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Post by Saiyanic Panic on Jan 10, 2019 15:06:17 GMT -5
I don't mind Charlotte being in there. The match will prolly be great. By all rights the night's MAIN main event.
It's a total stop-gap though. I think she's the fallgal so Becky doesn't directly lose and Ronda gets a WrestleMania win, barring this being an elimination match. I don't buy the narrative that this is to make Becky look better by vanquishing the two of them. This is to save Rousey/Lynch for another day.
Which I see the wisdom of but wish they weren't doing.
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Post by Dub H on Jan 10, 2019 15:30:33 GMT -5
Many people here express similar view,she is popular now yes,that doesnt mean most people that every week are chanting Becky want Charlotte there.I mean all this started BECAUSE people wanted Becky and not Charlotte! if it gets in the main event because of Charlotte it speaks more of the WWE than anything and that is a big point.Becky vs Ronda itself is the main event. Maybe it sours YOU that Charlotte is not that welcome and YOU want to see her in the main event? No?So lets not attack others please. Could I be wrong?Absolutely. there is great points made against it. What exactly does it say about the WWE when they want to stick the 2nd or 3rd most over woman on the roster in their main event on the biggest show? For as many people there are that chant Becky, there are a ton who Woo and go along with Charlotte. I was even taken aback with how over she still was on Tuesday despite the Becky feud. We already talked alot about that(she is not as over ,thje story doesnt need,she right her many moments,all that was said many times). .Right now she is over and I wont deny,it doesnt mean you need to be inserted in the match. I dont think the two sides will agree on this matter.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2019 15:35:16 GMT -5
Charlotte’s good but Ronda/Becky are way bigger draws and a one on one match between them would be a bigger deal than a diluted 3 way.
It would be like adding Triple H or Kurt Angle to Rock/Austin in 2001. Sure they were both feuding with Rock/Austin at the time so it would've made sense from a story perspective and the match would've still been great (maybe even better) match quality wise, but the two biggest stars facing off is always going to be bigger than a multi person match.
If it ends up being a triple threat I’d guess it’s purely because they don’t want the first women’s Wrestlemania main event to not feature Charlotte Flair.
Plus, Charlotte v Becky v third person in a triple threat has already been done recently at Summerslam and TLC. Hell, it was done this week on TV.
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Post by abjordans on Jan 10, 2019 15:50:24 GMT -5
Dude, Charlotte is over as hell and extremely popular. She helps get this match the main event. This sours YOUR plans. Many people here express similar view,she is popular now yes,that doesnt mean most people that every week are chanting Becky want Charlotte there.I mean all this started BECAUSE people wanted Becky and not Charlotte! if it gets in the main event because of Charlotte it speaks more of the WWE than anything and that is a big point.Becky vs Ronda itself is the main event. Maybe it sours YOU that Charlotte is not that welcome and YOU want to see her in the main event? No?So lets not attack others please. Could I be wrong?Absolutely. there is great points made against it. This is a small board, the views here don’t correspond to the couple million people who watch WWE. If you go to a much larger community, such as r/squaredcircle (which has a couple 100k active users), they are much less down on the idea of the match. I am not attacking, but you are acting as if your thoughts and the thoughts of some in here speak for everyone who watches. And I am ok with either match really, but I 1.) am not going to pretend like Charlotte isn’t over when she clearly is and B.) not going to act as if she doesn’t deserve the match and act as if it doesn’t make sense for her to be in the match.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2019 15:51:52 GMT -5
The thing with the "Becky/Ronda is better than Becky/Charlotte/Ronda" opinion is that I haven't seen any solid arguments for that which present more positives compared to the triple threat or solid arguments in general regarding it that's not feeling based. I'm seeing comments on how people like the story better, I'm seeing how people dislike Charlotte, I'm seeing how people love Becky compared to anything beyond that. I'm not seeing anything that gives Becky the biggest accomplishment possible which would help her the most, comments that potentially give additional views, anything about it having the best match quality, I'm not seeing anything that's factoring the entire story of Charlotte/Becky and Ronda herself from that position. Hell, someone even mentioned Charlotte facing Becky later on down the year or another triple threat down the year with these three without factoring in the fact that Becky needs new opponents rather than these two...see stuff like that doesn't make sense to me. No offense to anyone who wants that singles match, I get it and you have my respect but that's just what I'm seeing here. I wish I thought that way (as someone who likes Becky waaaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy more than the other 2) but I'm not seeing anything that's making me want it more. Respect to yall who want it but yeah, I just see way more positives for the triple threat than with the single's match as a whole. I'd be on that side if it made sense but yeah it's not giving as many overall positives compared to that triple threat.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2019 16:16:55 GMT -5
