treated like a lesser deal? way too many. there is nice moments but in the end what they want still takes priority.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2019 22:40:56 GMT -5
I've been feeling for a while that Asuka's going to get a multi-women match. She's got no real opponents, she'll crush them all and keep herself strong. Afterwards Charlotte will say "you weren't main eventing, I've beaten you once and I can do it again, I deserve to be champion" and feud with Asuka again. I see Ember being the one to dethrone Asuka after WM if the move her to SDL. It's possible, we'll see.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2019 22:44:22 GMT -5
So, like, is there any particular reason why any time you dislike something you're very quick to rail against it and spew some vitrol but any time you like something and others don't you go on and on about how unfair people are being? I wanna come back to this quote actually. Like, isn't this how wrestling opinions and opinions in general work? If someone hates something, they hate it and give their opinion as to why, and if they like it, they defend it? Why is this a special thing with me you want to point out? This is human nature, it's how fandoms work. You like, you don't like , you debate, you agree, you disagree. I don't know why you're trying to use this to scathe my character or how I present myself in arguments. Like anyone, I present and debate my opinions accordingly. It'd be the same way if the tables were flipped and I didn't like the idea and you did, there's no intent behind it, I'm just expressing my view and how I see things good or bad. In this case, it felt like people were missing the point and I was arguing the stance for the Triple Threat. So my bad if it came off in any derogatory way, because that wasn't what I was trying to do, but I always thought this is how opinions and thoughts usually work... especially in an opinionated world such as wrestling on a wrestling forum. It's the way you do it. You never approach it from the angle of, "Here's why I think this works." You always go at it from, "Here's why you are wrong," you're very adversarial. It's fine that you like it or have confidence in where this is going. That's fair enough. But don't go and act like there's something wrong with me for having a different perspective on the matter and for not trusting WWE to not screw it up. And while we're on the subject, you keep bringing up that people are biased and... Yeah, why the hell shouldn't they be? If someone doesn't entertain me I don't want to watch them and don't see their presence as a good thing for the story. There's no reason someone should be expected to be objective when it comes to something they're only watching to enjoy themselves to begin with.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2019 22:46:43 GMT -5
As someone who's had some issues with Charlotte's booking...some of yall need to put some respek on her name. Regardless what you want to believe Charlotte is still pretty popular. She's not Becky or Ronda levels of popularity but yeah, she's still got it. She can go in the ring with the best of them and with that TLC match last month most people said she looked the best out of all 3 of them in it. Charlotte these past few months went from being an afterthought of Becky to a contender again and that's something you can't take away from her. Even tonight she proved herself. The fact that this will probably be a triple threat will only make Becky far greater once she beats Ronda and Charlotte. It's like Bryan all over again at WM30 when you look at who he had to walk over on that one day. I get that people want Becky to have a one on one match with Ronda. At the same time throwing Charlotte in there isn't a negative. You've got the daughter of arguably the greatest professional wrestler of all time, you've got the greatest women's MMA fighter and you mean to tell me they got beaten by this Irish woman with no background or known legacy? You kidding me? That's just money there. I just don't see how this is negative if it's going to benefit Becky. It's not as if Ronda's going to take this lying down and isn't going after Becky again. Yall got Ronda f***ed up if you think she's going to say "well Becky you did great, I'm moving on, congratulations" and that'll be it. At the end though, a lot of people are downplaying exactly who Charlotte is, downplaying Ronda's character and most importantly aren't looking at how this will impact Becky for the Becky. I'm seeing people think this will actually hurt their idea of Becky rather than thinking "wow, this is great for her" because at the end of the day this is better for her.
