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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Feb 10, 2019 7:07:01 GMT -5
... I'm not even sure where to start with this one. This is literally the job of every manager in every place ever. You've said your piece, now find other threads. Don't post in this one again. I would say it is a little different. Henry nob is not how behave to do their jobs but how to behave as a person. That can rub people the wrong way But behaving themselves is a part of their job, and generally it's a part of all jobs. If you left your trash all over the place all the time, had arguments about disrespecting someone's wife etc. your boss would have a word with you.
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Post by Dub H on Feb 10, 2019 7:08:17 GMT -5
I would say it is a little different. Henry nob is not how behave to do their jobs but how to behave as a person. That can rub people the wrong way Not really. A manager is there - among other reasons - to make sure you're not telling customers to go f*** themselves after handing them their Happy Meal. One of the MAJOR reasons a manager position exists is to make sure everyone under them keeps to the behavioral standards of the company while on company time. But it doesnt sound like a job where he is a manager that behaviors company time,by his own words its something that involves people having beef in the back,being more of a locker room leader,as position usually filled naturally and not corporately.Admitelly the people being late is an important issue to solve but i'm not sure how Henry is supposed to solve that in that position. I could just be exagerating with the idea that he will be involved even in the non-job stuff, but it sounded like that for me.
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Post by nisidhe on Feb 10, 2019 7:23:28 GMT -5
No. No. No. No. No. Hell no.
If memory serves, most of the trash took itself out over the course of several months last year. WWE is a big and ugly enough company (publicly-traded, no less) to have set a Code of Conduct for its independent contractors and clear expectations for what happens if it is breached. It _is_ a management issue if Vince doesn't want the talent showing up late but they do, or if they need the wrestlers to keep their areas in the arenas tidy and someone keeps making a mess. It is carny BS to set expectations which cannot be formally enforced nor for which the consequences for breaches are clear. It's like T.G.I.Fridays requiring flair on their employees' vests
I get that there is an informal "code" that pro wrestlers have followed for decades. I get that there are traditions that have historically protected the craft and maintained good relations among wrestlers and between wrestlers and employees. However, enforcing them in the historic way creates a toxic environment within the locker room and a PR nightmare if the more egregious enforcements were to reach the ears of the public.
If there are breaches of etiquette, then it is up to WWE to set a corporate Code of Conduct for its independent contractors - one which applies to _all_ contractors and which clearly sets out the company's expectations and how they intend to enforce them. Include it in every WWE contract from Lesnar on down. If it can't apply to Lesnar, it can't really apply to anyone, and thus cannot be enforced. With AEW waiting in the wings and motivating WWE's talent to demand better treatment and conditions, the return of locker room enforcement beyond what's formally in place seems a step backwards to me.
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Post by Joe Neglia on Feb 10, 2019 7:25:22 GMT -5
Not really. A manager is there - among other reasons - to make sure you're not telling customers to go f*** themselves after handing them their Happy Meal. One of the MAJOR reasons a manager position exists is to make sure everyone under them keeps to the behavioral standards of the company while on company time. But it doesnt sound like a job where he is a manager that behaviors company time,by his own words its something that involves people having beef in the back,being more of a locker room leader,as position usually filled naturally and not corporately.Admitelly the people being late is an important issue to solve but i'm not sure how Henry is supposed to solve that in that position. I could just be exagerating with the idea that he will be involved even in the non-job stuff, but it sounded like that for me. You're absolutely exaggerating.
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Post by Joe Neglia on Feb 10, 2019 7:26:57 GMT -5
I would say it is a little different. Henry nob is not how behave to do their jobs but how to behave as a person. That can rub people the wrong way But behaving themselves is a part of their job, and generally it's a part of all jobs. If you left your trash all over the place all the time, had arguments about disrespecting someone's wife etc. your boss would have a word with you. You haven't worked some of the places I have, then.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Feb 10, 2019 7:30:18 GMT -5
No. No. No. No. No. Hell no. If memory serves, most of the trash took itself out over the course of several months last year. WWE is a big and ugly enough company (publicly-traded, no less) to have set a Code of Conduct for its independent contractors and clear expectations for what happens if it is breached. It _is_ a management issue if Vince doesn't want the talent showing up late but they do, or if they need the wrestlers to keep their areas in the arenas tidy and someone keeps making a mess. It is carny BS to set expectations which cannot be formally enforced nor for which the consequences for breaches are clear. It's like T.G.I.Fridays requiring flair on their employees' vests I get that there is an informal "code" that pro wrestlers have followed for decades. I get that there are traditions that have historically protected the craft and maintained good relations among wrestlers and between wrestlers and employees. However, enforcing them in the historic way creates a toxic environment within the locker room and a PR nightmare if the more egregious enforcements were to reach the ears of the public. If there are breaches of etiquette, then it is up to WWE to set a corporate Code of Conduct for its independent contractors - one which applies to _all_ contractors and which clearly sets out the company's expectations and how they intend to enforce them. Include it in every WWE contract from Lesnar on down. If it can't apply to Lesnar, it can't really apply to anyone, and thus cannot be enforced. With AEW waiting in the wings and motivating WWE's talent to demand better treatment and conditions, the return of locker room enforcement beyond what's formally in place seems a step backwards to me. So people are going to jump to AEW because they don't want to clean up their own area in the locker room?
I really don't get some of these responses and the reasoning behind them. The WWE has a dress code, if the wrestlers can follow that, they can surely clean up behind themselves and act accordingly
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Feb 10, 2019 8:18:11 GMT -5
The fact that you need a 400 lb. powerhouse to scare people into picking up their own shit is ridiculous.