The thing with the "Becky/Ronda is better than Becky/Charlotte/Ronda" opinion is that I haven't seen any solid arguments for that which present more positives compared to the triple threat or solid arguments in general regarding it that's not feeling based. I'm seeing comments on how people like the story better, I'm seeing how people dislike Charlotte, I'm seeing how people love Becky compared to anything beyond that. I'm not seeing anything that gives Becky the biggest accomplishment possible which would help her the most, comments that potentially give additional views, anything about it having the best match quality, I'm not seeing anything that's factoring the entire story of Charlotte/Becky and Ronda herself from that position. Hell, someone even mentioned Charlotte facing Becky later on down the year or another triple threat down the year with these three without factoring in the fact that Becky needs new opponents rather than these two...see stuff like that doesn't make sense to me. No offense to anyone who wants that singles match, I get it and you have my respect but that's just what I'm seeing here. I wish I thought that way (as someone who likes Becky waaaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy more than the other 2) but I'm not seeing anything that's making me want it more. Respect to yall who want it but yeah, I just see way more positives for the triple threat than with the single's match as a whole. I'd be on that side if it made sense but yeah it's not giving as many overall positives compared to that triple threat.
Yeah, I love Becky way more than Charlotte and Ronda, but the money is the triple threat. And the buzz would still be there to see Becky kick Ronda’s ass and vice versa but also adding in the wildcard of Charlotte. Ronda has proved she can go, and both Becky/Charlotte showed that they can knock multi-women matches out of the park. I’m just not seeing the downside here aside from not getting the singles match at Mania, but that’s literally all that there is. And even IF Ronda wins, there’s the incentive for a rematch at SSlam. It may not be at Mania, but at least it might still happen later on down the road.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2019 16:18:14 GMT -5
Charlotte’s good but Ronda/Becky are way bigger draws and a one on one match between them would be a bigger deal than a diluted 3 way. It would be like adding Triple H or Kurt Angle to Rock/Austin in 2001. Sure they were both feuding with Rock/Austin at the time so it would've made sense from a story perspective and the match would've still been great (maybe even better) match quality wise, but the two biggest stars facing off is always going to be bigger than a multi person match. If it ends up being a triple threat I’d guess it’s purely because they don’t want the first women’s Wrestlemania main event to not feature Charlotte Flair. Plus, Charlotte v Becky v third person in a triple threat has already been done recently at Summerslam and TLC. Hell, it was done this week on TV. And they knocked it out of the park each time, surely one more wouldn’t hurt, especially when it involves a blood feud with two former friends and a fighting champion looking to prove herself in the Main Event.
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Post by Dub H on Jan 10, 2019 18:46:03 GMT -5
Many people here express similar view,she is popular now yes,that doesnt mean most people that every week are chanting Becky want Charlotte there.I mean all this started BECAUSE people wanted Becky and not Charlotte! if it gets in the main event because of Charlotte it speaks more of the WWE than anything and that is a big point.Becky vs Ronda itself is the main event. Maybe it sours YOU that Charlotte is not that welcome and YOU want to see her in the main event? No?So lets not attack others please. Could I be wrong?Absolutely. there is great points made against it. This is a small board, the views here don’t correspond to the couple million people who watch WWE. If you go to a much larger community, such as r/squaredcircle (which has a couple 100k active users), they are much less down on the idea of the match. I am not attacking, but you are acting as if your thoughts and the thoughts of some in here speak for everyone who watches. And I am ok with either match really, but I 1.) am not going to pretend like Charlotte isn’t over when she clearly is and B.) not going to act as if she doesn’t deserve the match and act as if it doesn’t make sense for her to be in the match. I say we as the people sharing my opinion. That is all,since I am clearly much more involved in the discusison which probbaly my B on trying to argue with so many people at once. Youa re the only one that sees that way ,but I could ahve given the wrong impression. if I try to speak in popularity it is from the reactions I see. The last real comparison of overness I had with Charlotte was with becky and Asuka,and both girls were always much more loved from the reactions.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2019 23:22:19 GMT -5
Good news to yall who want Ronda/Becky, you still get your match. Smart idea. That's what they should do. They know there's more money in the triple threat hence why it's at WM. I'm guessing this is the FastLane match.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Jan 11, 2019 0:02:20 GMT -5
Oh I find it so hilarious that people are bringing up Charlotte earning everything on her own and then saying Charlotte's last name and Father Ric makes Charlotte more marketable at Mania then Becky. So what is it? Is she getting big matches because of her name or skill? The combination of both? Charlotte is probably the best wrestler on the women's roster between those four ropes. The Queen is the GOAT.