I've been feeling for a while that Asuka's going to get a multi-women match. She's got no real opponents, she'll crush them all and keep herself strong. Afterwards Charlotte will say "you weren't main eventing, I've beaten you once and I can do it again, I deserve to be champion" and feud with Asuka again. I guess they could build up Nikki Cross as a legitimate challenger in the coming months, but a multi-women match wouldn't be a surprise. Honestly? I still think they should move Ember to SD and start that feud back up. Yeah it's a way to make Asuka look like a destroyer as she beats a large amount of women and also a way to give the other women something else to do on the card. Besides that, we've already seen the seeds of it on SDL where they were asking who would challenge Asuka. Eventually all the women will say "we want Asuka" and she says she'll face them all setting up the match. That's how the company does things.
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Post by Dub H on Jan 8, 2019 22:49:17 GMT -5
As someone who's had some issues with Charlotte's booking...some of yall need to put some respek on her name. Regardless what you want to believe Charlotte is still pretty popular. She's not Becky or Ronda levels of popularity but yeah, she's still got it. She can go in the ring with the best of them and with that TLC match last month most people said she looked the best out of all 3 of them in it. Charlotte these past few months went from being an afterthought of Becky to a contender again and that's something you can't take away from her. Even tonight she proved herself. The fact that this will probably be a triple threat will only make Becky far greater once she beats Ronda and Charlotte. It's like Bryan all over again at WM30 when you look at who he had to walk over on that one day. I get that people want Becky to have a one on one match with Ronda. At the same time throwing Charlotte in there isn't a negative. You've got the daughter of arguably the greatest professional wrestler of all time, you've got the greatest women's MMA fighter and you mean to tell me they got beaten by this Irish woman with no background or known legacy? You kidding me? That's just money there. I just don't see how this is negative if it's going to benefit Becky. It's not as if Ronda's going to take this lying down and isn't going after Becky again. Yall got Ronda f***ed up if you think she's going to say "well Becky you did great, I'm moving on, congratulations" and that'll be it. At the end though, a lot of people are downplaying exactly who Charlotte is, downplaying Ronda's character and most importantly aren't looking at how this will impact Becky for the Becky. I'm seeing people think this will actually hurt their idea of Becky rather than thinking "wow, this is great for her" because at the end of the day this is better for her.
I guess they could build up Nikki Cross as a legitimate challenger in the coming months, but a multi-women match wouldn't be a surprise. Honestly? I still think they should move Ember to SD and start that feud back up. Yeah it's a way to make Asuka look like a destroyer as she beats a large amount of women and also a way to give the other women something else to do on the card. Besides that, we've already seen the seeds of it on SDL where they were asking who would challenge Asuka. Eventually all the women will say "we want Asuka" and she says she'll face them all setting up the match. That's how the company does things. it is a negative thought. no one is denying she is good. But she is still.not what we and most people want. as poster said the match can be freaking amazing. it is not the story and it is not what most are looking forward. And if you are not, you shouldn't stand for it. edir: not an exact comparison but people got tired of AJ Styles. Considered the best at the moment. Yeh he is amazing ut you don't want to see him keeping in the title scene all the time. If the WM MAIN EVENT is a great story involving Bryan and Ali for example. I don't want AJ there.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jan 8, 2019 22:49:18 GMT -5
I wanna come back to this quote actually. Like, isn't this how wrestling opinions and opinions in general work? If someone hates something, they hate it and give their opinion as to why, and if they like it, they defend it? Why is this a special thing with me you want to point out? This is human nature, it's how fandoms work. You like, you don't like , you debate, you agree, you disagree. I don't know why you're trying to use this to scathe my character or how I present myself in arguments. Like anyone, I present and debate my opinions accordingly. It'd be the same way if the tables were flipped and I didn't like the idea and you did, there's no intent behind it, I'm just expressing my view and how I see things good or bad. In this case, it felt like people were missing the point and I was arguing the stance for the Triple Threat. So my bad if it came off in any derogatory way, because that wasn't what I was trying to do, but I always thought this is how opinions and thoughts usually work... especially in an opinionated world such as wrestling on a wrestling forum. It's the way you do it. You never approach it from the angle of, "Here's why I think this works." You always go at it from, "Here's why you are wrong," you're very adversarial. Comments like those are going out of your It's fine that you like it or have confidence in where this is going. That's fair enough. But don't go and act like there's something wrong with me for having a different perspective on the matter and for not trusting WWE to not screw it up. And while we're on the subject, you keep bringing up that people are biased and... Yeah, why the hell shouldn't they be? If someone doesn't entertain me I don't want to watch them and don't see their presence as a good thing for the story. There's no reason someone should be expected to be objective when it comes to something they're only watching to enjoy themselves to begin with. It's fair enough I guess, I just thought some of the responses were a little nuts when we don't even know the route it's gonna go but "We already know the route it's going to go" due to how WWE can be... I just hope for the best against my better judgement I guess, but if Becky is screwed I'll probably be first in line on the Pissed as Hell Train...
