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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Jan 30, 2019 11:00:16 GMT -5
You know Taz had to retire because of his neck right? that’s why he couldn’t do the same performances that he became famous for in ecw. I don’t know if Awesome would’ve been exposed or not, but his potential wwe run would’ve been a million times better than Vince Russo giving him career killing gimmicks. Neck injuries didn't make him a short orange guy who was never particularly great on the mic or in the ring without being heavily protected by booking. In the WWF, injuries or no, he was never going to be anything but a midcard act, they weren't ever going to let him toss Austin or Taker around, or book him to crush all comers like a pocket Goldberg. Awesome, likewise, wouldn't have been protected, and most likely he would have fallen foul of guys like Taker backstage, just like he did during his actual WWF run. Also, the WWF's booking didn't improve massively when Russo left, the crap they piled on Mark Henry, Katie Vick, Eddie Guerrero and Jericho being used to put Chyna over and so on and so forth.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Jan 30, 2019 11:06:18 GMT -5
You know Taz had to retire because of his neck right? that’s why he couldn’t do the same performances that he became famous for in ecw. I don’t know if Awesome would’ve been exposed or not, but his potential wwe run would’ve been a million times better than Vince Russo giving him career killing gimmicks. Neck injuries didn't make him a short orange guy who was never particularly great on the mic or in the ring without being heavily protected by booking. In the WWF, injuries or no, he was never going to be anything but a midcard act, they weren't ever going to let him toss Austin or Taker around, or book him to crush all comers like a pocket Goldberg. Awesome, likewise, wouldn't have been protected, and most likely he would have fallen foul of guys like Taker backstage, just like he did during his actual WWF run. Also, the WWF's booking didn't improve massively when Russo left, the crap they piled on Mark Henry, Katie Vick, Eddie Guerrero and Jericho being used to put Chyna over and so on and so forth. If he was healthy, Taz would’ve had better performances. Taz also couldn’t work out that hard anymore because of the neck issues. Those gimmicks were a lot better than what Awesome got.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Jan 30, 2019 11:13:11 GMT -5
Neck injuries didn't make him a short orange guy who was never particularly great on the mic or in the ring without being heavily protected by booking. In the WWF, injuries or no, he was never going to be anything but a midcard act, they weren't ever going to let him toss Austin or Taker around, or book him to crush all comers like a pocket Goldberg. Awesome, likewise, wouldn't have been protected, and most likely he would have fallen foul of guys like Taker backstage, just like he did during his actual WWF run. Also, the WWF's booking didn't improve massively when Russo left, the crap they piled on Mark Henry, Katie Vick, Eddie Guerrero and Jericho being used to put Chyna over and so on and so forth. If he was healthy, Taz would’ve had better performances. Taz also couldn’t work out that hard anymore because of the neck issues. Those gimmicks were a lot better than what Awesome got. Better is not great, the WWF had talent just as good who had better looks. Mark Henry humped pensioners and was a father to a hand, so no, no it really wasn't, not even close. Fat Chick Thriller wasn't a great gimmick, but it wasn't a career killer, looking average next to the power plant trainees did him more harm in the long run. The Fat Chick thriller gimmick was no worse than Eddie pretending that Chyna was super attractive.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Jan 30, 2019 11:19:34 GMT -5
If he was healthy, Taz would’ve had better performances. Taz also couldn’t work out that hard anymore because of the neck issues. Those gimmicks were a lot better than what Awesome got. Better is not great, the WWF had talent just as good who had better looks. Mark Henry humped pensioners and was a father to a hand, so no, no it really wasn't, not even close. Fat Chick Thriller wasn't a great gimmick, but it wasn't a career killer, looking average next to the power plant trainees did him more harm in the long run. The Fat Chick thriller gimmick was no worse than Eddie pretending that Chyna was super attractive. Mark Henry still had a future after the Sexual Chocolate character happened. Mike Awesome’s career died after Russo came up with the fat chick thriller, to the point that Mike became a realtor and retired from wrestling. The fact that millions and millions of people bought her playboy issue, totally disputes your argument of Chyna not being attractive.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Jan 30, 2019 16:42:11 GMT -5
