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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jan 9, 2019 21:55:58 GMT -5
To put it quite simply Becky/Ronda is not something I can put in my main event of Mania as use that on posters as a selling point
Charlotte/Ronda is def something you can market you can put on a poster and expect a few views but you're obviously not selling the show based upon just those 2
Those 3 together in the main event is a huge boost to Becky's fame outside of wrestling and hope that gives you someone who can be box office
In the end if you are WWE and your basic goal is put Becky on a pedestal than you do the triple threat with her winning in the main event. However, having her defeat Ronda one on one in the middle of the card is just as effective for the casual audience because that cements her as top class in the eyes of the company
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Post by theironyuppie on Jan 9, 2019 22:03:11 GMT -5
To put it quite simply Becky/Ronda is not something I can put in my main event of Mania as use that on posters as a selling point Charlotte/Ronda is def something you can market you can put on a poster and expect a few views but you're obviously not selling the show based upon just those 2 Those 3 together in the main event is a huge boost to Becky's fame outside of wrestling and hope that gives you someone who can be box office In the end if you are WWE and your basic goal is put Becky on a pedestal than you do the triple threat with her winning in the main event. However, having her defeat Ronda one on one in the middle of the card is just as effective for the casual audience because that cements her as top class in the eyes of the company
Plus there's the Meltzer point that we don't know how long Ronda will staying around, so creating two 'legends' who main-evented Mania is better long-term booking than just one, even if that one is Becky.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jan 9, 2019 22:08:22 GMT -5
To put it quite simply Becky/Ronda is not something I can put in my main event of Mania as use that on posters as a selling point Charlotte/Ronda is def something you can market you can put on a poster and expect a few views but you're obviously not selling the show based upon just those 2 Those 3 together in the main event is a huge boost to Becky's fame outside of wrestling and hope that gives you someone who can be box office In the end if you are WWE and your basic goal is put Becky on a pedestal than you do the triple threat with her winning in the main event. However, having her defeat Ronda one on one in the middle of the card is just as effective for the casual audience because that cements her as top class in the eyes of the company
Plus there's the Meltzer point that we don't know how long Ronda will staying around, so creating two 'legends' who main-evented Mania is better long-term booking than just one, even if that one is Becky.
If you are doing a main event then yes that is the best option
However, if this is a straight up match in the middle of the card than Becky should be in there. As I said from a casual perspective having her defeat Ronda after stomping on Charlotte neck for a few month is the defining moment to say she's our girl
Becky has been protected heavily with letting her go on social media and TV and talk as much shit as she wants while still looking like a bad ass. She's been giving a lot more than people realize but the paranoia takes hold and the grudge against Charlotte rising back up clouds judgment
If the match is being put in the main event than you absolutely have to add Charlotte for that name value because in the end Becky is going over but if this is a match where you are featuring it heavily but it's not the match of the night than it's fine to have just Becky/Ronda and you always have a rematch in the future when Ronda returns
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Post by Dub H on Jan 9, 2019 22:32:36 GMT -5
To put it quite simply Becky/Ronda is not something I can put in my main event of Mania as use that on posters as a selling point Charlotte/Ronda is def something you can market you can put on a poster and expect a few views but you're obviously not selling the show based upon just those 2 Those 3 together in the main event is a huge boost to Becky's fame outside of wrestling and hope that gives you someone who can be box office In the end if you are WWE and your basic goal is put Becky on a pedestal than you do the triple threat with her winning in the main event. However, having her defeat Ronda one on one in the middle of the card is just as effective for the casual audience because that cements her as top class in the eyes of the company Plus there's the Meltzer point that we don't know how long Ronda will staying around, so creating two 'legends' who main-evented Mania is better long-term booking than just one, even if that one is Becky.