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Post by abjordans on Jan 8, 2019 22:49:48 GMT -5
I wouldn’t even doubt Rousey costs Becky her title match and then Becky comes out and wins the Rumble.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2019 22:51:58 GMT -5
I wouldn’t even doubt Rousey costs Becky her title match and then Becky comes out and wins the Rumble. That’s exactly how I feel. Rousey took a cheap shot at Becky on Monday and clearly has unfinished business the way she humiliated her on her own damn show.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2019 22:52:30 GMT -5
I wouldn’t even doubt Rousey costs Becky her title match and then Becky comes out and wins the Rumble. I guess one way to do it is have Charlotte cost Becky the match at the Rumble, then have Becky attack Charlotte and win the Rumble after stealing her spot.
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Post by abjordans on Jan 8, 2019 22:53:18 GMT -5
I wouldn’t even doubt Rousey costs Becky her title match and then Becky comes out and wins the Rumble. That’s exactly how I feel. Rousey took a cheap shot at Becky on Monday and clearly has unfinished business the way she humiliated her on her own damn show. Plus, Rousey is very involved in the twitter feud with Becky, they ain’t just doing that for shits and giggles.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2019 22:54:45 GMT -5
That’s exactly how I feel. Rousey took a cheap shot at Becky on Monday and clearly has unfinished business the way she humiliated her on her own damn show. Plus, Rousey is very involved in the twitter feud with Becky, they ain’t just doing that for shits and giggles. Yeah, I would assume they wouldn’t have Ronda mention Becky in every promo just because.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2019 22:55:51 GMT -5
As someone who's had some issues with Charlotte's booking...some of yall need to put some respek on her name. Regardless what you want to believe Charlotte is still pretty popular. She's not Becky or Ronda levels of popularity but yeah, she's still got it. She can go in the ring with the best of them and with that TLC match last month most people said she looked the best out of all 3 of them in it. Charlotte these past few months went from being an afterthought of Becky to a contender again and that's something you can't take away from her. Even tonight she proved herself. The fact that this will probably be a triple threat will only make Becky far greater once she beats Ronda and Charlotte. It's like Bryan all over again at WM30 when you look at who he had to walk over on that one day. I get that people want Becky to have a one on one match with Ronda. At the same time throwing Charlotte in there isn't a negative. You've got the daughter of arguably the greatest professional wrestler of all time, you've got the greatest women's MMA fighter and you mean to tell me they got beaten by this Irish woman with no background or known legacy? You kidding me? That's just money there. I just don't see how this is negative if it's going to benefit Becky. It's not as if Ronda's going to take this lying down and isn't going after Becky again. Yall got Ronda f***ed up if you think she's going to say "well Becky you did great, I'm moving on, congratulations" and that'll be it. At the end though, a lot of people are downplaying exactly who Charlotte is, downplaying Ronda's character and most importantly aren't looking at how this will impact Becky for the Becky. I'm seeing people think this will actually hurt their idea of Becky rather than thinking "wow, this is great for her" because at the end of the day this is better for her.