Better is not great, the WWF had talent just as good who had better looks. Mark Henry humped pensioners and was a father to a hand, so no, no it really wasn't, not even close. Fat Chick Thriller wasn't a great gimmick, but it wasn't a career killer, looking average next to the power plant trainees did him more harm in the long run. The Fat Chick thriller gimmick was no worse than Eddie pretending that Chyna was super attractive. Mark Henry still had a future after the Sexual Chocolate character happened. Mike Awesome’s career died after Russo came up with the fat chick thriller, to the point that Mike became a realtor and retired from wrestling. The fact that millions and millions of people bought her playboy issue, totally disputes your argument of Chyna not being attractive. Mark Henry has a looong contract that the WWE couldn't break, nor could they get him to quit despite their efforts, so they had to keep trying with him. Mike Awesome dropped that gimmick in WCW well before it folded and had a WWE run, again, without that gimmick, and they did nothing with him because he wasn't that good when he can't throw people around and he managed piss people like Undertaker off backstage, which had nothing to do with having a bad gimmick for a couple of months in WCW. Chyna wasn't ugly, but mooning after her was not a good use of a talent like Eddie.
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Post by mrtumoursmisery on Jan 31, 2019 0:49:38 GMT -5
You can count the guys who did well when left to their own devices outside of ECW on one hand. I'll say RVD, Raven, Lance Storm and Jerry Lynn were literally the only ECW originals who ever did well anywhere else... The Dudleys.
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Post by karl100589 on Jan 31, 2019 1:04:00 GMT -5
If he was healthy, Taz would’ve had better performances. Taz also couldn’t work out that hard anymore because of the neck issues. Those gimmicks were a lot better than what Awesome got. Better is not great, the WWF had talent just as good who had better looks. Mark Henry humped pensioners and was a father to a hand, so no, no it really wasn't, not even close. Fat Chick Thriller wasn't a great gimmick, but it wasn't a career killer, looking average next to the power plant trainees did him more harm in the long run. The Fat Chick thriller gimmick was no worse than Eddie pretending that Chyna was super attractive.I beg your pardon: ![](https://i.pinimg.com/originals/17/98/60/17986033c307bbccf1cbd7e97b8f6cc8.jpg)
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Post by Slingshot Suplay on Jan 31, 2019 1:57:23 GMT -5
Sting. Finally goes to WWE after being the lone wcw holdout, and suffers a career ending injury.
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Post by KobashiChop on Jan 31, 2019 8:30:47 GMT -5
Sting. Finally goes to WWE after being the lone wcw holdout, and suffers a career ending injury. Which was a damn shame because that match was way better than it should have been.
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Jan 31, 2019 9:15:36 GMT -5
You can count the guys who did well when left to their own devices outside of ECW on one hand. I'll say RVD, Raven, Lance Storm and Jerry Lynn were literally the only ECW originals who ever did well anywhere else... The Dudleys. I feel ashamed to have forgotten them.
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Post by realist on Jan 31, 2019 10:37:00 GMT -5
The Von Erich boys having Fritz as their father.
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Post by WoodStoner1 on Jan 31, 2019 11:48:32 GMT -5
Mike Awesome is like Tazz, he would have been exposed in any company where he isn't booked to crush all comers and can't throw people around with little regard for their health. He wasn't good on the mic, he wasn't a great wrestler, his look seemed better because he was bigger than most people in ECW, while in WCW or the WWE there were plenty of guys as big, with a better look who weren't beat up after working in FMW and ECW for years. You know Taz had to retire because of his neck right? that’s why he couldn’t do the same performances that he became famous for in ecw. I don’t know if Awesome would’ve been exposed or not, but his potential wwe run would’ve been a million times better than Vince Russo giving him career killing gimmicks. That and no one would bump for his suplexes, so he had to tone that aspect -- that, oh, was only his main trademark -- down. Also he got lost in the shuffle when four three guys who could fulfill the workrate quota better arrived. Public Enemy is still the rust-standard to what happens when ECW stars get called up to the then-big two, though. Awesome was no-win: got crap in WCW, got nothing in WWE. Not sure which was worse.
