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Post by Lupin the Third on Jan 11, 2019 23:47:09 GMT -5
Linkara did it first, er, before...
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Post by Rumble McSkirmish on Jan 11, 2019 23:57:19 GMT -5
Linkara did it first, er, before... If this somehow leads to Linkara doing a CM Punk impression for his annual April Fools video, he will forever become my favorite Internet critic of all time.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Jan 12, 2019 0:44:08 GMT -5
Liefeld is the veteran and he is to be respected by a rookie writer like Punk. That's not a real rule. In my opinion it is in this case. Liefeld might be horrible but he sold a lot of comics, Punk not so much. If you’re on the comic business you only get to make fun of him if you’re his equal or his superior, not a scrub writer like Punk.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Jan 12, 2019 0:50:40 GMT -5
Posted without comment. Vince would wet himself if he was real. The problem with that is not necessarily the torso... if you consider it 3/4 turned towards you... the problem is EVERYTHING ELSE. his shoulder is missing his neck is in the wrong place, his head is tiny, his visible shoulder is HUGE... etc.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Jan 12, 2019 0:52:11 GMT -5
Punk's talk about Image is all about 90's Image... which I guess for the AEW starting up makes some sense...
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Jan 12, 2019 6:22:54 GMT -5
In my opinion it is in this case. Liefeld might be horrible but he sold a lot of comics, Punk not so much. If you’re on the comic business you only get to make fun of him if you’re his equal or his superior, not a scrub writer like Punk. That is a ridiculous 'rule'. If you apply it to comics,only a tiny number of artists and writers would be allowed to voice an opinion, most of whom haven't really seen that sort of success since the 90s, the era their antics, you know, damn near killed the business by overhyping mediocre derivative comics and boosting sales artificially with an endless stream of #1 issues with gold holofoil embossed scratch and sniff reality bending proof of god variants designed to prey on an unsustainable speculator market. Apply that rule to wrestling and Hogan and Warrior become virtually beyond reproach as nobody currently active in the business can claim that level of success. That's how silly it is.
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Jan 12, 2019 12:25:12 GMT -5
Liefeld is the veteran and he is to be respected by a rookie writer like Punk. That's not a real rule. that's not a rule in ANYTHING lol. you're not entitled to respect. dignity, sure. not respect, though. Liefeld's still the goober who threw a tantrum when his marty stu he stopped writing years ago was confirmed to be bisexual.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Jan 12, 2019 12:25:44 GMT -5
In my opinion it is in this case. Liefeld might be horrible but he sold a lot of comics, Punk not so much. If you’re on the comic business you only get to make fun of him if you’re his equal or his superior, not a scrub writer like Punk. That is a ridiculous 'rule'. If you apply it to comics,only a tiny number of artists and writers would be allowed to voice an opinion, most of whom haven't really seen that sort of success since the 90s, the era their antics, you know, damn near killed the business by overhyping mediocre derivative comics and boosting sales artificially with an endless stream of #1 issues with gold holofoil embossed scratch and sniff reality bending proof of god variants designed to prey on an unsustainable speculator market. Apply that rule to wrestling and Hogan and Warrior become virtually beyond reproach as nobody currently active in the business can claim that level of success. That's how silly it is. In all fairness Liefeld wasn’t the only one responsible for the comic book crash of the nineties, I blame editorial decisions for the bullshit multiple covers and scamming the fans. Todd Macfarlane explained it the best in my opinion, he said that in the nineties marvel and dc thought that the genre was more popular than what it truly was and that’s why such practices took place. I think that you can criticize other artists or writers, but if you’re a mediocre writer yourself like Punk, he’s gonna come off as silly since he doesn’t have Liefeld’s credentials. Going to your Warrior and Hogan example, you can criticize them for their personal life but if a rookie wrestler would criticize their accomplishments in wrestling well that would be weak.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Jan 12, 2019 12:27:06 GMT -5
that's not a rule in ANYTHING lol. you're not entitled to respect. dignity, sure. not respect, though. Liefeld's still the goober who threw a tantrum when his marty stu he stopped writing years ago was confirmed to be bisexual. I didn’t know that. f*** Liefeld forget everything I said, sigh.