Yeah it's a way to make Asuka look like a destroyer as she beats a large amount of women and also a way to give the other women something else to do on the card. Besides that, we've already seen the seeds of it on SDL where they were asking who would challenge Asuka. Eventually all the women will say "we want Asuka" and she says she'll face them all setting up the match. That's how the company does things. it is a negative thought. no one is denying she is good. But she is still.not what we and most people want. as poster said the match can be freaking amazing. it is not the story and it is not what most are looking forward. And if you are not, you shouldn't stand for it. From a kayfabe perspective this will be better for Becky as it shows her accomplishing more by beating 2 women instead of one. From a booking perspective this looks better for Becky as there's more eyes on the match given Charlotte is a Flair. From an in-ring perspective the match will be better. From a "passing of the torch" perspective the one thing we know is that for these past 4 years or so Charlotte is the head of the Four Horsewomen so Becky dethroning her at WM will be better. From a story perspective yeah it's not just Becky/Ronda but with that said it's a different story that has more potential variables along with alternate routes. Regardless, I'll go ahead and say ok, the story can be potentially worse. But overall one thing's sure.
There's more positives than negatives here.
Yeah, people can be upset that it's not the story they want but what I'm saying is that if you look at everything as a whole there's more positive than negative that people are either not caring about or they're more focused on the now rather than the later. This will help Becky more compared to the previous.
And I don't know about you all but I'd rather Becky gets more positives and help compared to me wanting the story to be better because the end result is what I care about most.
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Post by Dub H on Jan 8, 2019 22:59:36 GMT -5
it is a negative thought. no one is denying she is good. But she is still.not what we and most people want. as poster said the match can be freaking amazing. it is not the story and it is not what most are looking forward. And if you are not, you shouldn't stand for it. From a kayfabe perspective this will be better for Becky as it shows her accomplishing more by beating 2 women instead of one. From a booking perspective this looks better for Becky as there's more eyes on the match given Charlotte is a Flair. From an in-ring perspective the match will be better. From a "passing of the torch" perspective the one thing we know is that for these past 4 years or so Charlotte is the head of the Four Horsewomen so Becky dethroning her at WM will be better. From a story perspective yeah it's not just Becky/Ronda but with that said it's a different story that has more potential variables along with alternate routes. Regardless, I'll go ahead and say ok, the story can be potentially worse. But overall one thing's sure.
There's more positives than negatives here.
Yeah, people can be upset that it's not the story they want but what I'm saying is that if you look at everything as a whole there's more positive than negative that people are either not caring about or they're more focused on the now rather than the later. This will help Becky more compared to the previous.
And I don't know about you all but I'd rather Becky gets more positives and help compared to me wanting the story to be better because the end result is what I care about most.
I think in this point it is just a case of agree to disagree. I see Charlotte only pulling the focus away from what matters in the story and match. I also don't see any positives from putting someone people were already tired of in that position.
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Post by abjordans on Jan 8, 2019 22:59:44 GMT -5
Another option is Becky costs Rousey the belt against Banks, Rousey enters the Rumble and wins. Becky beats Asuka in a dope match. They do Becky vs Rousey for the Smackdown belt. There are lots of ways to go.
And if we end up with Charlotte in a triple threat, I really don’t think it feels shoehorned, Charlotte is very much in this mix.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2019 23:03:08 GMT -5
From a kayfabe perspective this will be better for Becky as it shows her accomplishing more by beating 2 women instead of one. From a booking perspective this looks better for Becky as there's more eyes on the match given Charlotte is a Flair. From an in-ring perspective the match will be better. From a "passing of the torch" perspective the one thing we know is that for these past 4 years or so Charlotte is the head of the Four Horsewomen so Becky dethroning her at WM will be better. From a story perspective yeah it's not just Becky/Ronda but with that said it's a different story that has more potential variables along with alternate routes. Regardless, I'll go ahead and say ok, the story can be potentially worse. But overall one thing's sure.
There's more positives than negatives here.
Yeah, people can be upset that it's not the story they want but what I'm saying is that if you look at everything as a whole there's more positive than negative that people are either not caring about or they're more focused on the now rather than the later. This will help Becky more compared to the previous.