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Post by WoodStoner1 on Jan 31, 2019 11:49:26 GMT -5
Sting. Finally goes to WWE after being the lone wcw holdout, and suffers a career ending injury. Not to mention everything he feared happening to him after all.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Jan 31, 2019 22:11:00 GMT -5
With Awesome, from what guys in WCW at the time said he was a guy Eric wanted to sign, and Russo basically hated him because of being related to Hulk and because he was a Bischoff guy.
And Taz? Injuries derailed him yes, but he was always a guy who bought into his own hype and that got him a lot of heat.
Guys to consider here are also the mid 2000 OVW boys including the Spirit Squad, The Bashams, Brent Albright and even guys who didn't make the roster like Chet the Jet. Basically they were strung along for so long they ended up taking the first gimmick offered to them by the main roster just to get a shot... and by all accounts most guys were so miserable they ended up hating the business
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Post by Ultimo Gallos on Feb 1, 2019 2:35:31 GMT -5
You can count the guys who did well when left to their own devices outside of ECW on one hand. I'll say RVD, Raven, Lance Storm and Jerry Lynn were literally the only ECW originals who ever did well anywhere else... The Dudleys. Also Tajiri and Stevie richards. And do Lynn and Raven really count as ECW originals? If they count then so should Jericho,Guerrero,Benoit,Rey Jr and Dean Malenko.
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Post by mrtumoursmisery on Feb 1, 2019 3:45:23 GMT -5
Also Tajiri and Stevie richards. And do Lynn and Raven really count as ECW originals? If they count then so should Jericho,Guerrero,Benoit,Rey Jr and Dean Malenko. Rhino probably deserves a mention. And, if Raven and Jerry Lynn count as ECW originals, then Shane Douglas should be mentioned, too. I would argue that Taz found a fair bit of success as a commentator.
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Post by Prince Petty on Feb 1, 2019 8:31:11 GMT -5
"Mr. McMahon" was going to happen eventually, given Vince's heel work with Memphis being a sort of testbed for it, but it definitely provided the perfect launching point. It was the rare situation where it benefited the company to make the guy leaving look great, since it put so much heat on Vince, letting him fuel the character with it. It is not unlike how, along with taking advantage of the politic climate when he was champion, it actually benefited JBL for him to have such a poor reputation with smarks for his perceived bullying. (Some of which I think is overblown, but a lot of it, like the Meanie thing, is just indefensible) Yeah, they were already doing it a bit in the WWF, with Bret singling Vince out as the owner and decision-maker, and biased against Bret on top of that. It probably wouldn't have taken the same form, but everyone was already all-in on Steve Austin as an anti-authority top guy, and Bret as a corporate shill for the Mr. McMahon character could have been a natural evolution of his views about the Attitude Era. Who knows how it all would have shaken out, but I do agree that Bret still being in the WWE means Owen wouldn't have agreed to that stupid, unsafe stunt, and Davy wouldn't have gotten hurt on that stupid trapdoor gimmick.
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Feb 1, 2019 8:41:53 GMT -5
Also Tajiri and Stevie richards. And do Lynn and Raven really count as ECW originals? If they count then so should Jericho,Guerrero,Benoit,Rey Jr and Dean Malenko. Lynn and especially Raven do. Jericho etc. came in for a few months before going on to bigger things. Even though Lynn and Raven had careers previously, it was those runs people remember. Lynn's feud with RVD was amazing and moved his career to a new level, especially after the just terrible Mr JL gimmick in WCW. Raven the wrestler had a middling career before, that character was born in ECW and defined the rest of his career.
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