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Jan 11, 2019 0:14:37 GMT -5
Good news to yall who want Ronda/Becky, you still get your match. Smart idea. That's what they should do. They know there's more money in the triple threat hence why it's at WM. I'm guessing this is the FastLane match. That's not good news. It's giving away the desired Mania match ahead of time so they can justify cramming Charlotte into the WrestleMania main event.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2019 0:23:08 GMT -5
Good news to yall who want Ronda/Becky, you still get your match. Smart idea. That's what they should do. They know there's more money in the triple threat hence why it's at WM. I'm guessing this is the FastLane match. That's not good news. It's giving away the desired Mania match ahead of time so they can justify cramming Charlotte into the WrestleMania main event. It’s giving three well established, amazing talents a chance to steal the show, rock the crowd with their respective fan bases, and tie up multiple rivalries. One that’s been building since SSlam, one since after Evolution, and one since SSeries. Plus, this Ronda/Becky singles match before Mania thing isn’t set in stone just yet
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2019 0:44:32 GMT -5
Good news to yall who want Ronda/Becky, you still get your match. Smart idea. That's what they should do. They know there's more money in the triple threat hence why it's at WM. I'm guessing this is the FastLane match. That's not good news. It's giving away the desired Mania match ahead of time so they can justify cramming Charlotte into the WrestleMania main event. Desired for who? I bet that when Ronda/Becky is announced for Fast Lane I bet that the crowd will love it and everything during the match up until the end. People have been saying they want Ronda/Becky with Becky as champion, they haven't been saying "we want to see it at WM." I'm also positive we'll see Charlotte interfering making her the biggest heel in the entire women's division.
That's a problem that I'm seeing here. Yall aren't understanding that there will be a clear heel in the match and that Charlotte's being planted as the heel. They're not turning Ronda heel yet, they're not turning Becky, they're not doing another women's "everyone is a face here guys wink wink" thing they've practically done for multiple womens matches WM these past few years, they need someone to take the fall and that's Charlotte, she's in this for a multitude of reasons and that's one of them. This "cramming Charlotte into the match" thing is taking a way a lot of planning and is overlooking numerous circumstances due to people's feelings for Charlotte. That, again like I said in my other post, is feelings based. From a storyline perspective and from a perspective that makes Becky look as big of a badass as possible this works. Charlotte being in this match is actually going to help Becky more and people have a problem with it because it's Charlotte rather than saying "the more help Becky gets the better?"
Nah bruh, that's not dope.
That's not good news. It's giving away the desired Mania match ahead of time so they can justify cramming Charlotte into the WrestleMania main event. It’s giving three well established, amazing talents a chance to steal the show, rock the crowd with their respective fan bases, and tie up multiple rivalries. One that’s been building since SSlam, one since after Evolution, and one since SSeries. Plus, this Ronda/Becky singles match before Mania thing isn’t set in stone just yet I can't believe people are actually against Becky being seen as a bigger badass, a greater champion and having more eyes on her, having a better match and solidifying her legacy on the greatest stage of them all against the 2 most dominant women in this company these past 3 years...all because one of them is Charlotte. Even though Charlotte's going to lose. Even though Becky's going to beat Charlotte and Ronda at the same time. Even though Becky wasn't even factored into this as of a few months ago. Even though this will solidify Becky as THE supreme star and she'll wipe the slate clean of Charlotte, compared to prior if it wasn't Charlotte we'd see Charlotte/Becky again.
Even though Charlotte's been the woman who's pretty much been the defactor leader of the women's division since she stepped up to the main roster and this is a grand way for the torch to be passed.