And I don't know about you all but I'd rather Becky gets more positives and help compared to me wanting the story to be better because the end result is what I care about most.
I think in this point it is just a case of agree to disagree. I see Charlotte only pulling the focus away from what matters in the story and match. I also don't see any positives from putting someone people were already tired of in that position. Yeah we gotta disagree on this one. To the Styles thing it's a different story given Styles isn't tied up with Ali like Charlotte is tied up with Becky and Ronda. These three have been intertwined for these past few months so it ending up to a triple threat makes some sense. With the Bryan/Ali/Styles situation nah, Bryan and Styles are done and Ali's only teamed with Styles once. I get what you're trying to say but I'm saying that there's enough story focus on these three women for the story to make sense. Reading some of these comments in this thread you'd think Charlotte was someone random like Naomi being thrown in there without being Charlotte, someone who's been tied with these women for months.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2019 23:03:09 GMT -5
Another option is Becky costs Rousey the belt against Banks, Rousey enters the Rumble and wins. Becky beats Asuka in a dope match. They do Becky vs Rousey for the Smackdown belt. There are lots of ways to go. And if we end up with Charlotte in a triple threat, I really don’t think it feels shoehorned, Charlotte is very much in this mix. Becky's gotta lose to Asuka IMO. After having her streak ended by Charlotte and losing to Carmella of all people twice, she needs that signature win on the main roster and getting one over Becky would give her that, especially after all the shit Becky's been talking about her. Edit: Signature one on one win I should say. Winning the first ever women's TLC match was pretty big for her.
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Post by Bang Bang Bart on Jan 8, 2019 23:03:23 GMT -5
Another option is Becky costs Rousey the belt against Banks, Rousey enters the Rumble and wins. Becky beats Asuka in a dope match. They do Becky vs Rousey for the Smackdown belt. There are lots of ways to go. And if we end up with Charlotte in a triple threat, I really don’t think it feels shoehorned, Charlotte is very much in this mix. Becky vs. Rousey for the SD Women’s belt also helps to get Ronda over on SDL well before the Fox launch in October, and I imagine they’d want her as part of the SD roster.
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Post by abjordans on Jan 8, 2019 23:08:05 GMT -5
Another option is Becky costs Rousey the belt against Banks, Rousey enters the Rumble and wins. Becky beats Asuka in a dope match. They do Becky vs Rousey for the Smackdown belt. There are lots of ways to go. And if we end up with Charlotte in a triple threat, I really don’t think it feels shoehorned, Charlotte is very much in this mix. Becky's gotta lose to Asuka IMO. After having her streak ended by Charlotte and losing to Carmella of all people twice, she needs that signature win on the main roster and getting one over Becky would give her that, especially after all the shit Becky's been talking about her. Edit: Signature one on one win I should say. Winning the first ever women's TLC match was pretty big for her. First women’s Rumble isn’t a signature win?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2019 23:08:52 GMT -5
Becky's gotta lose to Asuka IMO. After having her streak ended by Charlotte and losing to Carmella of all people twice, she needs that signature win on the main roster and getting one over Becky would give her that, especially after all the shit Becky's been talking about her. Edit: Signature one on one win I should say. Winning the first ever women's TLC match was pretty big for her. First women’s Rumble isn’t a signature win? Lol, I completely forgot about that to be honest with you. Either way, I don't think they should end Asuka's reign after a month.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2019 23:09:15 GMT -5
Becky's gotta lose to Asuka IMO. After having her streak ended by Charlotte and losing to Carmella of all people twice, she needs that signature win on the main roster and getting one over Becky would give her that, especially after all the shit Becky's been talking about her. Edit: Signature one on one win I should say. Winning the first ever women's TLC match was pretty big for her. First women’s Rumble isn’t a signature win? Honestly I'm going to say no, not really, given she was immediately overshadowed by Rousey, then spent the next two months on Raw being overshadowed by Nia, then lost in the second match of the night, then languished for most of the rest of the year. Asuka having won the Rumble has never been treated like it actually mattered.
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