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Post by Joe Neglia on Feb 10, 2019 8:24:19 GMT -5
The fact that you need a 400 lb. powerhouse to scare people into picking up their own shit is ridiculous. Let's take his physical appearance out of this. Let's look at it as how it stands from other standpoints. Henry is a well-seasoned, well-respected vet who has a reputation for being pretty straight-laced and not being toxic. He's at the end of his active career and the company wants to find a place for him. They feel they have some backstage issues that could warrant its own supervisor and that would be a good place to put said well-respected vet who wouldn't feel intimidated by roster members but wouldn't terrorize them either. I'm just really not seeing the issue to all of this.
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Post by PTBartman on Feb 10, 2019 9:34:41 GMT -5
I Don't get the Big deal on this, it sounds like Mark is gonna be like Crash Davis in Bull Durham.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2019 9:45:49 GMT -5
It's pretty sad to think that there is no current locker room leader.
And that "Roman was getting there" comment is almost as sad, considering it seems like this sloppy morale probably picked up after he left with his diagnosis (so he WAS already there).
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Feb 10, 2019 10:03:20 GMT -5
The fact that you need a 400 lb. powerhouse to scare people into picking up their own shit is ridiculous. Let's take his physical appearance out of this. Let's look at it as how it stands from other standpoints. Henry is a well-seasoned, well-respected vet who has a reputation for being pretty straight-laced and not being toxic. He's at the end of his active career and the company wants to find a place for him. They feel they have some backstage issues that could warrant its own supervisor and that would be a good place to put said well-respected vet who wouldn't feel intimidated by roster members but wouldn't terrorize them either. I'm just really not seeing the issue to all of this. I don't think there's an issue with his role, the issue is that it's necessary.
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Post by Ronny Rayguns Is All Elite on Feb 10, 2019 10:24:05 GMT -5
I'm sorry but i've spent the day laughing to myself at the idea that Mark Henry has taken it upon himself to walk around asking people to pick up garbage Mark Henry with a Captain Planet gimmick = MONEY
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Post by 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger on Feb 10, 2019 10:39:04 GMT -5
If we think that being told to not leave trash or bring up petty personal shit in the work place is tyranny then we’re a really lucky bunch.
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Post by mattperiolat on Feb 10, 2019 10:39:22 GMT -5
This very much sounds like a Raw issue. I’m sure on the Smackdown side Bryan, Orton, AJ and Mystrerio are the leaders and really don’t have to do too much to keep the backstage running fine. Raw on the other hand has Rollins and..... Ziggler who may or may not care.... Ambrose who’s leaving.... I’m actually a bit surprised Miz isn’t either being looked at as a leader or is starting to step up into the role. He’s been around for a long time and he’s seen it from both sides. Would certainly consider it. In any case, great if this helps stop problems before it gets out of hand, better still that it keeps Henry involved with the product. Amazing that the guy who started out not able to keep a straight face on live mic at SummerSlam 96 has become the enforcer and respected big cheese backstage. After all, that’s what he do.
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Post by mattperiolat on Feb 10, 2019 10:40:25 GMT -5
Can you imagine Mark Henry being pissed at you? That shit would be terrifying, especially because he's generally one of the nicest dudes around. He’s a teddy bear. But he’s still a f***ing bear. How a friend of mine put it and I have oceans of respect for the guy.
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Post by Dub H on Feb 10, 2019 11:06:02 GMT -5
This very much sounds like a Raw issue. I’m sure on the Smackdown side Bryan, Orton, AJ and Mystrerio are the leaders and really don’t have to do too much to keep the backstage running fine. Raw on the other hand has Rollins and..... Ziggler who may or may not care.... Ambrose who’s leaving.... I’m actually a bit surprised Miz isn’t either being looked at as a leader or is starting to step up into the role. He’s been around for a long time and he’s seen it from both sides. Would certainly consider it. In any case, great if this helps stop problems before it gets out of hand, better still that it keeps Henry involved with the product. Amazing that the guy who started out not able to keep a straight face on live mic at SummerSlam 96 has become the enforcer and respected big cheese backstage. After all, that’s what he do. I think there is a personality needed to be a locker room leader. Miz probably just doesnt fit there. has there been Locker Room leaders that are not big stars? It probably comes from the fact you have some clout with management and that you are an always relevant figure in WWE.
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Post by jivesoulbrah on Feb 10, 2019 11:13:26 GMT -5
Harley Race was hired to do the same thing in other wrestling organizations, apparently he did a damn good job at it too.
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Post by captainhindsite on Feb 10, 2019 11:35:15 GMT -5
Somebody gonna clean shit Somebody ain't takin shit Pick it up pick it up.
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Post by Joe Neglia on Feb 10, 2019 13:50:09 GMT -5
Let's take his physical appearance out of this. Let's look at it as how it stands from other standpoints. Henry is a well-seasoned, well-respected vet who has a reputation for being pretty straight-laced and not being toxic. He's at the end of his active career and the company wants to find a place for him. They feel they have some backstage issues that could warrant its own supervisor and that would be a good place to put said well-respected vet who wouldn't feel intimidated by roster members but wouldn't terrorize them either. I'm just really not seeing the issue to all of this. I don't think there's an issue with his role, the issue is that it's necessary. If it's not necessary, then they created a spot for a long-term employee to stick around, keep getting paid and not have to do too terribly much to earn his keep. Again, I don't get the bizarre anger and paranoia stemming from this.
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Post by "Trickster Dogg" James Jesse on Feb 10, 2019 14:01:43 GMT -5
Can you imagine Mark Henry being pissed at you? That shit would be terrifying, especially because he's generally one of the nicest dudes around. He’s a teddy bear. But he’s still a f***ing bear. How a friend of mine put it and I have oceans of respect for the guy. Mark Henry is only scary until you realize that if you run just slightly faster than him, he'll never catch you.
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