Like, at this point I wonder if it's even about how this will make Becky look and what's best for her and her future compared to people only liking that one story . This will be the best thing for Becky at the end of the day compared to anything else given this will give her the greater result.
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Post by 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger on Jan 11, 2019 1:10:40 GMT -5
Good news to yall who want Ronda/Becky, you still get your match. Smart idea. That's what they should do. They know there's more money in the triple threat hence why it's at WM. I'm guessing this is the FastLane match. That's not good news. It's giving away the desired Mania match ahead of time so they can justify cramming Charlotte into the WrestleMania main event. If anything they’re cramming Becky in. Charlotte/Ronda has been hinted at for almost an entire year
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Post by Mayonnaise on Jan 11, 2019 1:24:52 GMT -5
Some of y'all are assuming an awful lot for something that will be changed on daily basis between now and whatever the Monday before WM is. And the condescending tone y'all are taking is only making it worse. Pease remember your opinion is just that, an opinion. So I ask you to please stop beating people over the head with it, tone it down a few notches, and be open for a discussion on your opinion. Thank you.
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Post by kidkamikaze10 on Jan 11, 2019 2:34:54 GMT -5
To me, the simple reason I'd rather see a singles match than a triple threat is that singles matches are better.
Marketing wise, triple threat is a better idea.
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Jan 11, 2019 9:20:49 GMT -5
That's not good news. It's giving away the desired Mania match ahead of time so they can justify cramming Charlotte into the WrestleMania main event. If anything they’re cramming Becky in. Charlotte/Ronda has been hinted at for almost an entire year But that match already happened at Survivor Series, and Becky unexpectedly blew up huge. She's the biggest star in the company, which is an accolade Charlotte could never stake claim to. You always hear "plans change", but what it really means is "plans change unless you're Charlotte Flair or Roman Reigns". Not trying to dig at Roman, but just point out the booking. Those two characters are pushed relentlessly to the point that it defies logic.
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Post by eJm on Jan 11, 2019 10:36:06 GMT -5
Some of y'all are assuming an awful lot for something that will be changed on daily basis between now and whatever the Monday before WM is. This is Vince we’re talking about. For all we know, it could be a 6 way with Bayley, Banks and Jax for no other reason except they dropped the idea of the women’s tag belts. Who the f*** knows?
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Post by Dub H on Jan 11, 2019 11:06:16 GMT -5
Good news to yall who want Ronda/Becky, you still get your match. Smart idea. That's what they should do. They know there's more money in the triple threat hence why it's at WM. I'm guessing this is the FastLane match. I mean it is still not the desiredmatch,the build aint the same,the presentantion aint the same,it is not the culmination of the story just another chapter in the middle. And not sure if it even is a good idea Because either Ronda or Becky loses and they walk into the triple threat as the "lesser danger" or we have another dirty finish(which is the most likely result,like Charlotte attacks both,or a rehash of how Charlotte beat Ronda up). You dont treat the money match up in a middle of the road PPV>
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2019 11:23:57 GMT -5
Good news to yall who want Ronda/Becky, you still get your match. Smart idea. That's what they should do. They know there's more money in the triple threat hence why it's at WM. I'm guessing this is the FastLane match. I mean it is still not the desiredmatch,the build aint the same,the presentantion aint the same,it is not the culmination of the story just another chapter in the middle. And not sure if it even is a good idea Because either Ronda or Becky loses and they walk into the triple threat as the "lesser danger" or we have another dirty finish(which is the most likely result,like Charlotte attacks both,or a rehash of how Charlotte beat Ronda up). You dont treat the money match up in a middle of the road PPV> Meltzer's comments in this week's Observer about the triple threat's pretty much what I've been saying about this.
You're free to have your opinion but the triple threat's where the money is and it helps all 3 women out more. What'll likely happen is Charlotte interrupts the match making her the biggest heel in the company giving someone to boo in the match because people aren't booing Becky, might not boo Ronda much but Charlotte can be the one to get the brunt of it. Somebody's gonna get booed, that's just how the nature of the beast goes. Makes sense to me that you put Charlotte there to keep Ronda a face and keep her strong afterwards while Becky can be the best and Charlotte be the mega-heel.
There's just different factors in play if you look at it at a whole compared to the "Becky beating Ronda at WM to become the best" storyline. That'll happen regardless, that's a more simple storyline but it's not the one that has the most benefits that'll help the division in the long run.
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