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Post by Joe Neglia on Jan 12, 2019 13:04:30 GMT -5
Respect is earned, not gained by seniority, no matter what field. No one has to feel compelled to respect 20-year vet and mega-tracer Greg Land. No one has to feel compelled to respect a misogynist Dave Sim or a gone-off-the-rails Frank Miller just because of how long they've been in the business. It isn't mandatory to not call out Bob Kane for all of his assholery dating back to the 1930s just because he "created" Batman. I wrote for Marvel for 10 years, no one should feel compelled to respect me simply because of that.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Jan 12, 2019 14:00:27 GMT -5
That is a ridiculous 'rule'. If you apply it to comics,only a tiny number of artists and writers would be allowed to voice an opinion, most of whom haven't really seen that sort of success since the 90s, the era their antics, you know, damn near killed the business by overhyping mediocre derivative comics and boosting sales artificially with an endless stream of #1 issues with gold holofoil embossed scratch and sniff reality bending proof of god variants designed to prey on an unsustainable speculator market. Apply that rule to wrestling and Hogan and Warrior become virtually beyond reproach as nobody currently active in the business can claim that level of success. That's how silly it is. In all fairness Liefeld wasn’t the only one responsible for the comic book crash of the nineties, I blame editorial decisions for the bullshit multiple covers and scamming the fans. Todd Macfarlane explained it the best in my opinion, he said that in the nineties marvel and dc thought that the genre was more popular than what it truly was and that’s why such practices took place. I think that you can criticize other artists or writers, but if you’re a mediocre writer yourself like Punk, he’s gonna come off as silly since he doesn’t have Liefeld’s credentials. Going to your Warrior and Hogan example, you can criticize them for their personal life but if a rookie wrestler would criticize their accomplishments in wrestling well that would be weak. Name one great work Rob Liefeld has done in the past 25 years,name one great work Rob Liefeld can claim solo credit for for that matter. He has spent decades churning out derivative crap, cheating people and bringing absolutely nothing to the table and yes, he was one of many who brought the comic market crashing down, but he was still a MAJOR factor in Valiant's fate with his constant delays and bullpoop because he wanted to be a celebrity, not an artist, their EIC had to camp out on Liefeld's doorstep to finally get a heavily delayed issue finally completed. I've never read Punk's comic writing so I can't comment on the quality, and somehow I doubt you have either, but I have seen and read Liefeld's work, it's crap. You don't need to have sold 1 million comics to speculators that are worth less than their cover price in the present day to be able to say that crap is crap. Liefeld has coasted for decades on the fact he's been able to hire better writers to polish his artistic turds, and that better artistic and writing teams have salvaged his characters once he's out of the picture. He hasn't improved since the 90s, he hasn't altered to fit with the times, improved in any way, he's gotten worse overall, despite occasional flashes that he's capable of doing so much better, I don't think I've ever seen you defend a guy like Disco Inferno when he gets insulted by a worker with a fraction of his experience and success so I'm not sure why on earth you would believe that someone like Punk can't criticise a trainwreck like Liefeld. For someone who moans constantly about all the crappy behaviour and conmen in wrestling, you ure are keen to apply 'unwritten' wrestling lockerroom rules to certain people and talent. Seniority does not mean you are above criticism, not in wrestling, comics or any profession,
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Jan 12, 2019 14:27:35 GMT -5
In all fairness Liefeld wasn’t the only one responsible for the comic book crash of the nineties, I blame editorial decisions for the bullshit multiple covers and scamming the fans. Todd Macfarlane explained it the best in my opinion, he said that in the nineties marvel and dc thought that the genre was more popular than what it truly was and that’s why such practices took place. I think that you can criticize other artists or writers, but if you’re a mediocre writer yourself like Punk, he’s gonna come off as silly since he doesn’t have Liefeld’s credentials. Going to your Warrior and Hogan example, you can criticize them for their personal life but if a rookie wrestler would criticize their accomplishments in wrestling well that would be weak. Name one great work Rob Liefeld has done in the past 25 years,name one great work Rob Liefeld can claim solo credit for for that matter. He has spent decades churning out derivative crap, cheating people and bringing absolutely nothing to the table and yes, he was one of many who brought the comic market crashing down, but he was