I dont think that will make her a legend,if all her accolades arent enough one more is just overkill. It might only diminish the others.All you have then is not the two legends who main evented wrestlemani and beat the bad-ass bitch Ronda,just two girls that main event in a triple threat match.The legend is the one that faces one-on-one and beats her.(I dont even think either charlotte or Becky are winning anyway,i`m pretty sure it is gonna be Ronda no matter the match) Like someone else said,just add Nia then,and Sasha.If creating legends by having main eventis the better choice,make it a four way then. I see the exact opposite in the selling,the poster selling is the one with Becky vs Ronda,she is the hot talk of wrestling. The one people will wonder why she is there is Charlotte vs Ronda.More important focusing on Becky is how you show you are listenign to the fans and focusing on what they want,that is how you make they believe Becky is on the top as they want.You dont want to send the message Becky yet again is connected to Charlotte or is gonna play second fiddle, she has to move on. It is not just marketing,it is building your hottest act.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Jan 9, 2019 22:35:22 GMT -5
Idk but I hope Ronda gets bodied either way. What a jabroni.
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Post by theironyuppie on Jan 9, 2019 22:42:55 GMT -5
Plus there's the Meltzer point that we don't know how long Ronda will staying around, so creating two 'legends' who main-evented Mania is better long-term booking than just one, even if that one is Becky.
I dont think that will make her a legend,if all her accolades arent enough one more is just overkill. It might only diminish the others.All you have then is not the two legends who main evented wrestlemani and beat the bad-ass bitch Ronda,just two girls that main event in a triple threat match.The legend is the one that faces one-on-one and beats her.(I dont even think either charlotte or Becky are winning anyway,i`m pretty sure it is gonna be Ronda no matter the match) Like someone else said,just add Nia then,and Sasha.If creating legends by having main eventis the better choice,make it a four way then. I see the exact opposite in the selling,the poster selling is the one with Becky vs Ronda,she is the hot talk of wrestling. The one people will wonder why she is there is Charlotte vs Ronda.More important focusing on Becky is how you show you are listenign to the fans and focusing on what they want,that is how you make they believe Becky is on the top as they want. It is not just marketing,it is building your hottest act.
WWE is already focusing on Becky. She already gets incredibly strong booking to back up all her boasting (she's had one clean loss in the last six months and never takes the fall on house shows), gets featured prominently in end-of-year specials (the New Day's show had a two-minute 'Becky is awesome' montage followed by a joke with a fifteen-foot Becky.), got presented as stronger than face-of-the-company John Cena, gets to troll everybody with her social media, is featured at the top of the company on their merchandise, etc:
Its not a zero-sum game--including Charlotte to help Becky doesn't take anything away from Becky. It wouldn't surprise me if WWE makes the fear that she's "stealing" Becky's chance part of the story (to create a more satisfying ending), but that's not the same thing as it being literally true.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2019 22:50:33 GMT -5
As I said in another thread, I've been as opposed as anyone to Charlotte getting forced into innumerable "historic" moments, but I'm fine with the idea of a Mania triple threat so long as she loses. It makes sense storyline-wise and it'll likely make for a more exciting match.
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Post by masterthought on Jan 10, 2019 0:30:33 GMT -5
Charlotte has 25 PPV wins in her career while Becky only has 7 ....freaking 7. Becky has only 2 PPV wins the last 2 year FFS. If you think a few months push for Becky after being giving nothing for 2 years is close to the push Charlotte got since Day 1, you're are insane. Charlotte has been in every SD Women's title match since September 2017. Yet Charlotte lost to Becky and still is keeps getting opportunities. That's a overpush and problem. BTW Becky and Charlotte both have 2 wins on PPV since Summerslam. Not like Becky's dominating
Oh I find it so hilarious that people are bringing up Charlotte earning everything on her own and then saying Charlotte's last name and Father Ric makes Charlotte more marketable at Mania then Becky. So what is it? Is she getting big matches because of her name or skill? Another thing is what mainstream did Charlotte vs Ronda get at Survivor Series? Ratings still went down and the next night on Raw all there was is Becky chants. You guys are overrating Charlotte's popularity badly. Charlotte being Ric's daughter has been going on for 4 years and Charlotte still isn't that over. Snoop Dogg is more famous than Ric and WWE doesn't pimp out Sasha being his cousin like they do with Charlotte being a Flair. If Ronda vs Charlotte was such a big draw then why didn't it main event Survivor Series over a heel vs heel match? Charlotte only draws because of her name is what i'm getting from this thread which is the whole reason Charlotte is over rated.
