Ivelisse says LU are refusing to release her from contract

[héad.casé]

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I initially thought it was a possible no-compete clause but after Joey Ryan chimed in I am damn sure like it always is that this is completely on Dorian.

Every single time something like this pops up in LU it is always Dorian because he deals with the wrestling portion of the company.

So like when people thought LU were screwing over Fenix and Penta with the their names and then learned oh it was not LU it was Dorian on his bullshit samething here.

And it really sucks because people then people put the whole blame on LU...when no it is just Dorian

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That really sucks. Talent shouldn’t feel like they’re being held hostage. No bueno.

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Jan 15, 2019 18:46:38 GMT -5 Fade said:

That really sucks. Talent shouldn’t feel like they’re being held hostage. No bueno.

But the thing is they aren't.

We know they are allowed to work anywhere because the talents are working anywhere they want when LU is not taping and as there is no season 5 right now there should be no issues.

So this story isn't making sense...unless it goes back to my initial assumption that this is about the no-compete which than is just Ive bitching because LU are under no obligation to break that.

[MolotovMocktail]

Shame, this is my favorite company right now from a storytelling standpoint. They have a lot of ECW’s old charm. But unfortunately they also seem to have Heyman’s business practices too.

[Mozenrath]

I would like LU more if we didn't get shit like this happening, where people are f***ed because of the long, ponderous wait between seasons, the same stuff that got Ricochet to walk.

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Jan 15, 2019 19:48:33 GMT -5 Mozenrath said:

I would like LU more if we didn't get shit like this happening, where people are f***ed because of the long, ponderous wait between seasons, the same stuff that got Ricochet to walk.

The thing is that should not be an issue at all.

Cobb
Strickland
Bael
Jack
Angelico

All got their releases no problem......so how is Ive having any sort of an issue

It makes no sense outside of her throwing a fit about a no-compete which she would wait out to sign with the E....because if it is anywhere else again no issue and I point to Cobb as a prime example he was working ROH before he was officially announced as signed to ROH...so not like she can't because again Cobb is proof.

Or Dorian is f***ing with her for some reason and I got no idea why he would have a personal issue with her

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But then again Ive is s notorious headcase...Jack left LU because of her.

so idk

[MolotovMocktail]

Jan 15, 2019 19:57:46 GMT -5 @sigmax said:

Jan 15, 2019 19:48:33 GMT -5 Mozenrath said:

I would like LU more if we didn't get shit like this happening, where people are f***ed because of the long, ponderous wait between seasons, the same stuff that got Ricochet to walk.

The thing is that should not be an issue at all.

Cobb
Strickland
Bael
Jack
Angelico

All got their releases no problem......so how is Ive having any sort of an issue

It makes no sense outside of her throwing a fit about a no-compete which she would wait out to sign with the E....because if it is anywhere else again no issue and I point to Cobb as a prime example he was working ROH before he was officially announced as signed to ROH...so not like she can't because again Cobb is proof.

Or Dorian is f***ing with her for some reason and I got no idea why he would have a personal issue with her

The fact that that many people wanted releases is a red flag in and of itself.

I saw Cobb at a convention this last summer, and he did NOT want to talk about LU. He didn’t have anything negative about them, but rolled his eyes, and just said that they promise a lot of things.

[Mozenrath]

Jan 15, 2019 20:06:11 GMT -5 MolotovMocktail said:

Jan 15, 2019 19:57:46 GMT -5 @sigmax said:

The thing is that should not be an issue at all.

Cobb
Strickland
Bael
Jack
Angelico

All got their releases no problem......so how is Ive having any sort of an issue

It makes no sense outside of her throwing a fit about a no-compete which she would wait out to sign with the E....because if it is anywhere else again no issue and I point to Cobb as a prime example he was working ROH before he was officially announced as signed to ROH...so not like she can't because again Cobb is proof.

Or Dorian is f***ing with her for some reason and I got no idea why he would have a personal issue with her

The fact that that many people wanted releases is a red flag in and of itself.

I saw Cobb at a convention this last summer, and he did NOT want to talk about LU. He didn’t have anything negative about them, but rolled his eyes, and just said that they promise a lot of things.

Shame he didn't have a good time. I really loved how he looked in the Matanza outfit.

I mean, granted, it probably was not fun to wrestle in, and a lot of why I loved it was he just looks like Rick from Splatterhouse, but still.

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Jan 15, 2019 20:06:11 GMT -5 MolotovMocktail said:

Jan 15, 2019 19:57:46 GMT -5 @sigmax said:

The thing is that should not be an issue at all.

Cobb
Strickland
Bael
Jack
Angelico

All got their releases no problem......so how is Ive having any sort of an issue

It makes no sense outside of her throwing a fit about a no-compete which she would wait out to sign with the E....because if it is anywhere else again no issue and I point to Cobb as a prime example he was working ROH before he was officially announced as signed to ROH...so not like she can't because again Cobb is proof.

Or Dorian is f***ing with her for some reason and I got no idea why he would have a personal issue with her

The fact that that many people wanted releases is a red flag in and of itself.

I saw Cobb at a convention this last summer, and he did NOT want to talk about LU. He didn’t have anything negative about them, but rolled his eyes, and just said that they promise a lot of things.

I believe it and all those promises more than likely come from Dorian and not the actual good people within the company.

