Why does everything seem... lame on the main roster?

[sportatorium]

For the same reason you might discover a band, musician, singer or rapper that you like. You might find them through their Bandcampmor something online. You see their shows in small venues and they are over the top great. It doesn’t take long to realizr that you aren’t the only one that likes them, and that feels even better. You were part of something amazing. Seeing this performer go from relatively unknown to rapid & massive growth. Then they hit the mainstream & they just aren’t the same at all & your interest fades.

Nobody is the bad guy in this scenario, WWE is mainstream wrestling. They won’t even call it wrestling. It’s slick, overproduced and mostly mediocre. Once in a while, something is great. You have to fight through a lot of lame to find it though.

[abjordans]

The “show about a wrestling show” format just doesn’t work anymore. It just makes a lot of people seem like crappy actors, instead of pro wrestlers.

[Nr1Humanoid]

WWE's problems begins and ends with Vince McMahon. There is a reason my Dad the same age had his finances taken over by a guardian.

[brooklynmets]

Feb 5, 2019 19:32:41 GMT -5 Feargus McReddit said:

Because everything goes through the filter of a 73 year old white male who has known money for 75% of his life who has no need right now to make things cool.

The End.

I get your post but what does white have to do with anything? White people more out of touch?

[Feargus McReddit]

Feb 6, 2019 16:48:55 GMT -5 brooklynmets said:

Feb 5, 2019 19:32:41 GMT -5 Feargus McReddit said:

Because everything goes through the filter of a 73 year old white male who has known money for 75% of his life who has no need right now to make things cool.

The End.

I get your post but what does white have to do with anything? White people more out of touch?

Ok, let me clarify;

Old Rich White Men are the most out of touch.

[brooklynmets]

Feb 6, 2019 16:51:16 GMT -5 Feargus McReddit said:

Feb 6, 2019 16:48:55 GMT -5 brooklynmets said:

I get your post but what does white have to do with anything? White people more out of touch?

Ok, let me clarify;

Old Rich White Men are the most out of touch.

oh ok I didn't know that since I dont know any personally. Thanks for the heads up.

[thegame415]

I'm for the idea the NXT is more of a niche brand, and doesn't reach the same wide spectrum that WWE does. So when guys like No Way Jose or the Revival come up, it might not translate.

[OVO 40 hunched over like he 80]

Because you have a psychopath micromanaging everything and re writing the show every five minutes.

The old man is the greatest wrestling promoter of all time but as a creative mind he’s the shits.

[A Platypus Rave is Correct]

Feb 5, 2019 20:37:21 GMT -5 Final Countdown Jones said:

Feb 5, 2019 19:58:20 GMT -5 Lance Uppercut said:

Smaller venue with more passionate crowd? The gimmick is played out by the time it hits the main roster? The gimmicks weren’t very good in NXT either?

But how can that apply to almost every gimmick passing through NXT? There may have been something to be said for one or two people coming up to a lack of connection or reaction, but we've seen time and again people get misused, derailed, f***ed with. Seen people whose strengths get ignored, who get unnecessary tweaks or just straight-up don't get anything to do for months at a time and end up cooled off when they actually get booked. We're enough years deep into this that the idea this super successful and well received developmental system churning out such a high failure rate somehow isn't on something being wrong with the main roster should be dead by now.

Also "smaller venue" doesn't work when NXT has consistently ran the same venues as the Main Roster for their Takeovers.

[michael]

I think that a lot of the NXT gimmicks mentioned were almost ironic, and the main roster presentation is not near subtle enough to present irony.

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Really I think even if you take the whole, "NXT is a different breed, what works in one can't work in the other," thing at face value - which I really, REALLY don't - it still says nothing but bad things about WWE. What's the point of developmental if it's apparently exclusively producing things that can't work on the actual shows?

[mcstoklasa]

Feb 5, 2019 19:35:57 GMT -5 Sir Woodrow said:

Because Vince is an old fart that sucks, that's why

This is such a childish and stupid description but it made me laugh out loud at how accurate it is so well done

[mcstoklasa]

Feb 5, 2019 19:42:25 GMT -5 Fade said:

Feb 5, 2019 19:39:03 GMT -5 Perd said:

I think a big reason is presentation. Everything is just so stale and homogenized. And the announces teams are horrible and make everything seem more lame than it actually is. Booking is obviously a huge problem, but anything presented in WWE’s current aesthetic, just feels sluggish.

Yeah, a lot of it is the encompassing aesthetic of the product.