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Post by 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger on Jan 10, 2019 0:44:49 GMT -5
Oh I find it so hilarious that people are bringing up Charlotte earning everything on her own and then saying Charlotte's last name and Father Ric makes Charlotte more marketable at Mania then Becky. So what is it? Is she getting big matches because of her name or skill? The combination of both? Charlotte is probably the best wrestler on the women's roster between those four ropes.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2019 0:52:40 GMT -5
Charlotte has 25 PPV wins in her career while Becky only has 7 ....freaking 7. Becky has only 2 PPV wins the last 2 year FFS. If you think a few months push for Becky after being giving nothing for 2 years is close to the push Charlotte got since Day 1, you're are insane. Charlotte has been in every SD Women's title match since September 2017. Yet Charlotte lost to Becky and still is keeps getting opportunities. That's a overpush and problem. BTW Becky and Charlotte both have 2 wins on PPV since Summerslam. Not like Becky's dominating Oh I find it so hilarious that people are bringing up Charlotte earning everything on her own and then saying Charlotte's last name and Father Ric makes Charlotte more marketable at Mania then Becky. So what is it? Is she getting big matches because of her name or skill? Another thing is what mainstream did Charlotte vs Ronda get at Survivor Series? Ratings still went down and the next night on Raw all there was is Becky chants. You guys are overrating Charlotte's popularity badly. Charlotte being Ric's daughter has been going on for 4 years and Charlotte still isn't that over. Snoop Dogg is more famous than Ric and WWE doesn't pimp out Sasha being his cousin like they do with Charlotte being a Flair. If Ronda vs Charlotte was such a big draw then why didn't it main event Survivor Series over a heel vs heel match? Charlotte only draws because of her name is what i'm getting from this thread which is the whole reason Charlotte is over rated. A few months is enough time to build someone up. Regardless of Charlotte getting pushed since day one, that doesn’t retcon the fact that she’s been Becky’s punching bag since August, not getting any offense in at times. If their PPV numbers are even, don’t you think that’s a bit better than Charlotte having more than Becky in this feud? By the way, it’s both. She’s getting big because of her last name and the skills that she has. Believe or not, Charlotte has had some excellent matches with Sasha Banks, Becky, Asuka, Ronda, and the triple threat at TLC and SDL this past week. You can continue to say that she’s only getting ahead because of her name, but her skills are also heavily involved.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2019 1:03:47 GMT -5
You know, Meltzer said in November that the plan was Charlotte/Ronda/Becky at WM, he said it after TLC, he said it this week and so far everything's going according to plan. Given how receptive fans are to Becky and given how popular Charlotte and Ronda are, chances are that's not changing.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2019 1:08:41 GMT -5
You know, Meltzer said in November that the plan was Charlotte/Ronda/Becky at WM, he said it after TLC, he said it this week and so far everything's going according to plan. Given how receptive fans are to Becky and given how popular Charlotte and Ronda are, chances are that's not changing. And honestly, I’m fine with that if it’s the plan. You get multiple staredowns when one rolls out of the ring, and you just know the climax is either going to focus on Charlotte/Becky’s year long rivalry or Becky/Ronda’s alone time. Either way, the crowd is going to go ballistic if it’s the main event.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2019 1:10:51 GMT -5
You know, Meltzer said in November that the plan was Charlotte/Ronda/Becky at WM, he said it after TLC, he said it this week and so far everything's going according to plan. Given how receptive fans are to Becky and given how popular Charlotte and Ronda are, chances are that's not changing. And honestly, I’m fine with that if it’s the plan. You get multiple staredowns when one rolls out of the ring, and you just know the climax is either going to focus on Charlotte/Becky’s year long rivalry or Becky/Ronda’s alone time. Either way, the crowd is going to go ballistic if it’s the main event. Yep, fans will love it. Becky can be the mega-popular face people want to win, Charlotte can be the heels who people still cheer when she does something great, Ronda can be the popular babyface who's fighting to keep her titles. They'll love every piece of the match.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2019 1:15:05 GMT -5
And honestly, I’m fine with that if it’s the plan. You get multiple staredowns when one rolls out of the ring, and you just know the climax is either going to focus on Charlotte/Becky’s year long rivalry or Becky/Ronda’s alone time. Either way, the crowd is going to go ballistic if it’s the main event. Yep, fans will love it. Becky can be the mega-popular face people want to win, Charlotte can be the heels who people still cheer when she does something great, Ronda can be the popular babyface who's fighting to keep her titles. They'll love every piece of the match. Even if it isn’t the main event (considering Seth might very well need the “correnation” moment if he wins the rumble.) the crowd will still eat up every second of that match.