still a MAJOR factor in Valiant's fate with his constant delays and bullpoop because he wanted to be a celebrity, not an artist, their EIC had to camp out on Liefeld's doorstep to finally get a heavily delayed issue finally completed. I've never read Punk's comic writing so I can't comment on the quality, and somehow I doubt you have either, but I have seen and read Liefeld's work, it's crap. You don't need to have sold 1 million comics to speculators that are worth less than their cover price in the present day to be able to say that crap is crap. Liefeld has coasted for decades on the fact he's been able to hire better writers to polish his artistic turds, and that better artistic and writing teams have salvaged his characters once he's out of the picture. He hasn't improved since the 90s, he hasn't altered to fit with the times, improved in any way, he's gotten worse overall, despite occasional flashes that he's capable of doing so much better, I don't think I've ever seen you defend a guy like Disco Inferno when he gets insulted by a worker with a fraction of his experience and success so I'm not sure why on earth you would believe that someone like Punk can't criticise a trainwreck like Liefeld. For someone who moans constantly about all the crappy behaviour and conmen in wrestling, you ure are keen to apply 'unwritten' wrestling lockerroom rules to certain people and talent. Seniority does not mean you are above criticism, not in wrestling, comics or any profession, I read CM Punk’s Drax run and it was mediocre at best, from a creative standpoint he has no business mocking Rob Liefeld when Punk hasn’t accomplished anything yet. I’m sorry you’re right I should defend Disco Inferno, if he was only great at one point in his career and not a bitch flunkie I would do it more often. I don’t call what I do moaning, more like complaining and bitching but not moaning my good man. Back to the matter at hand, he’s horrible and washed up, but Rob Liefeld has accomplished more in his life in comics more than CM Punk can ever dream off accomplishing.
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Post by Joe Neglia on Jan 12, 2019 14:30:59 GMT -5
I read CM Punk’s Drax run and it was mediocre at best, from a creative standpoint he has no business mocking Rob Liefeld when Punk hasn’t accomplished anything yet. So what you're saying is that, from a creative standpoint, you have no business mocking Punk when you haven't accomplished anything yet? This rabbit hole goes pretty far, and why the whole "respect the elder regardless" mentality doesn't work.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Jan 12, 2019 14:36:23 GMT -5
I read CM Punk’s Drax run and it was mediocre at best, from a creative standpoint he has no business mocking Rob Liefeld when Punk hasn’t accomplished anything yet. So what you're saying is that, from a creative standpoint, you have no business mocking Punk when you haven't accomplished anything yet? This rabbit hole goes pretty far, and why the whole "respect the elder regardless" mentality doesn't work. Because I’m just a nobody a fan. But if I was an aspiring writer I couldn’t mock him because I have nothing to show for it and Punk’s credits would be superior to mine. I’m talking Punk and Liefeld being in the comic book business. Punk should respect people more accomplished than him in comics since his work is nothing to brag about. It’s like when Crimson from tna tried to shit on Goldberg and Goldberg just tweeted him back “I’m sorry and you are?”
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Post by Joe Neglia on Jan 12, 2019 14:43:48 GMT -5
So what you're saying is that, from a creative standpoint, you have no business mocking Punk when you haven't accomplished anything yet? This rabbit hole goes pretty far, and why the whole "respect the elder regardless" mentality doesn't work. Because I’m just a nobody a fan. But if I was an aspiring writer I couldn’t mock him because I have nothing to show for it and Punk’s credits would be superior to mine. I’m talking Punk and Liefeld being in the comic book business. Punk should respect people more accomplished than him in comics since his work is nothing to brag about. It’s like when Crimson from tna tried to shit on Goldberg and Goldberg just tweeted him back “I’m sorry and you are?” So what happens if one day you stumble into the business? Let's say you do, just for argument's sake. Are you going to instantly love Liefeld? That will mean you have to adore and respect Punk too. This isn't how respect works.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Jan 12, 2019 15:03:11 GMT -5