EVW runs the TV side of things ...he does not deal with the wrestlers contracts or anything like that

Chris Dejoseph and Chris Roach - Head up creative and again do not deal with talent contracts or anything like that

And then u got El Rey ...there is no season untill El Rey green lights it which is the cause for the months waiting for new seasons to be green lit

Everyone has called for Dorian to be finished with...but here lies the issue....Dorian has investors that have money in LU and also cutting him off would more than likely severe the ties to the AAA talent.

El Rey has the current broadcasting rights to LU....if MGM had them LU would be on epix and more than likely in production on season 5 already since MGM loves the show

[OVO 40 hunched over like he 80]

Jan 15, 2019 18:39:47 GMT -5 @sigmax said:

I initially thought it was a possible no-compete clause but after Joey Ryan chimed in I am damn sure like it always is that this is completely on Dorian.

Every single time something like this pops up in LU it is always Dorian because he deals with the wrestling portion of the company.

So like when people thought LU were screwing over Fenix and Penta with the their names and then learned oh it was not LU it was Dorian on his bullshit samething here.

And it really sucks because people then people put the whole blame on LU...when no it is just Dorian

Dorian Roldán from AAA?

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Jan 15, 2019 20:18:21 GMT -5 OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 said:

Jan 15, 2019 18:39:47 GMT -5 @sigmax said:

I initially thought it was a possible no-compete clause but after Joey Ryan chimed in I am damn sure like it always is that this is completely on Dorian.

Every single time something like this pops up in LU it is always Dorian because he deals with the wrestling portion of the company.

So like when people thought LU were screwing over Fenix and Penta with the their names and then learned oh it was not LU it was Dorian on his bullshit samething here.

And it really sucks because people then people put the whole blame on LU...when no it is just Dorian

Dorian Roldán from AAA?

Yes

[OVO 40 hunched over like he 80]

Jan 15, 2019 20:19:21 GMT -5 @sigmax said:

Jan 15, 2019 20:18:21 GMT -5 OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 said:

Dorian Roldán from AAA?

Yes

Not surprised, the whole Roldán family are nothing but scumbags. You won’t find many people saying nice things about them. In fact I’m certain wrestlers were happy when the patriarch Joaquin Roldán croaked.

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Jan 15, 2019 20:54:42 GMT -5 OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 said:

Jan 15, 2019 20:19:21 GMT -5 @sigmax said:

Yes

Not surprised, the whole Roldán family are nothing but scumbags. You won’t find many people saying nice things about them. In fact I’m certain wrestlers were happy when the patriarch Joaquin Roldán croaked.

It is unfortunate because he is the preverbial noose around LU's neck because as I said severing ties with him would cut LU off from AAA talent.

And as he is in charge of the wrestling portion of the company..it is largely why touring even once a month never happened and why merch took forever to finally arrive.

Largely no one complains about the TV end because the people in charge of that know what they are doing and love the product and want to see it grow to its full potential....the wrestling side is a mess because the guy in charge of it is a notorious piece of shit

[rnrk supports BLM]

www.prowrestlingsheet.com/ivelisse-lucha-underground-hostage/

The show’s Executive Producer Eric Van Wagenen tells Pro Wrestling Sheet, “None of the producers, executives, or lawyers at MGM make those decisions. All contracts are controlled by the LLC – currently run by Dorian Roldan and John Fogelman.”

Well that sucks all around. There've been so many different, contradictory stories out about how the LU contracts work ever since the show started that it's hard to parse what is or isn't accurate, but it's hard to argue at this point that their terms aren't a really bad fit for the indie wrestling scene.

[Crappler El 0 M]

Does any major player want her? I mean, I'm sure MLW and Impact could have been using her this whole time. I only ever see her in Shine.

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Jan 15, 2019 21:25:25 GMT -5 rnrk supports BLM said:

www.prowrestlingsheet.com/ivelisse-lucha-underground-hostage/

The show’s Executive Producer Eric Van Wagenen tells Pro Wrestling Sheet, “None of the producers, executives, or lawyers at MGM make those decisions. All contracts are controlled by the LLC – currently run by Dorian Roldan and John Fogelman.”

Well that sucks all around. There've been so many different, contradictory stories out about how the LU contracts work ever since the show started that it's hard to parse what is or isn't accurate, but it's hard to argue at this point that their terms aren't a really bad fit for the indie wrestling scene.

The noose around LU's neck as I said...Dorian is at the centre of every single bad thing that comes out of LU.

He tried multiple times to f*** with Fenix and Penta and people blamed it on LU

I forget the complete details of something in like late 2016 early 2017 but I think it might have been with a japanese company where he tried to stop might have been Penta and Fenix again from working a company only for people to blame LU once again ..only to learn it was Dorian yet again who was telling bullshit to a company to get them not booked over there might have been Noah and MGM who never intervenes in LU had to step in and clear that shit because Dorian put the blame on them.

I really wish LU could finally dump Dorian but they need the AAA talent.

[Captain Stud Muffin (BLM)]

This seems to be a thing with LU

It may not be them directly BUT they have to clean that because this seems to happen when talent are ready to go

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Jan 15, 2019 21:43:51 GMT -5 Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) said:

This seems to be a thing with LU

It may not be them directly BUT they have to clean that because this seems to happen when talent are ready to go

That is not them though like posted above this is the LLC there is nothing someone like EVW who is all for making the talent as happy as possible can do sadly.

And Dorian is their key to the AAA talent pool

John Fogleman is the guy that can probably make the biggest change and that is somehow idk how but get Dorian out of whatever power he may have in the LLC