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Post by theironyuppie on Jan 10, 2019 6:15:22 GMT -5
Charlotte has 25 PPV wins in her career while Becky only has 7 ....freaking 7. Becky has only 2 PPV wins the last 2 year FFS. If you think a few months push for Becky after being giving nothing for 2 years is close to the push Charlotte got since Day 1, you're are insane. Charlotte has been in every SD Women's title match since September 2017. Yet Charlotte lost to Becky and still is keeps getting opportunities. That's a overpush and problem. BTW Becky and Charlotte both have 2 wins on PPV since Summerslam. Not like Becky's dominating Oh I find it so hilarious that people are bringing up Charlotte earning everything on her own and then saying Charlotte's last name and Father Ric makes Charlotte more marketable at Mania then Becky. So what is it? Is she getting big matches because of her name or skill? Another thing is what mainstream did Charlotte vs Ronda get at Survivor Series? Ratings still went down and the next night on Raw all there was is Becky chants. You guys are overrating Charlotte's popularity badly. Charlotte being Ric's daughter has been going on for 4 years and Charlotte still isn't that over. Snoop Dogg is more famous than Ric and WWE doesn't pimp out Sasha being his cousin like they do with Charlotte being a Flair. If Ronda vs Charlotte was such a big draw then why didn't it main event Survivor Series over a heel vs heel match? Charlotte only draws because of her name is what i'm getting from this thread which is the whole reason Charlotte is over rated. A few months is enough time to build someone up. Regardless of Charlotte getting pushed since day one, that doesn’t retcon the fact that she’s been Becky’s punching bag since August, not getting any offense in at times. If their PPV numbers are even, don’t you think that’s a bit better than Charlotte having more than Becky in this feud? By the way, it’s both. She’s getting big because of her last name and the skills that she has. Believe or not, Charlotte has had some excellent matches with Sasha Banks, Becky, Asuka, Ronda, and the triple threat at TLC and SDL this past week. You can continue to say that she’s only getting ahead because of her name, but her skills are also heavily involved.
This. It's also highly misleading saying 'they both won two matches' given Becky won hers clean, and both Charlotte wins (one of which was Becky DQing herself) ended with Becky laying her out immediately afterwards. That such a lopsided feud (on paper, its the most lopsided women's feud since Bayley/Bliss) has been such compelling viewing has been a testament to the great job both women have done.
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Post by Bo Rida on Jan 10, 2019 8:14:23 GMT -5
Becky's the man, she's not bothered by convention. Win the title, then win the rumble. There's still another belt to win.
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Jan 10, 2019 9:21:00 GMT -5
Charlotte has 25 PPV wins in her career while Becky only has 7 ....freaking 7. Becky has only 2 PPV wins the last 2 year FFS. If you think a few months push for Becky after being giving nothing for 2 years is close to the push Charlotte got since Day 1, you're are insane. Charlotte has been in every SD Women's title match since September 2017. Yet Charlotte lost to Becky and still is keeps getting opportunities. That's a overpush and problem. BTW Becky and Charlotte both have 2 wins on PPV since Summerslam. Not like Becky's dominating Oh I find it so hilarious that people are bringing up Charlotte earning everything on her own and then saying Charlotte's last name and Father Ric makes Charlotte more marketable at Mania then Becky. So what is it? Is she getting big matches because of her name or skill? Another thing is what mainstream did Charlotte vs Ronda get at Survivor Series? Ratings still went down and the next night on Raw all there was is Becky chants. You guys are overrating Charlotte's popularity badly. Charlotte being Ric's daughter has been going on for 4 years and Charlotte still isn't that over. Snoop Dogg is more famous than Ric and WWE doesn't pimp out Sasha being his cousin like they do with Charlotte being a Flair. If Ronda vs Charlotte was such a big draw then why didn't it main event Survivor Series over a heel vs heel match? Charlotte only draws because of her name is what i'm getting from this thread which is the whole reason Charlotte is over rated. PREACH. People claim Charlotte isn't only over because she's aping Ric's gimmick, but look at her prrsentation. She comes out to a remix of his music. She wears the robes. She shouts "Woo". She does the strut. She does the chops. Her finisher is a variation of the Figure Four. That would be like the Usos doing the full Rikishi gimmick.