Because I’m just a nobody a fan. But if I was an aspiring writer I couldn’t mock him because I have nothing to show for it and Punk’s credits would be superior to mine. I’m talking Punk and Liefeld being in the comic book business. Punk should respect people more accomplished than him in comics since his work is nothing to brag about. It’s like when Crimson from tna tried to shit on Goldberg and Goldberg just tweeted him back “I’m sorry and you are?” So what happens if one day you stumble into the business? Let's say you do, just for argument's sake. Are you going to instantly love Liefeld? That will mean you have to adore and respect Punk too. This isn't how respect works. No I don’t have to love them but I would look stupid mocking them if as a writer I have nothing to show for it. Respect is not about loving someone it’s about admitting that their shit worked and sold a lot of shit regardless of how bad it was. CM Punk is a rookie writer with little credits to his name while Liefeld’s work revolutionized the medium for better or worse. If Punk wants to mock Liefeld’s business practices or being an asshole he can but not his work when Punk hasn’t accomplished anything yet.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Jan 12, 2019 15:04:53 GMT -5
I read CM Punk’s Drax run and it was mediocre at best, from a creative standpoint he has no business mocking Rob Liefeld when Punk hasn’t accomplished anything yet. I’m sorry you’re right I should defend Disco Inferno, if he was only great at one point in his career and not a bitch flunkie I would do it more often. I don’t call what I do moaning, more like complaining and bitching but not moaning my good man. Back to the matter at hand, he’s horrible and washed up, but Rob Liefeld has accomplished more in his life in comics more than CM Punk can ever dream off accomplishing. Mediocre at best is better than anything Rob Liefeld has ever written or drawn, I'm sorry, Liefeld is a turd other people have polished, just like Warrior. You like to selectively defend and quote mediocre talents and yes men when you think you can use it to bash a different talent you dislike for whatever reason, inventing 'rules' of behaviour which you don't apply across the board. Disco Inferno has as much right to criticise the majority of modern talent according to your rules, because he's been n wrestling longer and has made more money. ' Rob Liefeld's biggest accomplishment is being a big part of nearly killing the industry and spending the decades that followed as a punchline, I'm sure that's something everyone who gets into comics because they love the medium aspires to becoming.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Jan 12, 2019 15:20:56 GMT -5
I read CM Punk’s Drax run and it was mediocre at best, from a creative standpoint he has no business mocking Rob Liefeld when Punk hasn’t accomplished anything yet. I’m sorry you’re right I should defend Disco Inferno, if he was only great at one point in his career and not a bitch flunkie I would do it more often. I don’t call what I do moaning, more like complaining and bitching but not moaning my good man. Back to the matter at hand, he’s horrible and washed up, but Rob Liefeld has accomplished more in his life in comics more than CM Punk can ever dream off accomplishing. Mediocre at best is better than anything Rob Liefeld has ever written or drawn, I'm sorry, Liefeld is a turd other people have polished, just like Warrior. You like to selectively defend and quote mediocre talents and yes men when you think you can use it to bash a different talent you dislike for whatever reason, inventing 'rules' of behaviour which you don't apply across the board. Disco Inferno has as much right to criticise the majority of modern talent according to your rules, because he's been n wrestling longer and has made more money. ' Rob Liefeld's biggest accomplishment is being a big part of nearly killing the industry and spending the decades that followed as a punchline, I'm sure that's something everyone who gets into comics because they love the medium aspires to becoming. CM Punk’s Drax was better than xforce, Deadpool or Hawk and Dove?? Get the f*** outta here. Disco can criticize whoever he wants although I’m not sure if he ever drew any money And as I said before Liefeld wasn’t the only responsible person for what happened in the nineties, there were a lot of editors and artist that had a bigger hand than him. Other than that you’re right, Liefeld is the Ultimate Warrior of comics but he drew money something that Punk as a writer has not done yet.
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Post by Dub H on Jan 12, 2019 15:38:15 GMT -5
The idea that only because you dont do something as well you cant critique is ridiculous.
Plus its not Phil Brooks the Writer calling out Liefield,he is just one more fan of comics that see how ridiculous Liefeld is, exploding things way out of proportion.
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Post by nickcave on Jan 12, 2019 16:07:55 GMT -5
I don't even think Punk was being that serious, he was just joking around on Twitter like people do and Liefeld responded and it seems like both were good humored about it. Punk has a right to his opinion on Liefeld just as I and everyone else do. Just because Liefeld has more experience than him in comics doesn't mean Punk forfeits his right to an opinion. Linkara wrote some webcomics that by all accounts are not that great yet you wouldn't say he's not allowed to make videos critiquing Liefeld's work because Liefeld is more successful than him as an artist.
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