This. It’s just lame. I hate the brightness of the arena. And the commentary. Obviously.

[mcstoklasa]

Feb 5, 2019 21:03:12 GMT -5 Lizuka #BLM said:

I think the biggest part of it is the presentation. Raw and SmackDown just feel so homogenized and lifeless. It's down to a basic presentation level, the giant LED screens and stuff are in theory impressive and all but when you combine them with the robotic announcers, the constant buzzwords, the dry format, the predictable show structure, and the constant repetition, it just makes the entire thing feel like a soulless corporate product.

This this this this this this x 10000

Imagine 98 Steve Austin walking out in current day and hearing “OHHHHHH MYYY. STONE COLD STEVE AUSTIN (jbl reads our accolades off Wikipedia) is coming for his WWE WORLD HEAVYWEIGht championship opportunity.

[Chuck Conry]

The whole product needs an overhaul. New logos, new ring colors, new set, new announcer teams, new people running the shows ect.

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Feb 6, 2019 16:51:16 GMT -5 Feargus McReddit said:

Feb 6, 2019 16:48:55 GMT -5 brooklynmets said:

I get your post but what does white have to do with anything? White people more out of touch?

Ok, let me clarify;

Old Rich White Men are the most out of touch.

With Vince it’s more “old racist, misogynistic, white man”.

And of the words in that description, only old is the offensive one since you can be in your 70’s and still be smart enough to hire the right people. Wrestling just happens to be cronyism at its finest and that hasn’t changed.

[Deleted]

Wrestling as a whole needs to evolve and WWE is the definition of the world passing a company by.

TV shows have grown to have stronger story telling , stronger characters......where as wrestling just tells the same static stories with the same trope of characters with the same boring patterns that every wrestling fan has memorized and can call with their eyes closed.

The presentation like said is the same...overly produced , same static camera angles they have been using for decades.

[benstudd]

I thought about this and sure Vince is old and out of touch but this could be said that he always was out of touch. It's not so much that the product seems old with out of the touch gimmicks like they would do under Gagne's AWA, I don't think any young people looking at the WWE right now would feel disconnected, it feels current. No what I see is that it's very cold and corporate and lifeless. Vince never seemed like a wrestling type of guy yet on his shows nowadays you see a lot of long matches, matches where you can see a lot of good athletism but who have limited psychology and who most of the time feel too long and repetitive. I'm not sure who wants that backstage, I don't see it as a Vince thing in particular.

Finn Balor is what represents the most this new type of WWE where they gave him this great song cause that is what they do best but then let him go in there and give him limited character developement, the storylines are not that interesting. So it is like they basically let him go there to fill the air. Same as Roode who is basically an entrance guy. They give most of people nothing to work with. Nothing of worth ever happens with anybody. There is no life. Nobody ever gets over when they come here cause they don't bother. Sometime I think this is exactly what Vince wants, something safe not particularly interesting but it feels all the "Ts" and "Os" about what he wants the mainstream to see his product as. This is why he picked Cena back in the day too, the perfect nice, safe corporate wrestler. (yet I would take US champ weekly defense Cena over anything and anybody we have now)

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Feb 7, 2019 1:04:06 GMT -5 benstudd said:

I don't think any young people looking at the WWE right now would feel disconnected, it feels current.

I really wouldn't agree with that assessment at all to be honest - it feels like a relic.

In terms of the production, sure, it's all technically very up to date - although very dry and at times incredibly unprofessional - but in terms of the kind of television show they're putting on, it's 100% out of step with modern sensibilities. There's been a major shift in recent years, even among kids' shows, toward a much greater emphasis on continuity and ongoing stories, with more in the way of deeper characterization and foundations for future events.

WWE meanwhile you've still got people who'll just go and flip the switch from, "I smile because I like you guys!" to, "Rrgh, you people never supported me even though you're cheering for me right this second!" like it means nothing and you have complete, 100% disregards for basic continuity and logic with shit like Rusev and Nakamura now being buddies with Lana cheering them on after Nakamura injured her not even two weeks ago, and when you do go for more complex storylines you get stuff like the convoluted, going in circles nonsense that has been the Ciampa / Gargano story that seems like it's never going to end. Even at 6 AM on a Sunday these shows' writing would come off as complete amateur hour and yet we're coming off them being deluded enough to try pushing for an Emmy last year.

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Feb 7, 2019 0:07:16 GMT -5 Chuck Conry said:

The whole product needs an overhaul. New logos, new ring colors, new set, new announcer teams, new people running the shows ect.

I agree, but all that means nothing without better writing too.