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Post by Dub H on Jan 10, 2019 9:33:07 GMT -5
Charlotte has 25 PPV wins in her career while Becky only has 7 ....freaking 7. Becky has only 2 PPV wins the last 2 year FFS. If you think a few months push for Becky after being giving nothing for 2 years is close to the push Charlotte got since Day 1, you're are insane. Charlotte has been in every SD Women's title match since September 2017. Yet Charlotte lost to Becky and still is keeps getting opportunities. That's a overpush and problem. BTW Becky and Charlotte both have 2 wins on PPV since Summerslam. Not like Becky's dominating Oh I find it so hilarious that people are bringing up Charlotte earning everything on her own and then saying Charlotte's last name and Father Ric makes Charlotte more marketable at Mania then Becky. So what is it? Is she getting big matches because of her name or skill? Another thing is what mainstream did Charlotte vs Ronda get at Survivor Series? Ratings still went down and the next night on Raw all there was is Becky chants. You guys are overrating Charlotte's popularity badly. Charlotte being Ric's daughter has been going on for 4 years and Charlotte still isn't that over. Snoop Dogg is more famous than Ric and WWE doesn't pimp out Sasha being his cousin like they do with Charlotte being a Flair. If Ronda vs Charlotte was such a big draw then why didn't it main event Survivor Series over a heel vs heel match? Charlotte only draws because of her name is what i'm getting from this thread which is the whole reason Charlotte is over rated. PREACH. People claim Charlotte isn't only over because she's aping Ric's gimmick, but look at her prrsentation. She comes out to a remix of his music. She wears the robes. She shouts "Woo". She does the strut. She does the chops. Her finisher is a variation of the Figure Four. That would be like the Usos doing the full Rikishi gimmick. I wouldnt say ONLY but it is a part.She is really good in-ring(besides that really bad flip she does,she is like the Reverse Nikki,she has a really bad move and everything else is great).As I said before,i dont believe name alone can make someone over. The worst part is i remember when she debuted she was talking "she is not going to be a copy of her father" or something like that. But Charlotte wasnt even that over until this Becky feud.In the end thanks to their awesome matches and attitude change she got more over.If it will last I dont know but right now its a good thing for her
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2019 11:40:36 GMT -5
They’d be big dumb if they choose Lesnar/Rollins, and I love Rollins slaying the beast. The women’s time is now, you’ve got three draws in a badass, a psycho, and a hard working champion. You’ve got two who have been intertwined with one another to the hip in 2018, followed by two people who the people who have been chomping at the bit to see fight.
How poetic would the Becky/Charlotte feud be if it climaxes in the main event of wrestlemania? Each three have a goal, one wants to prove that being the true “good guy” can pay off, one wants to prove that she isn’t a flash in the pan, one wants to prove that she can still win the big one. It all works out IMO, way more than “_____ slays the beast at Mania M.E #3”
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Post by Dub H on Jan 10, 2019 11:55:14 GMT -5
They’d be big dumb if they choose Lesnar/Rollins, and I love Rollins slaying the beast. The women’s time is now, you’ve got three draws in a badass, a psycho, and a hard working champion. You’ve got two who have been intertwined with one another to the hip in 2018, followed by two people who the people who have been chomping at the bit to see fight. How poetic would the Becky/Charlotte feud be if it climaxes in the main event of wrestlemania? Each three have a goal, one wants to prove that being the true “good guy” can pay off, one wants to prove that she isn’t a flash in the pan, one wants to prove that she can still win the big one. It all works out IMO, way more than “_____ slays the beast at Mania M.E #3” We can agree there. The Triple Threat is still a much bigger deal than the same old rehashed Lesnar and Shield and tells a much better story.
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